I'm on layoff this week from job. Friday us #310 Laborers finished shores at the University Hospital new parking garage. Next week it will be on to the mill at LTV. I don't mind the layoff if its only a short time or through the winter. It's part of the job I guess but this week I'll probably get board out of my mind. I saw last week someone was talking about the renovations last year to Brown's stadium. I was there doing concrete restoration. It was awesome. But at least there is some exciting things going on about the Browns. I just heard Adam Shecter on ESPN talking about trading Little and Gordon. He said it wasn't a matter of fire sale but improving the talent on the team. Gordon is talent if you ask me. But who I'm I? For Gordon I want no less than a 2nd. rd. alone.
I agree, no trading of Gordon...However, if a trade was entertained, it would be for no less than a 1st imho..He has already outplayed his 2nd round pick, so to take anything less than a first would be baseless...Hard to believe you replace his talent with another 2nd rounder, and would be spinning your wheels to try. Every player has risk/reward and he is no different. All we can hope at this point is he is afraid of losing what he has and straightens up. It is still worth the risk based on the fact we have seen his talent against NFL caliber players. As we know all too well, that replacement 2nd rounder is a major crap shoot whether he will be able to contribute.
WAHOOO!!!!! *DRINK* *DANCE* *YAHOO* *DRINK* I admit I am surprised. The Browns Players played well yesterday? I believe the trade this week put everyone on notice and they responded. *OK* Let's hope they keep it up. IMHO Hoyer IS NOT exponentially better than Weeden. Admittedly he does have better touch on the ball. He still made some awful throws including 2 of the 3 picks went directly to a Purple Jersey and no White ones in the area of the throw. Good thing the Defense bailed him out on both throws by getting turnovers and preventing MIN from scoring. The real improvement in the offense was Gordon returning and playing like a #1 receiver. I think he may get it now with the T-rich trade. Everybody was put on notice and they responded. More creative/aggressive play calling by the coaching staff helped as well. I mean who leaves the TE uncovered in a FG situation. That goes all the way back to HS FB? Great call and play. The O-line still blows at this point, yes fewer sacks, but I?ll give that to [gulp] Hoyer being a bit more mobile than Weeden. Still need a RG. Schwartz played better with Greco next to him last year. The running game DID not improve one IOTA? In fact I believe it looked worse. *HELP* The rush defense is for real this year. Thanks Ray *THUMBSUP* . Holding AP to less than 100yds, when he has been known to run all over the Browns in the past. Great job. They?ll need ot do a better job of not letting the middle of the pocket open up and allowing the QB to get those easy yards and TD?s. > Buster Skrine got shit ass lucky on that one play that should have been a TD early in the game. We still need a corner or 3. The Jury is still out. IF Hoyer can put 8 checks in the win column I?ll admit I?m wrong. Until then he?s not vast improvement over Weeden. How well would he have done w/out Gordon in the lineup? IMHO that was the biggest boost to the offense. The best thing is that THE BROWNS WON!!!! *DRINK*
Fixed it... This needs to be clarified... McGahee certainly didn't look any better...but when you take into account the rushing gameplan Through week two the rushing average for this teams was 3.39 ypc, which consisted of Trent Richardson and Weeden, trent by himself was 3.39 ypc, so Weeden's two runs really didn't effect it in any way. Week three depends on whether you count the rush from the punt fake...however both ways calculated showed an increase in efficiency: Including the punt fake was 6.05 ypc Take out the punt fake still 4.31 ypc Any way you look at it though, I'm not sure you could adequately say it looked worse.. TRich's longest run on the season to date was 10 yards (1) and another that was 9 yards (1)... yesterday's game alone we had runs of Ogbonnaya 21 yards, McGahee 9 yards, Gordon 22 yards and if you want to count it, 31 yards from Aubrey's punt rake. So it isn't one guy, but rather using multiple options to unbalance the defense to create rushing that plays to your advantages. If you want to take it one step further in evaluating the trade..TRich yesterday received about average amount of carries he was getting in Cleveland and ended with a long run of 7 yards and an average of 2.69 ypc We will have to follow this through the end of the season. But, you can't take McGahee vs. TRich on this, you must account for the Browns rushing (which will be committee going forward as Banner positioned in his presser) against TRich...AND MORE IMPORTANTLY the first round pick we get in 2014 on top of that assessment. I think this is what I am MOST excited about this season. We are not getting gouged for 15 yard carries repeatedly throughout the game...I really like what this front 7 is showing. They are definitely for real! Agreed, the addition of Gordon could be 100% of the increase in passing efficiency...however, what I saw after watching the game twice was Hoyer knowing exactly where he wanted to go before the snap...then if they took it away, he either a) went through progression or b) felt pressure and got rid of the ball...this amounted to no sacks in the game. IMHO that amounts to a better passing game going forward and the reason I am for giving Hoyer a shot.
Your question could change answers every single week Lym, but doesn't it seem like so far this season with a defense like the Browns have, any QB would love to come here knowing the defense will at least give him a chance to win?
OK, I can see your point. I suppose from my perspective I just don't see the Browns powering out wins late in the game late in the year when they need to pound the ball and grind out the clock. It may come, but at this point I'm not seeing it. Perhaps it's just the fact the line doesn't appear to have the ability to open holes in the middle.
I hope this is the "new" standard FG formation. [video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATbxBePSpnc[/video]
I agree 100%, but I don't think that's the game plan anyway. I think they want the defense left wondering where the play is coming from, whether it is a shifty back up the middle, on a screen pass or out at flanker...or a WR across the middle, step back out screen or reverse...These are the plays that will hopefully leave defenses wondering what is coming next in the future...which can utilize a running back by committee backfield and the more coveted power RBs less useful unfortunately. I personally like to see a running game that will punch you in the mouth if they need to. I don't think this regime has that in mind at all.
By Fred Greetham OBR Senior Browns Reporter Posted Sep 23, 2013 Browns coach Rob Chudzinski would not commit Monday to either Brian Hoyer or Brandon Weeden, as the team's starting quarterback for Sunday's game at home against the Cincinnati Bengals. 0 Comments BEREA, Ohio--Although without saying it, it would be a surprise to not see Brian Hoyer at the helm when the Browns take on the Bengals this Sunday at FirstEnergy Stadiium. "I'm going to wait to make any determination on (Hoyer starting) until I have all the information," Chudzinski said when talking about Hoyer's performance. "I thought it was a gutsy performance. He had some turnovers in the second half, I know a couple of throws he would have liked to have back, but that didn't faze him and when we needed him to rise up to the occasion on that last drive, he was able to do that and make the plays, ultimately that helped us win the game." When asked to clarify what he meant about having all the information, Chudzinski responded. "Just find out (Brandon) Weeden's status, really from a process standpoint," he said. "What we do today is just evaluate the previous day's game, coach our guys, go through the corrections and those types of things. Then we'll sit down later today and talk moving forward, in terms of this next's weeks game. We'll find out from a health standpoint of what guy's status are coming up in the next day or two. From a game plan standpoint, on what we think we need to do and make those plans going forward." Last week, Weeden saw a hand specialist and the prognosis was positive and reports said there was a chance Weeden would be able to play this week. "He's made improvement with it," Chudzinski said "Again, we'll see in the next day or two where that's at and see where he is going forward. "Again, I just want to have all the information," he said. "That's how we did it last week and we'll look at it every week and make the best determination of who it is that is going to play at that position as well as any position." Weeden has not thrown a pass since spraining his right thumb on Sept. 15 against the Ravens according to Chudzinski. Hoyer responded in his first start of the season with 30-of-54 for 321 yards, three touchdowns and three interceptions. His rating was 68.5 and helped the Browns put 31 points on the board. If the Browns deem Weeden can use another week of rest, that will defer Chudzinski's decision. "That's ultimately my responsibility," Chudzinski said. "To make the decisions that give our team the best chance and the best opportunity to win as I perceive that and that's what we'll do in this case and in all cases." Hoyer led the Browns to 24 first half points, but then threw three interceptions before rallying the Browns to a game-winning drive in the waning moments. Chudzinski said that the ability to bounce back is big. "It's huge," he said. "You have to be able to do that at that position in this league, no matter what type of game you're having because so many of these games come down to the end and you have to be able to do that and perform at the end and have a short memory of what has happened." Chudzinski was asked about the interceptions and if they are correctable. "They're gong to happen," Chudzinski said. "It's football. You want to eliminate the ones you can do something about. The decisions that maybe you're forcing something or maybe somebody's not there or you misread the coverage. Those are the ones that you want to try and eliminate as much as you can, but if you're going to attack and play the way we're talking about playing there are bad things that occasionally are going to happen in building the mentality that we just move on and keep playing." Chudzinski said he was confident in Hoyer and the offense on the final drive. "That was the belief I had in (Hoyer) and we saw it in the preseason," Chudzinski said. "I know it was the fourth preseason game, but he was able to something very similar in that game. Just looking at the guys eyes on the sideline, the offense, all of them as a group, they believed. When I saw them and talked to them, how much we'd enjoy this after the series was over and we scored the touchdown and the looks I got back from them, I knew we had a great shot (at scoring)." The game-winning drive resulted in Hoyer hitting Jordan Cameron in the corner of the end zone.Cameron was asked what Hoyer was like in the huddle on the final drive. "He was confident," Cameron said. "He was awesome. Very poised. " Cameron was impressed the way Hoyer came back after having a rough third quarter. "That's football. there are peaks and valleys," he said. "He had a rough third quarter, but he bounced back." On the game-winning touchdown pass, Hoyer put the ball where only Cameron could get to it according to Chudzinski. "Guys being accurate is one thing but putting the ball where he receivers can catch it and do things with it after the catch is another." EXTRA POINTS No Gordon Trade: Chudzinski was asked more than once if the Browns plan on trading WR Josh Gordon. "We have no plan on (trading Gordon)." When pressed again if that included WR Greg Little. "We have no plans on any of those trades, I think Joe (Banner) addressed that the other day." Chudzinski was asked if he talked to Gordon or Little amidst reports on ESPN that the pair were on the trading block. "I have not," he said. "I don't really need to because there are no plans. If there was I would talk to (them) if there was an issue I would talk to him. "Otherwise, I've talked to these guys, in general," he said. "The things that are out there, that people say, the rumors, the things that swirl around are all just noise. The reality is what's in that team meeting." Gordon played his first game of the season and had a career-best 10 receptions for 146 yards, including a touchdown. He also ran a reverse for 22 yards. He played 70 of 73 offensive snaps or 96 percent of the plays. Chudzinski was asked how much difference was the offense with Gordon playing. "It's tough to determine the percentage, but there are things we did better as an offense that helped," he said. "Overall, we protected better but as the game went on I think Josh gordon being back, there were a number of factors that factored into our offense improving. We're getting better." Cameron's Day: TE Jordan Cameron caught six passes for 66 yards, including three touchdowns. "I'm just trying to be a play maker," he said. "I'm just happy we won." One of his catches for a touchdown was from P Spencer Lanning, who threw to him on a fake field goal. "It was the worse feeling," Cameron said. "It seemed like the ball was in the air for 30 seconds." Special Day: Chudzinski said he was told that the last time someone punted a ball, kicked an extra point and threw a touchdown pass was in 1968, but that's what P Spencer Lanning accomplished against the Vikings. "Maybe he was a Punt, Pass & Kick Champion as a kid," Chudzinski said. "I put a picture up in a team meeting room of the last extra point," he said. "(After the touchdown), it took me a second or two to realize we have to kick an extra point with Brian (Hoyer) holding and Spencer kicking. I told the team our slogan all week was to do a little bit more and that's what it ended up being (with Lanning)." "That's always our mindset, that's the way I've always been, I think from Day one when I talked to (the media) about what our philosophy is going to be is we are going to attack and be aggressive. some times it's going to work and sometimes it's not." "I have to tell him so he can call it so there's some communication there." You try to find the right time to use them." "A lot of credit has to go to the players for the way they navigated and kept their focus when a lot of things were happening and swirling in that type of week. That credit needs to be shared with the assistant coaches for the job that they did keeping guys focused as the guys responded and the guys played. You watch the tape and there were a lot of guys believing." No Victory Monday: Chudzinski was asked if he gave the Browns Monday off, which some teams do after wins. "Right now, we have too much work to do to have a victory Monday." Third Down Improvements: One of the overlooked stories in the win over the Vikings was when the Browns defense has had trouble getting off the field in the first two games and early in the Vikings game, but they came through when they had to. With 3:32 left in the game and the Browns were down to their last timeout, the Browns forced Christian Ponder to throw an incomplete pass to Greg Jennings forcing a punt. If the Vikings get a first down in that situation, the Browns could only stop the clock two more times. The two-minute warning and with a timeout. But by forcing the punt, the Browns set the stage for Brian Hoyer to lead the Browns down the field for the game-winning touchdown. "We did a much better job on third down," Chudzinski said. Mingo: Rookie LB Barkevious Mingo saw his playing time increase to 54 defensive plays, which was 68 percent of the plays. He was in on only two special teams plays against the Vikings. Mingo picked up his second sack of the season. "It was a great win and a challenge for us," Mingo said. Mingo said the key for the team to stay on task was simple. "We stayed focused." Injury Update: DL Jabaal Sheard (knee), DL Billy Winn (quad) and K Billy Cundiff (quad). Sheard was walking in the Berea facility with the aid of a crutch and a wrap on his left knee.sprain Chudzinski said he'll update the players on Wednesday. He was asked if they need to bring in another kicker. "We'll see how Billy does." Cundiff was in the locker room and was upbeat about his chances.
I sure do miss Marty Ball & the power O . it is a passing league but this is Cleveland dammit . when the weather changes you wont be throwing it all around . you need to be able to beat on teams wear them down both physicaly & mentaly . nothing worse than to get run over & manhandled smacked in the mouth and you cant stop it ..my kinda football not this soft sissy chit . gimme a balanced attack based off the power run game any day of the week .
I'm still moving into the new digs but I wanted to stop in again this morning to get a few more swings taken at me. I brought the Louies, who's on deck?
WOOF WOOF WOOF ..Live & learn Tim . the Browns have not will not quit .just like the best most loyal fan base in all of pro sports .
Griffin gets a son ? and Leinart baby mama drama What do you do when your Heisman-winning baby daddy's NFL career appears to hit a dead end? How about trade him in for new baby daddy that plays in NBA All-Star games and is under contract for almost $100 million? Coming soon to a TV screen near you: The Camerons. The only question is will they be on during live sporting events or as their own reality TV show? Los Angeles Clippers star Blake Griffin revealed Monday that Brynn Cameron gave birth to Griffin's first child, a boy reportedly named Ford Wilson Cameron-Griffin and born on Aug. 1. Griffin confirmed the birth to the Los Angeles Times. "We are very happy to have a healthy baby, but respectfully request to keep our personal affairs private and let us focus on parenting our son," Griffin said in a statement to the Times. But here is where it gets interesting. Cameron, a 27-year-old former basketball player at USC, is also the mother of former USC quarterback Matt Leinart's child, a 6-year-old boy named Cole. Cameron and Leinart dated while the two were at USC, and shortly after their breakup she announced she was pregnant. Drama ensued that ended with Cameron being awarded child support. Multiple reports indicate that Griffin and Cameron are no longer dating. But wait, there's more. Cameron's brother is also a former USC football player -- Jordan Cameron, the Cleveland Browns tight end in the midst of a breakout season that includes three touchdowns in Sunday's win at Minnesota . But wait, there's more. Jordan Cameron is reportedly dating supermodel Erin Heatherton. But wait, there's more. Another Cameron brother, Colby, is like Leinart currently a free-agent QB. He set numerous passing records while at Louisiana Tech and spent time in Panthers camp this summer. Sure, the Mannings have Super Bowl rings, TV shows and rap videos . But their family tree doesn't branch off like this one. And the Griffin-Cameron family knows a thing or two about videos. Check out Jordan's pre-draft promo video.
I dont think it is so much the defense bailing him out...it was him bailing the defense out. Despite the two bad throws, his throws were generally more on target and more catchable. He had fast reads and a faster release. He was able to continually sustain drives and not wear out our own defense. I think last year our defense was underrated because it spent so much damn time on the field from all of the 3 and outs. If it keeps up anything close to this it will be like adding a couple more players to the depth chart because they will actually be able to catch their breath before taking the field again. BTW..anyone else notice Skrin break up 2 passes in the end zone??
Yes, I did. However, I also saw him getting torched more than once along the sideline where the receiver still had room to run downfield.
