We know his name and situation now, but go back two years. If I told you a 24-year old rookie who played Division II football, had an irregular throwing motion, threw fewer than 600 career attempts, and really only met most size-strength requirements would be the No. 2 overall pick - how loudly would you laugh at me? Go back a year from today and if I told you a first-year starter at a basketball school who might not measure 6'2" at the Combine, had no bowl game victories, and who completed a decent number of his passes but couldn't beat out an undrafted player prior to getting the job would be the No. 2 overall pick - how loudly would you laugh at me? We'll see where the season shakes out and I'd love to be able to get Mayfield with our second first round pick, but if we have to make him the No. 1 or No. 2 overall pick, I'm not going to say it's a bad choice.
Not much out of Sashi Brown's press conference. One note he touched was that the issue with Browns - especially around QB - hasn't been approach but rather evaluation. Not sure if he meant it as a close-fisted punch to Hue Jackson's nose, but that's how I took it. After all, he's the "QB guru" who the team has relied on to find "the guy". Who will make the call at finding the quarterback? We know that Hue Jackson fell in love with Bob Griffin and was the reason he was signed to a two-year deal and then abandoned after five ugly starts. That was also Hue Jackson's decision to move on from him. Cross of Wentz because both the F/O and Hue didn't want him - the F/O favored the picks and didn't view him as a "Top 20" guy (could be coach's speak) and Hue preferred Goff. It was rumored that the F/O wanted to draft Mitch Trubisky last season, even some reports saying they were intent on taking him at No. 1 overall with the coaches talking them out of it in favor of Myles Garrett. It was also revealed after the fact that the F/O was the driving force behind adding Cody Kessler, whom Hue gave up on after only eight starts. The F/O replaced the veteran McCown with a savvy pay-for-pick deal with Houston that also added Osweiler. Some of us are berating the team for not having a vet, but we did have one whom Hue demoted to inactive and made the decision to start the 21-year old rookie after a poor showing in a preseason game against the 2-6 Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Hue wanted Kizer as the analytics point to any other QB in this past draft but Kizer. Hue seemingly has given up on Kizer after five starts, benching him three times, sitting him completely in a game, and losing his mind when the team didn't pay an outrageous fee for marginal talent A.J. McCarron. Given the track record, the F/O needs to make the call on QB in the 2018 Draft.
Coke addiction aside, Johnny Manziel is/was the most talented QB prospect the Browns have drafted since the 1999 reboot. Still managed to go 2-6 as a starter and posting a 74.4 rating while likely drunk, hung-over, high, and non-committed to his craft. For comparison sake, DeShone Kizer, sober and dedicated to his craft is 0-7 with a 51.1 rating.
Nice try, you can look through all the draft data... In 2016 I had Carson Wentz as the #1 QB coming out In 2017 I had Deshaun Watson as the #1 QB coming out Many discussions about QBs...so there you go Joe For the record, I don't have any rankings on QBs for 2018, haven't watched nearly enough tape to make any thoughts known.
I was just messing with you Irish, mostly. Although I do know you were going hard for Manziel and not taking Wentz at #2. And after the fact said you didn't really want Wentz. Some to do with draft assets, another just going with the fact one is on your team at that point and another isn't. And for a long time you were saying I spelled DeShawn wrong as possibly the best QB and that you wanted DeShone at #1. That was before coming out though.
Sad, but true. If only Johnny gave a shit about his craft......Kizer has been hard to watch. I think maybe he has improved slightly the last couple games, but that's like saying he's gone from epically bad, to just bad. As a fan, it's hard to see much improvement. We are a competitive team at times, but way too often the offense puts this team up against it. We can't have SO many 3 and outs. Kizer needs to use his legs more and just get first downs. Sustain a drive once in a while. Is that too much to ask?.. The inability to do that, and all the dumb turnovers are killing the team. You can't win when you don't have a QB. It's obvious that Kizer isn't ready, so I just do not understand why we don't start Kessler. It really makes me think the Browns are chasing #1 again... I just want to see a win, and I do NOT believe Kizer is the Browns best option, if that is the goal. Are we trying to win? or are we chasing another draft pick?...Continuing to yoyo Kizer in and out of the line-up is simply making the Browns look absurd, which they are obviously very good at, and not doing a damn think in the development of Deshone Kizer... Hue deserves to be fired...We really need to make a move there. I believe Sashi did save us from a bad trade, but I don't understand how the hell he didn't land Garappolo. Sashi had an opportunity to dramatically improve the Browns at the bye, and that goes down as a big fail...So I'm not sure about the FO right now. I'd say they on very thin ice....
That is true, knowing what I know now, I still would make that trade instead of drafting Wentz. I truly believe Wentz would be doomed had he been picked at that time. The assets acquired was well worth the decision made...Now, Watson is another story altogether, although I said he was a borderline 2nd round talent, I also stated on draft day, I would be happy if they took Watson there at #12...Then they traded down.
I guess that's why we have these forums. We aren't always gonna agree....Huge mistake to pass on Wentz. HUGE. HUE-GE
Man I was worried we wouldn't get Wentz. I wanted him when he was a day 2-prospect and he kept going up the boards. Everyone else started seeing it. Then he got above our mid-round selection and I was hoping for Jack Conklin. Well good thing we traded up because we wouldn't have gotten either.
You can't go all in on a trade for Garappolo if you don't know he was back on the market. IMO, that whole 9er/Pats trade was about as stealth as they come. No one (outside of San Francisco and Foxborough) saw that coming.
Story is that San Francisco called in the offer WAY late on purpose so the Pats couldn't properly try to shop around to the highest bidder. Pats knew they had to get him gone or possibly be screwed in the offseason.
From what I heard, the night the trade went down was the night our FO execs decided to call it quits at 5pm...Either way, we should have had a standing offer on the table if the Pats wanted to trade Garappolo.....A couple #2's would have got it done....Sashi should have been on Pats' speed dial...
^^^ Now, Peter King (Sports Illustrated) today put in his article that word around the NFL is that teams don't like trading with the Browns, so it's possible that was part of the equation. Ultimately, the Patriots picked up a second round pick and got a back-up to Tom Brady who knows the system already. They would have gotten a comparable pick from Cleveland (who knows... maybe New England's analytics has us with a better record than the 49ers this season) but not the offense-ready backup.
