I disagree. All the things you listed are good qualities to have in a QB. But I've still got major concerns with him. Leadership. What kind of teammate is he? Were his injuries a fluke, or does he have a hard time staying healthy? Are there toughness concerns? We already know he felt entitled enough to call out a struggling NFL franchise and tell the world he'd "rather not go there.". Which I thought was just an idiotic thing for him to do. It's not like he is a Manning... He isn't coming in as league royalty...I have many more concerns about Rosen than I do Mayfield.
I’m not disagreeing at all. He certainly has all of those. Our roster is full of talent. What we lack is a leader. A field general that people will follow into a burning building. Someone to set the tone for the O. I just don’t think (my opinion is as useless as everyone’s except John Dorsey’s) that anyone else in this draft has it.
That's why this is the NFL and not college...you have vets that have been in the league for 10+ yrs...Thomas should b a leader, Zeitler, Bitonio, Crowell(if resigned), Duke, etc...it shouldn't fall on a rookie QB...hell one of the best leaders I have seen in Winston shouldn't have had that burden
Should is a hell of a word. You’re right that they should lead. Real Leadership isn’t a thing you get, learn, pick up, get awarded, or grow into. Not real leadership. You don’t get comfortable with that. You snatch it up, you take it. It’s part of you. I don’t see that on our roster. Not yet
We aren't talking about burdening them with it. We are talking about the natural leaders that is part of their makeup... Brett Favre...Had it Joe Montana...Had it Peyton Manning...Had it Drew Brees...Has it Tom Brady...Has it Terry Bradshaw had it For the record, I agree Jameis Winston has it, Marcus Mariota did not Troy Aikman is the anomaly..The Cowboys of the 90's were just so good, he merely had to be a piece in the machine. What do they all have in common besides Winston? Super Bowl rings, some multiple You can argue Kirk Cousins...does NOT have it, and I can't really argue with you on it.. For the others we have control of taking #1 overall Josh Rosen...certainly has shown NO signs of having it. Sam Darnold...Leads, but not with charisma Josh Allen...does not have it Mason Rudolph...I can't say one way or the other. I've watched film, but I haven't seen enough of his sideline demeanor. The one athlete that has it in spades...Baker Mayfield..once again, another category that NONE of his peers can touch him in.
Browns fans have been down this road enough.... I think it's hugely telling as far as the Browns are concerned, that Scott Mccloughan said he doesn't think Cousins is "special" ....Dorsey and Mccloughan understand what a QB truly must be. I have confidence that they will bring us the right guy. Cousins is a good QB, but if going after him means we must pass on a potentially great QB, it would be a tremendous blunder. Plus I think those guys know that Cousins isn't "truly" considering the Browns.....Dorsey didn't come here just to get the Browns off the mat. He's thinking about championships.
Here's one... 1. Cleveland Browns: Baker Mayfield, QB Oklahoma Tough to peg the QB carousel this offseason, but I've got Cleveland out in the cold on all of them. The sign the best journey to teach Mayfield how to be an NFL QB and draft the best overall player in the class. 2. New York Giants: Sam Darnold, QB USC Regardless of Eli Manning's short or long-term situation with the team, they need to plan for life after Manning and Darnold would seem like a logical choice. This gives him a year or two to mature before seeing the field full time. 3. Indianapolis Colts: Bradley Chubb, DE N.C. State Chris Ballard takes the best player, as a philosophy. A QB should be a pick, as Andrew Luck is both done and a bust, but Irsay won't move on from those damaged goods just yet. 4. Cleveland (f/Houston): Saquon Barkley, RB Penn State Dorsey is also a "best available" guy and it's tough to say Barkley wouldn't be top of the board here. Browns add a pair of offensive rookies to be the cornerstone of the franchise for the next 10 seasons. 5. Denver Broncos: Josh Allen, QB Wyoming Denver can sign the less-costly Case Keenum, draft his replacement, and still compete in the AFC West. 6. New York Jets: Josh Rosen, QB UCLA Rosen's concerns seem to revolve around non-football things, meaning he should be a pretty good player. Perfect player/team need and match. 7. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Minkah Fitzpatrick, DB Alabama Like Jamal Adams last year, a premier safety prospect drops a little, thanks in large part to four QBs selected in the Top 6. 8. Chicago Bears: Quenton Nelson, OG Notre Dame Might be the "safest" pick in the class. This guy could be an All Pro as a rookie. 9. San Francisco 49ers: Roquan Smith, LB Georgia Tempted to put Derrius Guice here, but it's a deep running back class. Smith is a premier LB and San Francisco is one of those teams that values talent at the position. 10. Oakland Raiders: Tremaine Edmunds, LB Virginia Tech Jon Gruden is back and so are the traditional Raiders picks. Edmunds falls into the category of there being a finite number of humans made like him - 6'5" 250 with speed, smarts, and strength. Oakland's linebackers were among the worst in the NFL last season. 11. Miami Dolphins: Lamar Jackson, QB Louisville With a looming decision to make on Ryan Tannehill, the Dolphins could choose to cut/trade him, suffer little cap ramifications and move on. Jackson is an electric talent and Gase has proven to be an adaptive NFL head coach. 12. Cincinnati Bengals: Orlando Brown, OT Oklahoma Bengals favor size/speed/strength profiles and Brown has that in spades. Their offensive line was a disaster after losing their veterans and the backups fared poorly in their auditions. 13. Washington Redskins: Calvin Ridley, WR Alabama With the question at QB answered - at least for now - Washington can turn to adding playmakers around Alex Smith to improve his chances. I expect them to lose Pryor (signed by the Browns) and their receivers were god-awful last season. 14. Green Bay Packers: Derrius Guice, RB LSU New front office, new coaching staff, and a miffed Aaron Rodgers could start to spell the end for in Green Bay. A replacement QB would make sense, but given that five have come off the board already, they pass in favor of an actual running back. Some (including our own Scot McCloughan) prefer Guice to Barkley, so that's incredible value at #14. 15. Arizona Cardinals: TRADE - Nick Foles, QB Philadelphia Cardinals could do worse than trading their first rounder for Foles - especially if the other QBs have already dropped like flies. They won't have to go through developing a QB as Foles could give them legitimate QB play right out of the gate. 16. Baltimore Ravens: Courtland Sutton, WR SMU The pick should be QB as Joe Flacco is a bum. Instead, they go play maker for said bum. Sutton is a physical freak at the position who should garner plenty of WR1 discussion. 17. Los Angeles Chargers: Derwin James, DB Florida State Chargers finally fill the hole at safety that's been there for season after season, all the while avoiding the position that I've constantly mocked to them in the past. James is probably closer to Top 10 in talent but there simply wasn't a good fit until now. 18. Seattle Seahawks: Connor Williams, OT Texas How can this pick be anything other than offensive line? They're trying to kill Russell Wilson... that has to stop. 19. Dallas Cowboys: James Washington, WR Oklahoma State Biggest need for the team is likely at receiver, especially considering Dez Bryant's situation. Washington is built more like a running back at the position, but he's been hyper-productive and should be a Day 1 selection. 20. Detroit Lions: Maurice Hurst, DT Michigan Wonder if Lions fans still feel good about hiring Patricia this morning? Regardless, an influx of defensive talent should be expected. Hurst is a Top 15 talent, so bonus points for value. 21. Buffalo Bills: Billy Price, C Ohio State Tough, tough break hearing the news on Eric Wood. Price would step into some pretty big shoes but hast he versatility and attitude to succeed there. 22. Buffalo Bills (f/Kansas City Chiefs): Da'Ron Payne, Alabama Decision will need to be made on Tyrod Taylor by March 15th, but unless they get assurances in the tampering window that they'll land a Cousins or Foles, why would you move on? You can trade him later, albeit at the cost of some cap space, but so be it. Adding defensive line help is a must with their impending free agents. 23. Los Angeles Rams: Josh Jackson, CB Iowa One-year wonder concerns about Big 10 cornerbacks shouldn't be a thing any more (thanks, Marshon Lattimore). No corner was better in 2017 than Jackson and it just so happens to be a position of need, regardless of Trumaine Johnson's retention. 24. Carolina Panthers: Arden Key, DE LSU In the lead up to 2017, Key was considered a Top 5 guy. Now, there are concerns around him. He's still got a ton of natural talent and this is a need for the Panthers. They could go wide receiver, but until that position clears itself up, it's hard to pick who WR4 in in this class. 25. Tennessee Titans: Rashaan Evans, LB Alabama New head coach Mike Vrabel was a linebacker, so the pick makes sense... right? Evans is versatile and speedy, which they're gonna need going against Deshaun Watson twice a season now. 26. Atlanta Falcons: Denzel Ward, CB Ohio State Size concerns and lack of need bump him down the board. Ward had some hot-cold moments this season and doesn't come with the same fanfare as Lattimore or even Conley from last season. 27. New Orleans Saints: Marcus Davenport, DE UTSA What do you get the team that had a near-perfect draft a season ago? The best player available. Davenport is very good at both rushing the passer and stopping the run. Saints defense was a huge part of their success in 2017 and looks to get even stronger with this pick. 28. Pittsburgh Steelers: Ronald Jones II, USC Ben's such a diva that picking his replacement in the first may tailspin the franchise. While I love that idea, I have to believe they won't touch that third rail yet. Instead, give him a play maker to replace the free agent departure of Le'Veon Bell. 29. Jacksonville Jaguars: Mason Rudolph, QB Oklahoma State Where Blake Bortles ends up is anyone's guess... maybe a team like Arizona or Miami? Regardless, time to think towards the future. Rudolph is limited by athleticism and an average arm, but is accurate and offers the leadership qualities teams look for. 30. Minnesota Vikings: Mike McGlinchey, OT Notre Dame Offensive line play needs to improve in Minnesota and adding a top-flight tackle can go a long way. I am going with the latest reports that Cousins prefers this destination and they already have weapons. Keep that $30 million investment clean with a great blind-side blocker. 31. New England Patriots: Mike Hughes, CB UCF If they keep the pick, they can get a replacement for Malcolm Butler (signed by the Cleveland Browns in free agency). Hughes may not be ready to start Day 1, but this is the perfect environment for him to learn the game in and he should be an early contributor on special teams and reserve roles. 32. Philadelphia Eagles: Kolton Miller, UCLA Eagles have such a solid roster it's hard to poke holes in it. With Peters having missed time this season, as well as turning 36, it's fair to suggest they find his replacement. Miller wasn't great in 2016, but neither was UCLA without Rosen. He fared much better in 2017, posting high marks at PFF.com and the Eagles are an anaytics-forward franchise.
Finishing out the Browns' draft... 2.33: Jamarco Jones, OT Ohio State I suspect Joe Thomas retires, but even if he doesn't, Browns must plan to replacing him. Jones should be a first round pick when all is said and done and is a steal here. 2.35: Jaire Alexander, CB Louisville Adding Malcolm Butler in free agency and now Alexander in the draft gives them flexibility to move Jason McCourty to free safety and Jabrill Peppers to his natural spot at strong safety. Alexander has round one skills but needs to be cleared medically having missed time with hand and knee injuries. 2.64: Jerome Baker, LB Ohio State After having passed on Buckeyes for 18 consecutive drafts, it seems improbably that they'd take two in the same year. However, Baker fills a need on defense, namely - speed to cover the middle of the field. That should improve with other positional changes, but Baker could be a great add. 3.65: Michael Gallup, WR Colorado State Gallup would join fellow Ram Rashard Higgins in Cleveland. Gallup's evals are all over the board, with one person at least willing to call him a first round sleeper. Realistically, he's a Day 2 - 3 guy with average size speed but good production, reliable hands, and a full route tree. 4.103: Shaquem Griffin, EDGE UCF Griffin is a great story and will be an NFL first when he's drafted. He was unblockable at the Senior Bowl and brings speed and that relentless motor (as well as the chip on his shoulder) to the NFL. Browns would be lucky to get a guy like this. 4.125: Adam Brenneman, TE UMass Don't the Browns already have good TE's? Yes... so? Brenneman is a small school guy who didn't get a chance to shine at the Senior Bowl but who likely would have. Good size and speed for the position. Would give the team plenty of options with their TE room with Njoku as a seam-buster, DeValve as a classic in-line guy, and Brenneman as a mismatch lineup. 5.140: Mike White, QB Western Kentucky An earlier rumor connected White to Cleveland the it could make sense. Like Washington did when they took Griffin, add a guy in the later rounds that offers a little upside and could be trade value later on. This move would completely re-make the QB room, leaving the vet (Drew Stanton), and the rookies (Mayfield, White) with Kessler/Hogan cut and Kizer traded. 5.161: Darius Leonard, LB South Carolina State An 0-16 team drafting depth? Unheard of, but the roster isn't and wasn't bad. Another coach/QB combo would have had them at 5-11 at worst last season. Another "chip-on-the-shoulder" guy who didn't get the big school offers but excelled at the smaller one. 6.178: Bradley Bozeman, C Alabama The tackles were bad last season, but part of that was Spencer Drango masquerading as a tackle (he's a guard). J.C. Tretter was an upgrade, but still not the difference-maker he should have been. Not moving on, but putting someone behind him may elicit better play. 7.198: Deadrin Senat, DT South Florida Big man in the middle of the defense who got better every season. Doesn't hurt to have quality depth along the line.
How bout Dorsey gets his 1st W...not trying to be smart but he came in as a tough guy making guarantees smh
Yeah. okay thanks for the obvious...It's a fall sport. There's not a whole lot he can do at this minute... I just meant that it seems like this FO has a clearer picture of the big picture...
Okay I have it on good authority from a contract expert that read the actual contract that Foles' contract voids next year regardless of the team. Shody reporting and referencing of the contract confused everyone including cap sites that "Eagles Roster" only meant the Eagles. It's still a great contract and worth a bit but not the goldmine it was before.
Congrats!! Foles played great but no doubt the play calling has helped both him and Wentz...guys were wide open and NE secondary was no match for those WRs...NE was more than lucky to be playing Jax instead of Pitt...the bogus call on James cost Pitt IMO
I still think the NFL got it right on Jesse James. He dove forward during the catch. He should have established it first. Ertz took 3 steps then went to dive ahead, if you wanna compare them. The Jags should have beaten the Pats. I wouldn't say the Pats were lucky to miss the Steelers but that the Pats were lucky the Jags coached a bad 2nd half... if anything. The Jags let it get away. I always gave the Jags better odds than the Steelers of winning in New England.
But you can look at my posts on the game thread in the Steelers board for that particular game if you wanna talk about it. No need to talk about that again here.
