https://live4sportnetwork.com/forum/tags/nfl-draft/ Normally I wait until they are completed at the end of the season (or near completion) before I give everyone a chance to read them but after having several requests the past couple seasons to get more of a look at how they evolve I decided to let everyone see how much they change over the course of the process. The updated rankings all have more than one list separated by a line and date. All of the first scores go off of some baseline metrics. The second scores get into some more focused aspects and the third scores get into even more detailed nuances. That third score will have aspects that get compared to combine totals and if my numbers are within fractions of the combine then I'm comfortable with that score. If not, I go back and try to locate what I was missing, why the numbers don't relate or what type of anomaly it may be.
Has Hue Jackson actually said that he won't surrender playcalling, or is this just a rolling assumption? Just curious, I hadn't seen anything, but I am not nearly as caught up in the day to day as a couple of you.
No, it was reported by Mary Kay Cabot of all people... He has not actually publicly stated he will not give up play calling.
Play-calling is not why we went 0-16. Hue Jackson was considered a really good, if not great, play-caller when we hired him. I think the problem here was MUCH more to do with the development of our young QB's, than play-calling. That's where we fell woefully short. Kizer's college coach said it, for the world to hear, when he declared for the draft, "He's NOT ready."..Kelly took heat for saying that, but he was 100% right..... Let's just suppose we had a top rated play-caller on the sideline this past season. Would it have made a difference in the win column? Impossible to say, but I honestly have my doubts. Our quarterbacks were that bad...It was a doomed plan from the beginning, and I'm not convinced that any play-caller could have saved the Browns from what happened.... My point is, i think a bit too much is made of the "play-calling" factor...It's really about the execution of the play, and if the QB doesn't know what the hell he's doing, as ours clearly didn't, it's going to be a fail. That's why Hue was desperately trying to bring in McCarron. He knew we weren't going to win with the QB's we had..Shame on the organization for putting the players and fans through that. A legit plan at QB would have spared us all the epic embarrassment. Anybody can watch about 5 minutes of Browns football, from any game, and determine pretty easily what the main problem is...and it's not the play-calling.
I agree 100% TD, it would not have mattered much... Which is why Sashi was fired instead of Hue. However, QB development is typically done in practice, not thrown into the fire before you are ready. I get that Hue didn't really have a choice given the circumstances of the QB room, however..In his past, Hue's playcalling was ALWAYS closer to 52%pass/48% run, as soon as he got to Cleveland, whether it was with RGIII, veteran Josh McCown, newbie Cody Kessler or not close to being ready DeShone Kizer, he was always over 60% pass to run..Now, maybe he was told this season doesn't matter, just work on passes to get Kizer up to speed since there isn't anyone else. We don't know what happened behind closed doors, but no one has come to his defense to say that either...passing that much puts a lot of pressure on a young QB, that's all I am saying and he continued to do it throughout BOTH seasons he has been here.
I think it does. Look at what Doug Peterson is doing with Carson Wentz or Bill "Buttchin" O'Brien did with Deshaun Watson. When it was evident that Watson needed to start, O'Brien (and Sean Ryan) implemented a ton of the Clemson playbook - they adapted their style to their QB. As a result, he scored 21 touchdowns in seven games. Peterson did, and continues to, use more RPO than any other team. Some jack told me that college components don't work in the NFL, but it seemed to work pretty damn well for the Eagles this past season. Even in Los Angeles where Goff has a fuller playbook, his coordinator is helping him pre-snap by hurrying the team to the line so they can read the defense and make adjustments as needed. Hue Jackson's offense is not only Mesozoic, it's also terribly advanced. No other OC asks more out of his QB post-snap than Jackson. The only concession he made for Kizer was putting him in the shotgun to get a better read on the defense pre-snap but once teams disguised coverages, he was lost. Hue loves shifts and crap like that, but he doesn't even employ something as simple as motion a receiver to try and tip the defense to giving away man/zone. For a guy who's major issue was reading the defense, that's inexcusable. He asked way too much of Kizer which led to him staring down receivers and praying they come open. He missed a ton of open shots because he wasn't comfortable going through progressions. He took too many sacks because he held the ball too long waiting for his man to uncover. His throws were often late, leading to interceptions or more typically, zero yards-after-catch. All of this, in turn, led us to say our WR corp was the worst in the NFL when it wasn't by a long-shot. Does a different OC give us 10 wins? No. But 3-5 would not have been unreasonable. Just look at the difference in Houston with Watson out of the lineup. For as good as Watson looked, a TON of that is on the play-calling. Watson caught some breaks... his adjusted completion percentage is actually lower than his completion percentage (61.8). He threw a ton of interceptable balls that the defense simply didn't make him pay for. Time to throw? 3.1s for Watson (most in NFL), 2.84s for Kizer. Air Yard Differential? 3.0 for Watson, 3.4 for Kizer. (measures deep attempts versus completions) Aggressiveness? 17.2 for Watson, 20.6 for Kizer. Average Depth of Throw? 11.5 for Watson, 9.6 for Kizer (but no one's going to argue Watson has a strong arm) Lastly, running the football. With Deshaun as a starter, the Texans averaged 33.2 rush attempts per game (27.5 per game coming from the running backs). This, despite the running backs averaging only 3.8 YPC over that time. By comparison, Cleveland's running backs only averaged 18 carries per game, despite a 4.2 YPC. Chicago, with Trubisky, averaged 22.5 rush attempts per game from the 'backs with a 3.9 YPC. Philadelphia, with Wentz (2016), averaged 24.5 rush attempts per game from the 'backs with a 4.2 YPC. And therein is the problem. Wentz, a rookie from a Division II school had his running backs get more than 100 more attempts in his season than Kizer did. All this in spite of the Browns' running backs being above average at their jobs. Play-calling.
Discounting Cody Kessler, Hue Jackson's previous work with a rookie QB was Joe Flacco. He wasn't the OC in that case (just QB coach) but Flacco attempted 28.75 passes per game. DeShone Kizer attempted 34.3 (5.5 more per game). Flacco was supported by a ground game that featured a friggin' full back as the primary ball carrier. Baltimore averaged 33.75 attempts per game - Cleveland averaged 18.0 - 187.5 percent fewer. And the Baltimore running backs averaged 4.0 YPC. Flacco completed 60.0% of his passes - down from 63.4% in college (-3.4). Kizer completed 53.6% of his passes - down from 60.7% in college (-7.1). Flacco had a 7.0% sack rate. Kizer had a 7.4% sack rate. Flacco had 6.9 YPA and 11.6 YPC. Kizer had a 6.1 YPA and 11.3 YPC. Joe Flacco enjoyed his best season statistically in 2010 after Hue Jackson had left to be the coordinator for the Raiders. His OC was Cam Cameron and his QB coach was Jim Zorn.
I think Bill Polian said it best on NFL Live this afternoon. Priority #1 for Cleveland must be to get a professional quarterback on the roster, because they didn't have one in 2017, and that was inexcusable.... A better playcaller might have gotten us a win, but not much more. Five or six wins is a big stretch IMO...The best play caller in the world isn't getting Kizer anywhere near 6 W's in 2017...
Tomlin's not going anywhere, but any Steelers fan worth his salt is extremely dissatisfied with the fact that the team has become a collection of big-mouthed idiots on his watch and the laughing stock of the NFL for the week. I personally have never been more angry at the team for spitting in the face of its fans for expecting more. The fools have certainly made it clear that they expected more too. That's the problem. Like I said, Tomlin is safe for now, but I'll stage a mutiny if Art Rooney doesn't clamp down on the shenanigans that Tomlin currently treats with dismissiveness. We've become a team of thugs and that isn't okay.
The Cousins scenario: https://scout.com/nfl/browns/Articl...ong-NFL-Mock-Draft-Experiment-Day-2-113783769
This would be the worse case scenario as far as the QB situation goes. Or at least as bad as the one stopper proposed; https://scout.com/nfl/browns/Articl...ong-NFL-Mock-Draft-Experiment-Day-3-113856865
I REALLY like that scenario, if I'm being honest. I would love to draft Baker Mayfield, but let's face it...with this new regime, it ain't happenin. So this would be my second best choice. Getting both Barkley and Fitzpatrick changes the future of the Browns in a huge way, imho.
I couldn't agree more!! I would puke on draft day and possibly not watch the rest if they take Rosen #1. Problem is, it isn't just possible, it's probable if they don't find a veteran to sign. IF they could change out Mayfield with Rosen, the draft wouldn't be so bad, but I would hate going into 2018 with Chase Daniel as my starter...Mayfield would be promoted sooner than I would like....Rosen, nope, stay on the bench son.
