WDF Discussion Thread

I feel like we're in complete agreement here and this is meant to teach me something I already understood and concur with. ?? Is this about the salary floor you mentioned recently?
I can appreciate a bad team trying to carry over a nice chunk into a future free agency period. But don't like cap amounts being close to double. That could get simply hard to plan for, in regards to free agency.

 

Basically.

I'm looking to find a percentage-based formula but it's going to be easier to create once we see how free agency works out this offseason (prior to the draft), but the outlined method I have here is probably going to be the basis for future seasons.

The basic outline follows - The rollover cash that you have from the previous season that does not include the leftover money from in season free agency will only be available for spending during the open FA period prior to the draft, with a percentage forwarded to next season (or in season if you need the relief for free agency).

Once that window closes, that number that you reserved in the offseason prior to kickoff comes off the books by a certain percentage. That percentage will likely be based on a number that comes from the total cap. Being that the cap increases by 8% each season, the percentage that is allowable for continued rollover will likely have to expand to a degree as well. However, the goal is going to be some type of forced spending that creates enough movement to keep the cap floor of low spending teams within reason.

It's an interesting line to walk because, like in all of our leagues, the goal is to give as much freedom to the manager as possible to build/rebuild in the fashion they desire, but we also have to be aware of the idea that having no set limit to how much cash an owner can hoard will likely be detrimental to regular league business.

EDIT:

One other thing to point out with this - If you rollover a shit ton of cash to go bananas in an offseason, you are going to set yourself up for failure the following season when that relief is no longer available. If you are over the max cap the following year, you would need to make cuts/trades to get back under the cap or else you wouldn't be able to field a roster on game day. There's also the idea that it takes $28mil to sign this season's rookie class (one pick in each of the 7 rounds) that owners will need to keep in mind, so there are a lot of moving parts that owners need to stay aware of and devise their own methodology for dealing with.

 

The way you explained it it looks like it works like this:

$50M Rollover. Let's say $10M cap room remaining. Tannehill $8.5M expiring (and no one else expiring to keep it simple)
New year before raises the funds total is $60M - $8.5M accounted for Tannehill, which goes back to $60M if Tannehill isn't resigned? Is that correct so far?
= $60M

$50M Rollover. Let's say $10M cap room remaining. Tannehill $8.5M expiring (and no one else expiring to keep it simple)
But on last day of season you cut him and get $8.5M back. So $50M Rollover + 18.5M cap room remaining - cap penalty
= $68.5M - penalty.

 

@LAOJoe

When he comes off the books, he comes off the books. The numbers don't change regardless of whether he is cut during the regular season or not resigned.

The only difference would be if there is a penalty involved.

If you had Aaron Rodgers on an expiring deal and you let him walk, $10mil would come off your book without penalty. Nothing else about your numbers would change except you would no longer be paying for a player that is not under contract for your team.

 

But it sounds like if you cut him on his last year you get refunded that year since he's off the books, while if you cut him on his 0 years remaining you just don't pay for that next season because he's off the books there but you pay the year before. The year seems to matter unless I'm missing something. Or we are confusing what cap means from an earlier post on remaining balance vs spent money.

 

No, that's the way you are trying to apply it and that is not how it has been presented.

The only differences right now from anyone's total from 2023 to 2024 is that we are showing the immediate rollover cash from last season applied, the accrued penalties applied, and any tags/extensions/forced renegotiations that have been applied. It's meant to reflect the close of business from the year prior and the open window before the beginning of the new season.

When we open business for the current season the players we do not extend will have been taken off of our rosters and off of our books so that we have it reflected on both FF and on our spreadsheet. The rollover totals will increase from the free agency cash not used last season, but the original rollover cash will continue to be applied because it is part of the equation to show the Current Total Cap Hit.

You are looking at it like one number or the other is a set number when you should be looking at them as part of the equation, which is why they are set up on the spreadsheet the way they are.

 

I'm getting ready to hangout with my daughter for a few, so if you guys have some more questions I will get back to them probably early tomorrow.

 

One more question in regards to this Tim.

So no secret, I took the gamble on Skyy Moore thinking he might be the guy, and he just ain't. So I've had him on taxi long enough to meet the cap relief exemption. It's off-season now. But hypothetically, and as a great example, how long would I have to wait now to benefit from the same thing when cutting him?

 

You would have to hold onto him all the way through until you could place him on the PS for another 30 days.

 

@LAOJoe

I took a couple minutes to add in the rollover cash that came from unused funds in 2023.

I'm hoping it helps to clarify things for you as to how the equations work from season to season.

 

@Campbell
Best place to look for free agents is probably on FleaFlicker under the Players tab, correct?

Edit: As a refresher(it’s our first FA really), is there a maximum number of years we can bid on a player, 3-year or 5-year length for example

 

One more interesting tidbit about our FA. And it just occurs to me now that I’m really thinking on the process;
Real life FAs. We don’t know where they’re going to land. So you could try to land a bargain because of that, bidding in February and letting the chips fall. Or you can wait until mid-March when we learn their homes and bid then with more certainty. And there may be 1 or 2 teams who bid on a guy not even realizing he's a real life free agent.

But it’s an interesting nuance to our FA here. That on purpose Tim or just a funky coincidence?

 

It's the only place, because there are simply too many players for us to build a useful resource here.

Per the rules:
3 years is the longest available contract for managers to offer.

More a product of trying to find ways to offer owners the most available options for roster building while working within a confined structure.

Having a longer open window is going to aid different owners in dissimilar cash situations in unique ways.

 

@RTTRUTH @Campbell

I copied this from the FA thread...

Truth said; I hold five picks within the first 25. If anyone is interested, we can start talking at any point.
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First off, how do we know where we are as far as the draft? Ive been drinking and cant figure out where I stand in the Draft. Truth, How the hell do you own 5 picks in the draft up front? I've been trying to determine where I stand in the draft.

 

You can check your picks on your team page on FF:
THUNDER Picks · Worldwide Dynasty Federation · NFL (fleaflicker.com)

The order is fucked up right now because I can't change it from a snake to a linear draft until we hit the 14th, but if you math it up a little you can figure it out...

 

Well I got off to a horrible start. I ended up with the worst record in the league. (don't think my team is quite as bad as that would suggest)
So that's how I came to own picks 1.1 / 2.1 / 3.1

Then because I started so poorly I took Silver & Black up on his offer, where I shipped out Ceedee Lamb but gained Nico Collins, the underachieving Devin White, and what became picks 1.11 and 2.11


Willie, I believe you hold the 9th pick in every round. You made the playoffs, but got eliminated in the semi-final. Then lost the third place game.

 

Consolation games don't count, the same as in the other leagues.

Pretty sure Will has the 8th overall (based on seeding compared to TDW).

 

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Thank you. I'll be checking your roster and everybody else's and considering your draft picks... I need help, lol. maybe we work something out... thanks for the input.

 

Fair, but I still think he'll end up with 9. Unless there's a tiebreaker I don't understand, and then it's 10.

He exited in semi-final round, same as Turn Down for Watt. So they should have picks 9 and 10 in some order. Watt won his division, Will won a wildcard spot.
Watt also seems to have scored more points on the year. So I still believe Willie would own 9

 

Yep, that's my mistake. He would have the 9.

Will entered as a wildcard and beach entered as a division winner.