I wouldn't do it for the sake of being able to obtain value with each pick. The Browns could spend any of their later picks (meaning any other than #1) on a tackle who can play the blind side and be a competent successor to HOFer Joe Thomas. I expect Brian O'Neill to challenge for being the draft's best tackle - he may end up a top ten pick, so picking him at #11 might be great value in the end. There's also the fact that the Browns really need help at WR which is also not a position that should even be considered in the top 5 next year. However, if I did, I think I'd still pick Baker Mayfield and Saquon Barkley. I'd also sign Tre Boston and Mason Foster as free agents. However, I'd also try to lock up the best free agent QB I could get, up to and including Kirk Cousins. The Browns can't keep throwing rookie QBs into the sea like this and expect them to swim.
I would not do it....now if I can get a young vet like a OBJ(if healthy) for picks #33 and 42 and get L. Bell(sign extension) for #11...Im all in...Im willing to roll the dice for proven stars that are still in their prime
That is a bargain trade if there was someone I wanted. That being said it would normally be for a QB and already having #1 makes a move up like that pretty moot. And why all this talk about giving up value the picks? You have given up for value continuously only to give other teams the real bargain. That trade would be very good value. Anyways this is a hypothetical. I would zero in and take my top QB and Saquon Barkley. Itdoesn't matter who it is right now. Just get "your QB" in there and not the "best value" and then pair him up with a true #1 RB. Yes there are a lot of holes but fill a few key holes properly.
Much depends on Coleman and Gordon. If we can't keep them on the field, I'd be leaning toward WR over RB....You can find quality at RB after rounds 1 and 2. Much more difficult with WR...Of course, all of this comes after QB. If we can't land Cousins, I have a crazy feeling that the analytics are going to indicate that we go all in on a QB very early in the draft this time...Just a hunch. If I had to make a call right now, gut feeling; Mayfield and probably Ridley. But that's 100% because it's hard to trust Josh Gordon. Even if he plays well down the stretch, it's going to be very hard to trust him.
Honestly too early to answer this. If I determined there was one name that was just so clearly above everyone else in this draft, then yes, I wouldn't hesitate to make that trade, even though I don't think those (3) picks get you to #2 overall. I know the chart gets you close to 2nd, but with the QB needy league, there will be teams crawling over each other to take one at #2 and a couple of second rounders, won't get it done moving down 10 spots, with other teams offering future first rounders. Until I start laying out my draft board, I would say At This Time I would not be inclined to do it though. Based solely on value, I don't see a sure fire QB in this class. For that reason, it could take the other (3) picks to give me a higher percentage value of finding a top talent in the draft to help the team, since I think #1 will be a QB, rather than taking 3 picks and parlaying it into a one shot chance at getting the top non-QB on the board. Right now, I don't have a clear #1, top 5 OR top 10. The clear top choices aren't known. I could easily find 20 like rated players...if that's the case then trading up will not be an option for me.. I do expect there to be a more clear pecking order, but right now I don't have one.
Hypothetical - If you could trade the current picks of #11, #33 and #42 overall to move up to #2 and possess the top two picks in the draft, would you do it? What would your selections be? I wouldn't make that trade. What I WOULD do is call Seattle and see what it would take to pry Russell Wilson from them. Their team is aging and they have a lot of holes to fill. I would do the Houston pick, our next years first, a pair of 2nd rd picks and a 3. Why not? It would solve the QB problem.
#11 - 1,250 #33 - 580 #42 - 480 TOTAL: 2,310 #2 - 2,600 So someone's giving us a heck of a discount (roughly equivalent to a late second rounder) to move up and own back-to-back picks. The only way someone makes this is if you identify Josh Rosen as the premier QB in his class (I have some doubts) AND want to take a blue chip non-QB like Saquon Barkley. Even the other blue chip player at a non-QB spot (Minkah Fitzpatrick) would be really hard-pressed to go Top 3 picks if Jamal Adams was #6 and Malik Hooker #13. It's definitely a question of opportunity cost. For example, #33 and #42 are worth 1,060 by themselves. That's equivalent to #15 overall. I would much rather stay at #11 and trade those, drafting at #1, #11, and #15 since you spun two second rounders into a Round 1, Day 1 starter (or potential franchise QB if you take a guy like Baker Mayfield there). #1 - Saquon Barkley, RB Penn State #11 - Calvin Ridley, WR Alabama #15 - Baker Mayfield, QB Oklahoma #64 - Joshua Jackson, CB Iowa #65 - Cameron Smith, LB Southern California You've added two Day 1 starters (Barkley, Ridley) who immediately also upgrade their position groups. You add a developmental, potential franchise QB in Mayfield who can sit behind whomever is pursued and signed in free agency. You add two rotational players with starter potential (Jackson, Smith) and you've only surrendered one pick to do this. Keeping in mind they also cannot continue to start and rely on contributions from rookies extensively.
Browns Mock Draft | Week 11 Update As this season continues to careen out of control and we head dangerously near to 1-31, wholesale organizational changes have to be made... right? A lot of the rumblings I've seen/heard/read recently involve Hue Jackson making the push and inroads with the Haslams right now. An absolutely worst-case scenario involves relieving the front office if their duties while giving Jackson more power. A Team President (Peyton Manning) is going to be hand-cuffed to a 1-31 coach who's media mouthpiece put out his preferences early on (skip on Wentz, skip on Watson) but now somehow the history is being revised to say he really did want Wentz and/or Watson? Ugh. But let's roll those dice and see what that looks like. Personnel changes: Hue Jackson given more authority in the building, front office fired. Peyton Manning will not sign on to be a supervisor to a guy like Jackson, so the Haslams promote/hire their son-in-law to act in that role. Free Agent signings: the signature move of the Hue Jackson offseason will be signing Bengals backup A.J. McCarron to a massive deal - 3 years, $50 million with $20 million guaranteed. Controlling his own narrative now, he can cut/trade DeShone Kizer (his guy initially) and blame that choice on Sashi Brown. Also, with the F/O out of the picture, Hue and more importantly, Al Saunders, can bring Terrelle Pryor back to town. Bye-bye Kenny Britt. Draft: 1.1: Saquon Barkley, RB Penn State The current analytic scale employed by the Browns value running backs at near zero, evidently. This regime would never pick a player like Barkley at the top of the draft - and there could be compelling arguments for why that's right. Sashi, Berry, and "The Baseball Guy" are gone in this alternate reality and Hue Jackson is calling the shots. The most depressing part of this choice is that it's actually 100% the right one to make... but Hue Jackson vehemently hates running the football and avoids it - to the detriment of his team. It's an odd derivation from his past experiences in Oakland and Cincinnati when he called a fairly balanced attack. Barkley, as of today, is the premier player in the 2018 class - with the assumption he declares. He's a complete running back who can hurt teams in a multitude of ways - running, receiving, returning - making him a true triple threat. He's been a workhorse at Penn State and has a freakish blend of power/speed that should translate well at the next level. 1.5 (f/Indianpolis): Lamar Jackson, QB Louisville Browns trade #11 (f/Houston; 1,250 points), #42 (f/Houston; 480 points - total 1,730 points) for #5 overall (1,700 points). Is there any doubt if Hue Jackson picked his next QB it would be Lamar Jackson? A near clone of the player who "moved the earth" beneath Hue's feet in 2016 - Bob Griffin. Jackson is a better passer, worse athlete, than the former No. 2 overall pick. He also very sharply disagrees with analytics and there will be a natural bias against them if Hue usurps the power. Jackson isn't a bad prospect, in all honesty, and he should be a Top 5 pick. He's performed near- or better-than his sophomore Heisman-winning season this year, but he's still only completing 59.8 percent of his passes (57.2 percent career). Doesn't matter... Hue loved Kizer (60.7 percent career) over Trubisky (67.5 percent career) or Watson (67.4 percent career). Jackson's running ability will transcend average completion numbers for most folks and while it's true he's like a human cheat code, he's not exactly the next Mike Vick. His frame (listed at 6'3" and 215) is not conducive to a lot of running at the next level, so he will have to be used wisely by his next offensive coordinator. 1.21 (f/Baltimore): Anthony Miller, WR Memphis Browns trade #33 (580 points) and #65 (265 points - total 845 points) for #21 (800 points). With Hue in charge, draft picks don't carry the same premium. Browns trade the "A.J. McCarron Package" to rival Baltimore in order to take a wide receiver here. Hue Jackson passionately likes throwing the football, to a fault. Miller is a solid option here, especially if both Calvin Ridley and Courtland Sutton are off the board. Miller is a small receiver (5'11" and 190 pounds) but he's got the shiftiness and quick-twitch that Corey Coleman was supposed to have. Still can't count on Josh Gordon, but Hue will have Coleman and Miller and a re-invigorated Terrelle Pryor to throw the ball to. 2.33: TRADED 2.42 (f/Houston): TRADED 2.64 (f/Philadelphia): Mark Andrews, TE Oklahoma Hue Jackson really likes throwing the football. DeValve was an Ivy League guy (and Sashi pick) and Hue's shown no desire to put David Njoku on the field (currently only playing 44.35% of the snaps his season). Andrews is less of a tight end and more of a big receiver. He reminds very much of Jermaine Gresham whom Hue had at Cincinnati. He's a big body (6'5" and 254 pounds) but not a huge blocker. He's averaging 16.4 YPC as a tight end for the Sooners. Another receiver will allow Jackson to dial up his unreasonable 70% throw-percentage with his guy, McCarron. 3.65: TRADED
I don't like this scenario for two related reasons: Where are you rating Mayfield in this QB class? Is he your top rated QB, 2nd, 3rd?? So why I don't like it: 1) If he is your top rated QB, then you are risking 14 others taking him ahead of you, so you miss out on your top rated QB which would help this franchise more than anyone else 2) If he is not your top rated QB, you are "settling" once again...We have seen time and again what settling for the next best looks like at the QB position. I am still hopeful that Kizer gives me a reason not to want a QB #1 overall, but it is waning more each week. The other option is to spend a bulk of that cap space on Kirk Cousins, everyone has a number and his competitive spirit will do the rest... Then this scenario would be ideal with a small change: #1 - Saquon Barkley, RB Penn State #11 - Calvin Ridley, WR Alabama #15 - Roquon Smith, LB Georgia #64 - Joshua Jackson, CB Iowa #65 - Justin Reid, S Stanford (You know the brain trust is going to take one high IQ kid, and this is the one on my list) That would expand the starters for 2018 to 4... Kirk Cousins at the all important QB position Barkley as a huge upgrade to Crowell (despite his recent rushing games due to defensive game planning) Ridley, would step in next to Gordon and Coleman. If the latter stays healthy, it could form a formidable receiving corps with Cousins at the helm. Smith would be an immediate upgrade to Schobert, even though I think Schobert has been growing the past season and a half. Jackson and Reid, possible starters, but both need a little seasoning imho...
Barkley is not going #1 to the Browns so get that out of your head....Lamar Jackson(lol)...this guy has more accuracy issues than Kizer.....you keep claiming Pryor is so good and Britt is so bad...he has more TDs than Pryor in a way worse QB situation...not sure what all the hate is for this guy...going back to Jackson...look at what he does in bowl games....teams have a quantity of time to prepare for him and hes been abysmal 22-53 vs A&M and LSU...if Josh Rosen isnt the top QB on their board...they have serious issues....also stop getting all these draft picks and get some young vets.....aren't people tired of saying this team is losing cause of their age(not all true) but you get the point
At the moment, Mayfield is my No. 1 QB in the class and No. 2 player in the class overall. However, that doesn't mean the 32 NFL teams (or even 14 NFL teams) share that opinion. The Chiefs probably had Patrick Mahomes as their No. 1 guy and they were able to get him at No. 10 overall.
Blow it up? Week 1: 18 - 21 Week 3: 28 - 31 Week 5: 14 - 17 Week 7: 9 - 12 (OT) Week 9: BYE Week 11: 7 - 11* *Was 7 - 11 until the final minute when the Browns surrendered a strip sack recovered for TD. One, it's weird that on most odd weeks we play a much closer game (even week point differentials: -14, -24, -16, -17, -10). Two, it's discouraging because not only did we get thundered by Cincinnati last time, but it's an even week. Three, we can (and I have) argue about whether or not some of the teams let up on us and the spreads weren't as narrow as they seem, but that's five games decided by 16 points. As bad as some of the F/O moves have been... and as bad as Hue Jackson is as a head coach... is there any chance we're close? Nine of Kizer's 14 interceptions came in those five closely-contested games. He was benched in two and the back-up QB that game added two more. Four of Kizer's six fumbles, three of his four losses, came in those closely-contested games. All said, the Browns turned the ball over 15 times in those six games and were still an average of 3.2 points away from winning the football game. I have contended since the beginning of the season that adequate QB play would have us at .500. I don't put that on DeShone Kizer - he wasn't ready and shouldn't have started to begin with. That's on Hue for forcing the issue and/or the F/O for not providing a suitable replacement. If we added that veteran QB in the offseason (Cousins, Fitzpatrick, McCown, Bridgewater/Bradford/Keenum)... do we think we'd make great strides with the current regime staying in place? Asking for a friend.
Watch the games....the talent difference is major....Pitt was up 2 scores in final 2 mins, Indy was up 3 scores in final 7 mins, Jags gave up under 200 total yds, NYJ 2 score game w under 2 mins...getting a gimme score late doesnt make the game closer....just like if Det gives up the lay down...the game is 7 instead of 14...dang it I win the bet
That's a rough game of Russian Roulette, seeing as how badly we need a QB. I don't think I personally would play games if that's where you have him rated. #1 would be the proper pick for you in this situation, then take Tim's advice and trade up for Barkley if you have him rated as the #1 overall prospect in the draft...as I currently do as well. I would say that it's a rather good possibility.
OK, let's go with realistic examples, not calling another team that doesn't have a franchise QB issue and asking if they want to trade theirs away..That isn't realistic because they don't have another one waiting in the wings. If Austin Davis becomes the starter, they are in some major trouble. Not only that, but do you have Russell Wilson rated that much higher than Kirk Cousins? Cousins IS GOING TO BE A FREE AGENT, he didn't drag this contract thing out to not find out his market worth. You don't have to give up those assets if you simply PAY Cousins to come in. Give him ANYTHING he wants. Don't tell me you have to pay the usual market value, because we just payed a QB $16M to come in for training camp and a 2nd round draft pick. The compensation is a moot point...PAY THE MAN
I agree with you. However, if the New York Giants are drafting No. 1 overall, do you think they're taking (given the choice of all four): Baker Mayfield, Josh Rosen, Lamar Jackson, or Sam Darnold? We will have to see where the final standings land to determine how - and if we want - to play this. A Top 5 of... 1 - Cleveland 2 - San Francisco 3 - New York (Giants) 4 - Denver 5 - Indianapolis ... conceivably, the Browns could skip a QB (especially if it's Mayfield who'll be more polarizing than the others) and be able to trade up to either #5 or #6 (would take #11 and one of our second rounders) and still get the QB. 1 (CLE) - Barkley 2 (SF) - TRADE OUT to someone, Rosen 3 (NYG) - Darnold 4 (DEN) - Chubb/Fitzpatrick 5 (CLE) - TRADE UP with Indy, Mayfield
