Where Do We Go From Here?

Discussion in 'Cleveland Browns' started by TopDawg, Oct 2, 2017.

  1. TopDawg Legend

    sure ya are...
    Yep sure. Love the instant psychoanalysis....I know lots of squeelers just like you. Thanks so much. It means a lot. Really. I swear. From the bottom of my heart. I know you truly care...And believe me. If y'all ever find your team in a 25 year funk, I promise I won't pussy-out and pretend like I hope you guys win. Because I don't. And I won't... Ever.

    thanks....Can you please tell me more about the sport with the funny oblong ball?
     
    Last edited: May 18, 2018
  2. gidion72 Legend Steelers

    Your funk is probably a curse for firing Belichik. All that Patriots success could have been your’s.
     
  3. TopDawg Legend

    nice try gid...

    Either way, it's still been fun watching Belichick dominate the Steelers over the years.....
     
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  4. gidion72 Legend Steelers

    Actually he would have coached the Ravens if he wasn’t fired. We would have all been eating crow.
     
  5. greatwazoo Home Town Favorite Steelers

    Bless your heart
     
  6. SAS M.V.P. Rams Chargers

    That's weird... you guys are here posting about Mayfield and the Browns every chance you get, too. Could you be worried about them actually turning this thing around?

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  7. SAS M.V.P. Rams Chargers

    I agree with you on the coaching staff.

    Not a fan of Josh Gordon or Jarvis Landry? I do think Carlos Hyde probably loses his job to Nick Chubb in a year or two, but I would also say that's a good thing.

    They definitely still have questionmarks at receiver, outside of Landry who should be solid. I think that's where you'll see the focus after 2018 is skill position players if these guys don't pan out. However, Dorsey has shown in his time with Kansas City that a winning team can be built without premier wide receivers.

    Only twice (2015 and 2017) were the leading receivers for the Chiefs a wide receiver (Maclin, Hill respectively). In 2015, Maclin did that with 1,088 yards and in 2017 Hill did it with 1,183 yards. The tight ends (Kelce) and running backs (Charles) were the leading receivers those other seasons.

    And they managed a 53-27 record over that span (beginning with an 11-5 turnaround after a 2-14 season).

    Travis Kelce is one of the best TE's in the league and I don't want to prematurely associate the two, but if Njoku fills the Kelce role (leading receiver), some combination of Hyde/Chubb fills the Charles role (multi-purpose back), Tyrod Taylor fills the Alex Smith role (safe, conservative passer)... wouldn't the other guys on offense (Gordon, Landry, Coleman, Callaway, DeValve) just be bonuses?
     
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  8. SAS M.V.P. Rams Chargers

    ^^^^^ And just go back and look at that 2012 season for Kansas City before Dorsey and Reid took over.

    You had Browns' retreads on the coaching staff: Romeo Crennel as head coach/defensive coordinator, Brian Daboll as offensive coordinator. You had a Browns' retread at quarterback (Brady Quinn) who went 1-7 and a Patriots retread (Matt Cassel) who also went 1-7. They still had Jamaal Charles - the only positive of the season - and another Browns' retread spelling him (Peyton Hillis). The leading receiver - 801 yards - was Dwayne Bowe. The defense was not good (25th in points for, 30th in total yards allowed).

    And Dorsey/Reid turned that around in one season by basically just acquiring a smart, mobile, veteran quarterback who took care of the football (Alex Smith) and letting their roster develop. They didn't even have a great draft (few did in 2013) with only Eric Fisher starting as a rookie.
     
  9. Hey quick question for TD how is Big King Felix doing lol
     
  10. TopDawg Legend

    Not sure what I was thinking, but man am I glad this exists:
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    ahhhh...that's nice. it shan't be breached again....
     
  11. DvlDawg Starter Browns

    Well. Taylor is a Cardinal now. He wasn’t going to make the final roster anyway, so if they got a backup sideline painter for him it’s a win.
     
  12. That’s what the Browns would do to do u as well if u asked them for anything...who r u lol
     
  13. LAOJoe Assistant Coach Manager Patreon Silver Maple Leafs Eagles

    Johnny Manziel finally signed with the Hamilton Tiger-Cats. 2-year deal. I never expected him to but I think now that camps have opened and he's talked to people he's finally learned it's a much better option than these other start-up leagues. It's my team so I hope he does well. From the start he always seemed like a total NFL bust to me but that he has the skillset for the CFL (yes there is a major difference in skills needed, it isn't just the talent difference). He probably doesn't start but Hamilton does use multiple QBs in games for different situations.

    I'll probably find him at some bar before he's gone.
     
  14. kenibals Home Town Favorite Browns

    I believe Tyrod is Smith in Dorsey's eyes, and I would agree. He wants the stability Tyrod brings to help all the new pieces get aclimated and learn, so that when he is ready to plug in Baker, Baker is the only piece still finding his way.

    Tyrod offers stability, ball security, and escapeability that should allow us to make first downs and score, simply by not shooting ourselves in the foot. I don't trust Gordon, but I like him, and am hoping that with a true NFL QB, and a proven, hardworking WR in Landry, he keeps on the path to success, and adulthood. I believe our RBs are a step up from last year, and I like our TE status.

    The O line still worries me, simply because JT is at home, but expect we'll get "adequate" play from the postion, and I like the Guards, so hopefully the RBs can do some damage up the middle. Duke will continue to be a multi tool who can make plays all over the field. so as always it's the QB who will carry the weight of the O success. I trust Tyrod to be above average, and put us in position to win, but not to carry us to wins.

    Ultimately I agree with you SAS, the longer Baker sits and learns, the better. I'd love to see us make to the Bye week, still in the conversation and Baker taking the last 6 games. I think it's a good situation, where there's still pressure to win, but not necessarily the expectation to win, so he can do his thing, and we can get a preview of 2019.

    BTW not much feedback on the being named to star in "Hard Knocks". ????????
     
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  15. kenibals Home Town Favorite Browns

    Hard Knocks. Part of me likes this idea, and the other part hates it. God knows the Browns could use some exposure, from a fanbase standpoint, but the opportunity to have it magnify every little difference of opinion, and stoke the fires of simple competition into rivalry scares me, with so many new faces, and a HC who IMO will be the biggest opportunity for showcasing ineptitude.

    I wonder how Gordon is going to respond to the constant questions about his drug use and questionable (being kind) associaated behaviors, along with Callaway. Baker will get a focus way beyond what would already have been overboard, and will have to work to balance his competitive nature with the clear need to respect and learn the NFL game. It will be a tightrope act, to assert leadership and be the supportive student simultaneously.

    I look forward to getting a sense of who's who, and hopefully a "Cleveland first" attitude, that unifies the team, but when the cuts come, Oh Boy!

    What do you expect to see? Can this be a positive, or will it polarize the team and doom the season?
     
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  16. TopDawg Legend

    I think Hard Knocks is great for the Browns. We have a lot of situations with this team that will surely make for riveting TV, but beyond that, it's just time for this team to finally draw some exposure. We got the Heisman winner again, and Mayfield/Taylor competition will be interesting.. Year two of Myles Garrett. A coach that has to jump in the lake. A rising young team with talent everywhere. Two new stud running backs. Denzel Ward and the revamped secondary... I truly believe that we will be witnessing the beginnings of the ultimate sports turnaround. The Cleveland Browns getting their act together... Everyone loves an underdawg, and 1-31 speaks for itself. This should be fun. It has the makings to be the best Hard Knocks of all time IMO....This could be really good for the young Browns. I actually think the cameras will put extra pressure on guys like Gordon and Calloway to make sure they stay on the straight and narrow....
     
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  17. No joke...only Browns fans will be watching...nobody else cares about the Browns in the NFL
     
  18. Campbell Administrator Manager Commissioner

    I think Mayfield being a part of that group is going to bring in some observers that would normally not watch.
     
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  19. Maybe if he was the named starter...watching a backup isnt exciting
     
  20. Campbell Administrator Manager Commissioner

    It wouldn't matter if that kid was handing out towels.

    For some reason, he has a certain loyal following that would watch the guy stuff burritos at Taco Bell so long as he had a helmet on.
     
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