I could be wrong but pretty sure the cap floor ran from '13-'16 and begins again in '17. So they are in the first year and they only had cash spending of about 70M on the books at the start of the day. So they were about 77M shy of where they needed to be in the first year. Obviously they would have time to make some of that up over the next 3 seasons but assuming they keep Osweiler it helps them reach the goal and if he plays at an okay level he becomes a trade option next off-season if they like. All that is moot of course if what SAS is suggesting transpires.
I didn't think so but I could be wrong. Either way I love the trade unless they just dump him. And then it's not so bad if his contract has offset language. Too many unanswered questions right now. If it's a full guarantee with no offset then they should keep him. they could always bonus out some of the money and trade him again rather than just dumping him. Of course they would need his cooperation in that scenario.
I wonder if they can structure a trade where Team A trades something like a 3rd rounder for Osweiler and take on $6M of his contract? Can the salary be split like that via trade?
Pretty sure the Steelers did something similar with the contract when they traded for that one player a few years ago from...Arizona I think. And if someone gives up a 3rd for Brock, then Cleveland will have suckered two teams on the same player. If that's possible I'll have no negative words for Cleveland until 2019
They could do whatever they want as long as Osweiler is willing to participate. Say they want to trade him to New York and they can get him on board. They could re-write his contract to read 15M signing bonus (paid immediately) and 1M base salary. The Jets would only be on the hook for 1m this year and the remainder of his deal. How much is that worth? Or even crazier... 25M bonus, 1M this year, 8M in year two. How much would that be worth?
BROWNS QB News..Per Cleveland.com To this point, the Browns have favored Mitchell Trubisky over Deshaun Watson, but Watson closed the gap some with a sensational combine, and still has two more chances to impress the Browns in a private workout and a visit to Cleveland. One or both might fall to the Browns at No. 12, but if one goes off the board in the top six, the Browns have the ammunition to move up and grab the other. As for Osweiler, he doesn't fit Jackson's criteria for his franchise quarterback: arm talent, processing speed and face-of-the-franchise ability. He finished 27th in completion percentage last season and was tied for 25th with 16 interceptions. He was benched for the final two games despite the fact the Texans signed him to a four-year, $72 million contract, including $37 million guaranteed. The Browns currently have Osweiler, Cody Kessler and Kevin Hogan on their roster. Soon, Osweiler will be gone, and one or two new names will be added to the list.
Yeah, don't ya remember? The earth moved... From NFL.com, March, 2016 In a recent meeting that included a number of team executives, Cleveland Browns coach Hue Jackson explained with wide eyes to those in attendance, including owner Jimmy Haslam and his wife, what he saw during a private workout from Robert Griffin III last week. Jackson explained how, at one point when Griffin rolled out in a full sprint to throw a pass, "it felt like the Earth moved beneath my feet," according to team sources. He told them how Griffin's accuracy in passing drills was "freakish." It was surreal and special. It was everything you remember from 2012 -- and everything you have forgotten since. And while the Browns owner by no means calls the shots on roster decisions in Cleveland (executive vice president Sashi Brown has that power), it is widely understood within the organization that Jackson understands quarterbacks as well as anyone. So Haslam looked toward the execs and spoke three definitive words: Go Get Him.... *NO* What else can we call that for Hue, besides Strike one?
As we all know, there is a huge difference between throwing in shorts and getting behind a line and doing it after all his injuries. I don't doubt he looked like the RGIII of old when there was no pass rush scaring the crap out of him. It was a one year experiment to see if he could regain his confidence..It was a failed experiment on his part, not sure how that falls on Hue... But whatever, it's easier to blame the coach than the player who has lost his fearlessness. Im not saying Hue is the man, he hasn't proven anything yet either, I'm just saying RGIII has lost his edge and his career is over. Other than taking Wentz, I don't know that the Browns had any other options than that failed experiment a year ago. Not to mention...Does anyone REALLY believe we wouldn't be talking about this front offices ineptitude had they drafted Wentz? If he had been drafted, do we all think this franchise is magically improved over what the dumpster fire we witnessed was? Wentz would be routed a total bust and this front office being burned at the stake...It's what this franchises fans do after one season of anything...After 2007, they were going to the Super Bowl, every coach that has a losing season after year one of a rebuild needs fired... Let's give this thing a chance to succeed or fail
Relax Irish, all I said was "strike one". Nobody is calling for Hue to be fired. You jumped to a lot of conclusions there on Wentz that I'm not sure about, but anyway... I think most Browns fans understand that this is a new regime, and they need some time....Hue was brought here to identify a QB for this franchise, and the first guy he liked enough to convince the owner to go after was Robert Griffin...Plain and simple. If you want to call the RG3 experiment something else, or blame somebody else, be my guest...It seems pretty clear to me that it's on Hue... Do Browns fans owe apologies to somebody for being excited after the 2007 season?
I think blaming Hue for RGIII is like blaming Terry Francona when one of the yearly reclamation projects doesn't have a big league impact. RG returning to form/catching lightning in a bottle was probably the best opportunity for a qb. Hell, a season of bad RG would have been no different than McCown/Kessler. Hue took a shot. I bet he saw a glimmer and thought he could help him. He went in to full coach mode and publicly tried to instill confidence back into a broken, timid,scared, shell of a qb. Same thing he did with Kessler. He is toeing the company line IMHO. Taking the heat off the FO and trying to build these guys up before they're broken by the sacks, hits, and losing. I bet the plan was to gamble on RG to use him as an asset if he had a marginal season as they had their eye on someone thisornext year. I think this FO really does have a long leash to work this slow build plan. Step one was to go into asset accumulation mode, a la David Griffin. There is much more to come and I dont even think Hue is inthe batters box yet let alone in it with a strike against him
A glimmer? If that's the case, why utter things like "I felt the earth move under my feet, when he ran that roll out pass"?? Like you said, Hue took a shot... Most people seemed to think it wasn't a great signing to begin with, and then he comes here and pretty much performs on the field as advertised... I'm not calling for Jackson's head. I think he's a good man for this job. I'm simply saying he missed on that one... I'm glad he took a shot at somebody....Gotta keep trying. The RG3 plan didn't work.
The Browns need a franchise quarterback. Those six words have been true pretty much since the team returned to Cleveland in 1999. Yes, they?ve drafted what they thought were franchise quarterbacks -- Tim Couch, Brady Quinn, Brandon Weeden and Johnny Manziel -- but for various reasons, none came close to fulfilling those hopes. It?s why the Browns signed Robert Griffin III last offseason (he was released last week), and it?s why they?d love to swing a deal for Jimmy Garoppolo, the Patriots backup behind Tom Brady who has thrown a grand total of 94 NFL passes. But with New England reportedly uninterested in moving Garoppolo -- save for this insane trade -- Cleveland will have to look to other means for finding a passer. Brock Osweiler, while technically a passer, isn?t a solution, either in the short or long term. And neither is Geno Smith. But the Browns have the No. 1 and No. 12 picks in the first round of the 2017 NFL Draft and it stands to reason that they could certainly address the position there. In our latest mock draft (which came out before free agency began), we have the Browns taking pass rusher Myles Garrett first overall and then bolstering the defensive line with Jonathan Allen 11 picks later. But should Cleveland take a quarterback, North Carolina?s Mitchell Trubisky would be an option. The Ohio native is the top quarterback, according to CBSSports.com?s Big Board. And ?Monday Night Football? color commentator and former NFL coach Jon Gruden thinks Trubisky could handle the pressure of playing for the hometown team. ?That would be fun to watch,?? Gruden told Cleveland.com?s Mary Kay Cabot. ?He?s from Mentor, Ohio, Mr. Football (in Ohio) that would be quite a story. I showed him a lot of tape today of (Ohio native) Ben Roethlisberger. ?I showed him a little tape of Joe Flacco. World Champion quarterbacks in the AFC North, and the one thing the Cleveland Browns have not been able to solve is the quarterback and I think he could handle it. I also know that it would be a lot of pressure. They have to give him better support than they have right now, I know that.?? At 6-2, Trubisky is short by prototypical NFL QB standards, and he has just one year as a starter in college, which is a concern for some evaluators. That includes Gruden, who was an offensive coordinator before he became a head coach. ?I?m no different than a lot of coaches that say ?I want a three-year starter,? he said. ?I want a minimum of 24 victories. I want two bowl wins.? (But) I want a good quarterback. That?s what I want. I got kicked out of the league because I had a hard time sustaining at the quarterback position. Trubisky is one of the top quarterback prospects in this draft, period. I wish I had more to study but that?s the way it is.?? Gruden added: ?There?s a lot to like. He?s a quick study, he learns fast, it?s really important to him, he loves football and he?s mature. He is a finisher at North Carolina. He never quit, he was a backup, he waited three years for his opportunity, and trust me, he?s going to be a real steal for somebody.?? Whether that?s the Browns or another quarterback-needy team remains to be seen.
I agree with you TD, Hue has on strike against him with RGIII. I also agree with Irish that it isn't even close to being fatal. QB is a dice roll most of the time, or there is a Andrew Luck, who is Just that good. Wentz wouldn't have made a difference, unless you think 2 or 3 wins is enough of a difference to make a stink about. Odds are, he would have been labeled a bust, in large part because of the team surrounding him, and that he would become one due to the beatings he would have taken. This year I feel differently. I "expect" the O line to be in the top half, maybe even the top 1/4 of the league's lines. I expect the running game to be in the top half as well, and thus I believe we have a chance to see a QB learn and grow, while keeping his physical well being. Last year was a mess, with the incredible youth, and slate of injuries that once again derailed the team. I believe the depth we have acquired for the O line will pay big dividends and that we will find some of the young guys we suffered with last year grow up and become solid contributors. The QB question remains an open one, but whoever gets the ball, is going to have some legit protection and support. Losing Pryor was a blow, but let's hope the FO gets the performace from Britt they want and Coleman turns the corner. It could be a "fun" year where Cleveland surprises the league. Here's to something to bark about this season. Set em up Duff, I'm buying.
