Trades and Potential Trades

No way in hell would I even consider Evgeny Svechnikov and Andreas Athanasiou in any trade situation. AA has great potential and an unlimited ceiling in my opinion. Just doesnt make sense and I dont think Holland would be so silly or desperate.

 

7.5 in capspace is worth alot and a 54 million floor is going to be easy to attain with many of the low spending teams already having loaded up on dead money. It's going to sting to move that contract. It may be the difference between a playoff appearance and still waiting for the rest of the snow to melt on the courses.

If Kenny is concerned about the postseason, I don't think he lets AA keep him from making the move. I would expect those prospects to be used to help move Howard before Datsyuk though.

 

I would field a roster of ahl players before I traded away young assets just to get rid of dead money for one year.

 

Sounds good on paper...now here's a list of only some of the "good prospects" from the wings that never performed above bottom pair or bottom 6 roles.

Anderson
Emmerton
Mursak
Kindl
Andersson
McCullom
Ferraro
B. Smith
Almquist
Pulkinnen
Jurco

The overwhelming majority of "good" prospects are very replaceable with cheap vets on short term deals (shorter than ELCs btw). If a prospect isn't a lock, and I MEAN LOCK, to be a top 6 or 20 minutes a night dman on a good team, they should be viewed as expendable if that team wants to compete to win. 7.5 worth of capspace is worth a ton to a team trying to win. Is keeping the next Landon Ferraro worth missing a shot in a window?

Now there are other prospects like Sproul, Ouellet, etc. that might be good in a few years. How many years is it worth clogging the system up and waiting. At somepoint they have to be moved.

 

5 years ago, I wouldn't have had the same opinion. So many teams are trying to build their own from the draft. With so many teams doing the exact same thing, trying to get ahead that way is much more difficult than it was in the first 5 years of the cap era.

Time is an undervalued asset. Prospects take time, often multiple contracts over a half a decade. That's fine when a franchise is building a system and an identity, but once that's established, it's a waste of assets.

Consider the number of UDFAs or cheap vets that could have filled most late second round slots. We're talking 2 or 3 players over the same time period, often on a lower cap hit. Sure most bust. We're talking about quantity, which is all that really matters when trying to plug small holes

 

When theres a cap, you can only spend so much, Dan. Pitt and Chicago are 2, and there are others, Rangers for instance, that spend to the cap. The only reason the Sabres are BIG spenders is because they don't have a lot of money on their books right now ( because no player on a bad team deserves a big contract.....It's also a reason why the Hawks have to keep letting decent players go......Because they do have a good players that want more money. When a team gets good, the players start wanting more money every year. And it starts to build over cap space..... *YES*

 

Chicago and NYR spend WAY, WAY over the cap when it comes to salaries.

It's complicated, because of all the one way contracts, but Chicago buries most of the league in terms of actual player salaries for a given year. They take one way contracts back regularly, just because of the dollars, and bury them in Rockford to complete minor trades with other teams.

The cap isn't tied to +/- 8 million of a midpoint anymore. There are going to be teams dealing with cap dollars (big markets like TOR, CHI, NYR,) and teams that deal in real dollars (CAR, AZ, NAS, etc). The rest will be bouncing back and forth (PIT, STL, COL, MIN, for example). I'm guessing Pegula's model will have them in the middle group where they consider total dollars and cap implications instead of just one or the other.

 

Anybody else having trouble here moving around?

Edit: I don't understand and don't follow all that Bob. I don't know how you get around the cap. If so, something needs to be fixed in the cap rules imo......

 

no. im on many threads at once.

 

Well, start with a flippant comment and then find it necessary to actually respond. First, thank you. I really have no idea about business matters. Second, point one is a lie. Third, not all teams adhere to the same cap rules; many have an internal cap lower than league mandates. Fourth, there is more to spending than just on salary, which is codified at 50% of hockey related revenues. Fifth, Terry & Kim Pegula are spending a lot of money, not just on the Sabres. They are investing in hockey (and football) throughout NY & PA. They have built what is probably the finest hockey facility on the planet. Last, my original comment was a fucking joke.

 

Imo the window is now officially closed with Datsyk leaving. I'm not moving AA or others to squeak into the playoffs.

 

Rumours running rampant about PK getting dealt.

 

Looks like Kenny isn't going to rush moving the deal. I would imagine Howard is the bigger concern anyway.

 

shattenkirk rumors around Boston, AZ,

Nothing solid around Bishop
Buffalo's name moving around Fowler
Min is almost definitely shopping some of their numerous good young defensemen
Oil looking at D
Flames looking for a goalie MAF, Bishop, Reimer?

I'm really starting to like what's going on in FLA now that Dale lost the keys.

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Edmonton and defensemen rumors are Lennied up

 

Too many stories to even post but it certainly looks like quite a few teams are trying to make a significant move. I would imagine a few more 6ths and 7ths fly around for some UFA rights coming up.

 

Flames want bishop, yzerman wants to cash in huge.

 

Tim Murray does not appear willing to move #8 in a possible Cam Fowler trade. It does make one wonder what the Sabres would give up.