Dead horse beating time. Josh Gordon........ well has anything changed? Is he still talented, is he ready to become a man and solid citizen? We've been hearing that he is being a "good boy/man", but then we heard that a year ago too. I get a sense that this suspension made the impression desired. I want to believe he has put his past behavior behind him, recognizing that the short High he had from the one season he did play, is far better than all the highs he's had since, and that football high will never happen again if it doesn't happen now. On the other side is the talent. What has he retained? Unknown, but if that remains, and he can keep his head down, he could be a strong contributor to this team. I'd like to see that happen for him and for us. I firmly believe he will get a lot of attention from the coaches, and they will be very demanding of him, both on the field and off. If he can pass their muster, then welcome back. Or maybe he will fall prey to his demons again, and I'll see him selling cars somewhere, lamenting the loss of what might have been, along with every Browns fan. He's not a kid anymore, and he's had a lot of growing up to do, but I truly hope he has recognized and made the committment to "be" the man he can be. And if he can, I'd like to see him show it in Orange and Brown.
Snow day. Lots of white stuff all around, and no work, so Browns time is abundant. I'm liking what he FO has done so far. I always like focusing on the line of scrimmage and winning in the trenches. The draft now holds the answers to where the FO is focussed this season. Do we get a QB? I expect we will. Whether it is someone they truly believe in, or is just another "potential" guy.... who knows, but I suspect they may be angling for next year to find someone they really believe in, and will take a guy or two this year once they have what they want elsewhere. I'm OK with that, since there appears to no "hands down" QB out there in the draft, and I really dont' want Garrapalo (it's a Belechik thing with me, admittedly). I will always hate Belichek for cutting Bernie loose, when we were in first place and Testeverde was in the hospital. I'd like to have someone other than Kessler and Hogan, and since I expect Osweiller to be moved, they have to get some arms at least. I haven't given up on Kessler, since last year's team was so weak, and I think he can "handle" the team. I don't think he's the answer, but he may be Hoyer for a year.
Appreciate it Ken....I still think "strike one" was a fair analogy....If Hue misses on two more high profile QB signings?....I think we all know what that means...just my take. And NO, I'm not calling RG3 a huge high profile signing....We'll call that one a foul tip, rather than a swing and a miss...How's that? Some people get bent when I blame Hue for bringing us RG3, but either way, I think I'm ready for baseball...
lol, I'm not bent TD, I merely believe he was the only option last year that wouldn't have cost us valuable assets to rebuild this team. Had we taken Wentz, many on these boards would be calling him a bust and we would still be looking for a QB, in the meantime, we wouldn't have: Corey Coleman, Shon Coleman, Cody Kessler, Ricardo Lewis, Derrick Kindred, Spencer Drango and three more draft picks... 2017 #12 overall 2017 #52 overall 2018 Third round draft pick Now...if Kessler turns into a better QB than Wentz, this will be genius...even if he doesn't, barring a top 5 QB scenario with Wentz, this could still be the catalyst to the Browns turn around. RGIII made all of the above a possibility...Hue didn't force him to run head first into defenders instead of sliding, in fact he stated publicly he better learn real fast how to slide or he won't be playing long....well...Hue was right. I simply don't place the blame on Hue for taking a chance that's all. The failing of one RGIII falls on the shoulders of one man...himself
RG3 performed exactly like he did with the Redskins, minus the spectacular....Hue brought him to Cleveland, while many folks across the land criticized it for being a foolish attempt....What else would you call it? Obviously Hue can't physically make RG3 do it differently, but the fact that he's gone, one VERY uneventful year later should tell ya something....This one is on Hue. As an executive decision maker of the Cleveland Browns football team, Hue took a shot at RG3...It's hilarious to me that I've had to defend my little "strike one" analogy this long, but I'm not going to flinch, I promise..... It's not a question of whether it's fair or not. Dude was brought in by Haslam for one major reason... No matter how you slice it, Hue takes responsibility for the somewhat predictable failed RG3 experiment...
....and as I mentioned before. I'm glad Hue took a shot at RG3.....Now we know. I was always a big supporter of Griffin, and when we signed him I was hoping Hue Jackson could have a profound effect... *DONT_KNOW*
Everyone speculated what the Browns' strange trade with Houston might mean. No one bothered to introduce Brock Osweiler. Here's a proper and in some respects surprising introduction. By Steve Doerschuk CantonRep.com sports writer Amid speculation as to how short Brock Osweiler's stay on the Browns' roster might be, no one bothered to introduce Osweiler. What if the Browns keep him? What do they have? First, they have Osweiler on a suddenly less crowded roster, sans Josh McCown and Robert Griffin III. They have a quarterback who measured 6-foot-6 7/8 at the 2012 Combine. Presuming a moderate pounding (50 sacks in 21 NFL starts) has not caused him to shrink, he is the tallest QB in Browns history. At 242 pounds, he might also be the heaviest. A quick refresher on Osweiler's recent history. ? He has spent five years in the NFL after a career at Arizona State. ? He turned 26 in November. ? His 5-2 record as a replacement starter for Peyton Manning in 2015 enticed Houston to give him a four-year, $72 million contract, with $37 million guaranteed. ? Playing ahead of Tom Savage and ex-Brown Brandon Weeden in Houston, he posted a 9-7 record (including two playoff starts) in 2016. ? His 72.2 passer rating in '16 was worse than Weeden's 72.7 in 16 starts for the 2012 Browns. Who is Osweiler, say, relative to potential trade target Jimmy Garoppolo? While his 2016 season hurt him badly, Osweiler stacks up well in several respects. ? Osweiler was a higher draft pick than Garoppolo, No. 57 overall in 2012 vs. No. 62 overall in 2014. ? Garoppolo is barely taller (6-2 1/4 at his Combine) than Hue Jackson's desired minimum, and is regarded as no better in terms of athleticism. ? Whereas Garoppolo boasts three years alongside Tom Brady, Osweiler spent four years with Manning and John Elway. ? Garoppolo is 2-0 in his only pro starts. Osweiler is 13-8. ? Osweiler has as many playoff starts as Garoppolo has career starts. On Jan. 7, Osweiler went the distance in a 27-14 playoff win over Oakland. A week later, he had the Texans in the hunt at New England, trailing 17-13 at halftime. Osweiler wound up throwing three interceptions against the Patriots in a 34-16 loss. Afterward, he told reporters: "Any time you don't end your season with a Super Bowl championship, you're going to be disappointed. And I'm certainly disappointed. It's easy to point out the negative from this year, but there were also a lot of great things that we can certainly build on in the future." The Texans wrote Osweiler out of their future. The critics were doing that by October. At halftime of a Sunday night game against the Colts, NBC analyst Rodney Harrison, was seated next to Tony Dungy near a screen that showed Osweiler failing to spot a wide-open Braxton Miller in the end zone. "Every week we watch tape on the Texans and Brock Osweiler," Harrison said. "I'm trying to find every reason not to say that he's a terrible football player. "He's so hesitant. He just looks bad." The evaluations of Osweiler coming out of Arizona State were good, mostly. An NFL.com's scouting report then: "He has a very deliberate, quick-twitched setup. He slings it naturally. His release is compact and effective. His shining asset is his arm strength. "He is a good leader and looks in control. He has pocket presence and doesn't go down easily." Osweiler spent the first two years of his college career behind Danny Sullivan, then Michigan transfer Steven Threet. In his first big chance, late in his second year, he passed for 380 yards and four touchdowns in a 55-34 rout of UCLA. As a full-time starter in 2011, the team got off to a 5-1 start but then went into a 1-6 skid. He declared for the draft without much of a track record but with emerging pro traits, along the lines of 2016 draft candidate Mitch Trubisky. Trubisky, from Mentor, knows Ohio. Osweiler grew up in Montana, throwing footballs through a tire dangling from a tree. A chart he drew up as a third-grader hung on his bedroom wall, announcing big goals. His part of Montana, in a county with 90,000 residents, wasn't wilderness. He played AAU basketball on a team that traveled all over. He was tall and athletic enough at age 15 to be offered a basketball scholarship at Gonzaga. He said yes. He switched his commitment to Arizona State and its football program later. Former Gonzaga assistant Leon Rice told the Arizona Republic, "Brock did all the dirty work and enjoyed it. On the AAU circuit, some pretty good players didn't want any piece of him, because he would blast right through them." He became a big man on his high school campus, wore Size 17 shoes, did 360 dunks, and drove a black Dodge Durango with "LIL OZ" vanity plates. His high school was in Kalispell, within view of Glacier National Park. His grandfather was a policeman in Great Falls, Montana, where Ryan Leaf played high school ball. Osweiler would be the second former Montana high school quarterback, after Leaf, to start a game in the NFL. Leaf's story turned sour soon after he was a No. 2 overall draft pick in 1998, behind Manning. Osweiler is at a crossroads, presumed to be just passing through Cleveland. The Browns aren't tipping their hand. What if they conclude Osweiler can be the starter in 2016 while a rookie, perhaps Trubisky, is groomed? What if Osweiler surprises? In addition to selling points already enumerated, it should be noted he is comfortable as a cold-weather quarterback. The average low temperature in Kalispell for December is 15 degrees. Granted, Osweiler went cold in Houston, and his last game as a Texan was a stinker against the Patriots. But what about the game he started and finished on Nov. 30, 2015? The opponent was New England. The Broncos trailed Brady and Company 21-7 in the fourth quarter. Then, it was 21-14. Then, Osweiler drove the Broncos 83 yards to a touchdown with a minute left. In overtime, Osweiler diagnosed Bill Belichick's defense well enough to lead another touchdown drive, for the win. New England entered the game with a 10-0 record. It was snowing. And now? It's a speculation storm. What about Osweiler is or isn't a snow job?
...Osweiler DID beat the Raiders in a playoff game last year. Maybe that should be considered? People around these parts are kicking that to the curb rather nonchalantly...Sure the Raiders had injuries, but I'm jus sayin - 40 years of diehard fandom, and I've seen 4 Browns postseason victories...
Ditto. Like you, I wanted to believe that (A) Griffin could be saved, and (B) Hue was a capable QB coach to help develop him and get him back to that Pro Bowl form. Honestly, I support your strike one and, consider how poorly Griffin played under Hue's tutelage as strike two. As I mentioned somewhere else, Hue's track record with QB's isn't very good, despite everything hailing him as some "QB Whisperer". He was 100% on Cody Kessler April 29th, 2016. By March 1, 2017 he was distancing himself as far as he could. It's honestly at the point that whomever he says "that's our guy" about, I would consider not bringing in. I'm gonna go with the analytics on this one. If they let Hue pick the QB and he flops in tremendous fashion, that's strike three.
Eh. The Derek Carr-less Raiders were a shell of the team that started the year so hot. Osweiler's line in that game was 25 attempts (56.0% completion), 168 yards, 1 TD and no turnovers. If we could get Cody Kessler to the playoffs, he could do at least that. What won that game was a phenomenal defense, headlined by a first overall pick at defensive end who was a physical freak and a solid, if not special, running game. Where have I heard that before...
I'm just asking...when did Hue become this great QB guru? Did he all of a sudden make Dalton some stud? Dalton used to get abused on this Browns forum if I recall...as mentioned earlier by SAS, his QBs haven't lit it up EVER...this guy sure gets a lot of credit when he doesn't have a great resume to back it up
Here's Hue's career numbers for his quarterbacks in the NFL: [table][/table] [table][tr][th]Comp[/th][th]Att[/th][th]Cmp%[/th][th]Yards[/th][th]TD[/th][th]TD%[/th][th]Int[/th][th]Int%[/th][th]Y/A[/th][th]Rate[/th][/tr][/table] [table][tr][/tr][/table] [table][tr][td]1,823[/td][td]2,950[/td][td]61.8%[/td][td]21,829[/td][td]124[/td][td]4.2[/td][td]89[/td][td]3.0[/td][td]7.4[/td][td]85.9[/td][/tr][/table] [table][tr][/tr][/table] [table][/table] Not bad, about average and certainly not All Pro numbers. And he never worked with less than a #35 overall pick at the position. In 2016, those numbers would have been good for: Cmp%: 19th Yards/Game: 26th (average of 227.4 per game) TD: t-17th (average of 21 per 16 game season) TD%: 16th Int: t-26th (average of 15 per 16 game season) Int%: 25th Y/A: 14th Rate: 23rd The only place he's better than League Average is yards-per-attempt, which make sense in his vertical-style passing game. Every other metric, he's below average. Oh, and I'm excluding 2016 Cleveland numbers from this.
Oh yeah... [table][/table] [table][tr][th]Stat[/th][th]Browns Rank[/th][th]+/- Hue Avg[/th][th]Browns Stat[/th][/tr][/table] [table][tr][/tr][/table] [table][tr][td]Comp%[/td][td]25th[/td][td]-6[/td][td]59.6[/td][/tr][/table] [table][tr][/tr][/table] [table][tr][td]Yards/Game[/td][td]23rd[/td][td]+3[/td][td]230.8[/td][/tr][/table] [table][tr][/tr][/table] [table][tr][td]TD[/td][td]29th[/td][td]-12[/td][td]15[/td][/tr][/table] [table][tr][/tr][/table] [table][tr][td]TD%[/td][td]32nd[/td][td]-16[/td][td]2.6[/td][/tr][/table] [table][tr][/tr][/table] [table][tr][td]Int[/td][td]19th[/td][td]+7[/td][td]14[/td][/tr][/table] [table][tr][/tr][/table] [table][tr][td]Int%[/td][td]t-23rd[/td][td]+2[/td][td]2.5[/td][/tr][/table] [table][tr][/tr][/table] [table][tr][td]Y/A[/td][td]27th[/td][td]-13[/td][td]6.5[/td][/tr][/table] [table][tr][/tr][/table] [table][tr][td]Rate[/td][td]27th[/td][td]-4[/td][td]77.4[/td][/tr][/table] [table][tr][/tr][/table] [table][/table]
Really? HUE JACKSON Year Age Level Employer Role 1987 22 College Pacific Graduate Assistant 1988 23 College Pacific Graduate Assistant 1989 24 College Pacific Graduate Assistant 1990 25 College Cal State Fullerton Running Backs/Special Teams 1991 26 World League London Monarchs RBs/WRs/Special Teams 1992 27 College Arizona State Running Backs/Quarterbacks 1993 28 College Arizona State Running Backs/Quarterbacks 1994 29 College Arizona State Running Backs/Quarterbacks 1995 30 College Arizona State Running Backs/Quarterbacks 1996 31 College California Offensive Coordinator/QBs 1997 32 College USC Offensive Coordinator/RBs/QBs 1998 33 College USC Offensive Coordinator/RBs/QBs 1999 34 College USC Offensive Coordinator/RBs/QBs 2000 35 College USC Offensive Coordinator/RBs/QBs 2001 36 NFL Washington Redskins Running Backs 2002 37 NFL Washington Redskins Running Backs 2003 38 NFL Washington Redskins Offensive Coordinator 2004 39 NFL Cincinnati Bengals Wide Receivers 2005 40 NFL Cincinnati Bengals Wide Receivers 2006 41 NFL Cincinnati Bengals Wide Receivers 2007 42 NFL Atlanta Falcons Offensive Coordinator 2008 43 NFL Baltimore Ravens Quarterbacks 2009 44 NFL Baltimore Ravens Quarterbacks 2010 45 NFL Oakland Raiders Offensive Coordinator 2011 46 NFL Oakland Raiders Head Coach 2012 47 NFL Cincinnati Bengals Secondary 2013 48 NFL Cincinnati Bengals Running Backs 2014 49 NFL Cincinnati Bengals Offensive Coordinator 2015 50 NFL Cincinnati Bengals Offensive Coordinator 2016 51 NFL Cleveland Browns Head Coach Got his first big break in 96 as a coordinator under Steve Mariucci at Cal...It's not a question of credentials. Hue has a very solid track record. He's known as an excellent communicator and is well liked and respected for his expertise. He's as qualified as anyone to do what he was brought here to do..
That one year he spent in Cincy as a secondary coach is odd though, I must admit....That's the Bengals...
Marvin Lewis liked him so much he put him on his staff in one of the only openings. People definitely seem to like him, no one can take that away.
I don't doubt that at all... As far as Hue's career goes, was just pointing out for stopper that 30 years honing your craft in the industry, while steadily moving up, isn't too shabby for a 51 year old man...
That's great and all but who can he hang his hat on...when I think of QBs and making them great I sure don't think of Hue Jackson...instead guys like Andy Reid, Gruden, etc come to mind
