Well u saw him 4 half a season...he is worth $12.5M? I don't think any team wuld have paid him that...I didn't see a guy stand out or make any game changing plays...I thought Kirksey played better when they were both on the field
What I think he's worth is irrelevant. His market value was $11.7 million. That's simply the going rate for Pro Bowl caliber linebackers. I thought Collins was a mixed bag in his eight games with the Browns. He showed productivity and flashed his Pro Bowl potential, but he was on a bad defense that played a ton of snaps due to offensive ineptitude and he was playing in a different position. If he performs up to his contract (or better) he'll be worth every penny. If he fails to live up to the deal, the Browns will cut ties. If Paul Kruger was worth $8 million four years ago, then yeah, Collins is easily worth north of $12. Outside of the rookie deal, starters are going to get paid in the NFL.
MOBILE, Ala. -- Hue Jackson is still on a nationwide search for his starting quarterback, and doesn't know if he'll come from this draft. Furthermore, he hasn't written Robert Griffin III off yet, despite that most folks assume he's gone. "That's interesting,'' said Jackson. "Who made that announcement? I didn't." So, it's premature to speculate that Jackson's pet project from last season won't be back for his second season? "Everything's premature right now,'' he said. "You guys haven't heard that from me. So I wouldn't read into any of that. My job is to continue to evaluate and look just like I told you guys I would. I haven't come to any conclusions. Everybody else can jump to those conclusions but we're going to keep looking at this thing. "It's too important to our football team, to our fan base, to our organization. We've got to make the right decision. We've got to make the right decision. We've got to get that part of it right, and I plan on doing that." Likewise, he said the Browns haven't yet determined who their No. 1 overall pick will be. "It's a little early,'' he said. "There's still a lot of work to do to make those kinds of decisions." He won't commit to finding his franchise QB in this draft. The top prospects are Deshaun Watson, Mitch Trubisky and DeShone Kizer, none of whom are participating in the Senior Bowl. The Browns will also consider signing free agents and/or trading for veterans such as Jimmy Garoppolo and Tony Romo. "It could (come from this draft),'' he said. "It could come from a lot of different ways. I don't want to get pigeonholed into just one way. There's a lot of different ways it can come as we continue to move forward." Regardless of where he comes from, Jackson knows it's job No. 1 to find and/or develop a championship-caliber QB. All one need do is look at the conference championship games to see that a premier QB is what it takes to go deep in the playoffs. "We've got to have a quarterback that plays winning football for us, and that's what we're going to do,'' he said. "We're going to find that guy. We're going to find a guy that can win for us, and that's what we have to do. That's my job. That's what I came to Cleveland for, and I'm not going to stop till we get that guy." On a day in which Steelers QB Ben Roethlisberger hinted at the end of his career approaching, Jackson acknowledged that he hasn't had the quarterback play to compete in the AFC North. "It's stopping us from being where we want to be,'' he said. "We haven't established that guy yet. We haven't established who he is. Until you can do that, then I think we can make the next jump. So that's what we're trying to do. It's going to be a great off-season. We have free agency and we have the draft coming, so there's going to be a lot of opportunity for us to evaluate and make good decisions about what to do for our football team." Jackson stressed that the departure of Pep Hamilton to Michigan wouldn't crimp the quarterback evaluation process. "I coached the quarterback, met with the quarterback, called the offense's plays, so I think we're making more of this than what it is,'' said Jackson. "I came here to coach that position and get it better, and I plan on doing that. ... We're going to do it collectively as a group. But hopefully we're going to lean on my expertise and what I need at that position to win." By the same token, he has total faith in Greg Seamon to tutor the quarterbacks. "He coached me (at Pacific), so I know what I'm getting there,'' he said. "The person that coaches that position, you've have to have a lot of trust because it's like my baby and at the end of the day I know what I want it to do and how I want it to be and I know Greg will do exactly that. "I'm standing here today because of Greg Seamon. He helped me as a quarterback see the game better, understand the game better, but he also made me a tough individual playing the game under him. He's really driven. He gets guys to play well for him. I know that."
Is Hugh letting the fact that he brought RGIII in, cloud his vision? Griffin repeated his history once again last season: Played spotty, looked confused, and took on too many hits unecessarily, resulting in injury, yet again. Like most humans, he's not getting any younger, or better IMO, so what's to like? As a mentor, give me McCown any day over RGIII. Much more sophisticated in his play than Griffin. Methusala, I mean McCown could work for me as a QB coach, mentor, whatever. That still leaves us without a QB, or with only Kessler. Kessler wasn't terrible, as a rookie, but won't excite anybody, or strike fear in the heart of any D, but was OK. That doesn't mean he should, or even could be "the man", but he's the only solid QB under the age of 35 or more durable than a leaded wine glass, so becomes the "base" QB until Hugh makes some moves, which should be Job 1. Between RGIII and McCown there's maybe 3 games in them before they are out again, in a cast, so they don't really make much sense as backups. Kessler right now is your starter, until and unless Hugh makes us better, then it's who's #2, and #3. Given our 5 QBs per year use, he has to shore that up too. Good news!? The O line "should" be at/above league average, with Bitonio coming back. With Greco, Thomas, and Bitonio, we only need adequate guys to fill in the gaps, and a season of relative calm with injuries. Then the run game, which IMO is good, not great, we can do battle. WR is a question mark largely due to Coleman's "in and out of the line up" first season. TE is nothing to write home about, but, if that's our biggest concern, I'm OK with that.
Is Hugh letting the fact that he brought RGIII in, cloud his vision? Griffin repeated his history once again last season: Played spotty, looked confused, and took on too many hits unecessarily, resulting in injury, yet again. Like most humans, he's not getting any younger, or better IMO, so what's to like? As a mentor, give me McCown any day over RGIII. Much more sophisticated in his play than Griffin. Methusala, I mean McCown could work for me as a QB coach, mentor, whatever. That still leaves us without a QB, or with only Kessler. Kessler wasn't terrible, as a rookie, but won't excite anybody, or strike fear in the heart of any D, but was OK. That doesn't mean he should, or even could be "the man", but he's the only solid QB under the age of 35 or more durable than a leaded wine glass, so becomes the "base" QB until Hugh makes some moves, which should be Job 1. Between RGIII and McCown there's maybe 3 games in them before they are out again, in a cast, so they don't really make much sense as backups. Kessler right now is your starter, until and unless Hugh makes us better, then it's who's #2, and #3. Given our 5 QBs per year use, he has to shore that up too. Good news!? The O line "should" be at/above league average, with Bitonio coming back. With Greco, Thomas, and Bitonio, we only need adequate guys to fill in the gaps, and a season of relative calm with injuries. Then the run game, which IMO is good, not great, we can do battle. WR is a question mark largely due to Coleman's "in and out of the line up" first season. TE is nothing to write home about, but, if that's our biggest concern, I'm OK with that.
I don't think so. I believe it is more of the political aspect of being head coach, he doesn't have another option at this point, so there really isn't anything else to talk about. It isn't his job per se to acquire talent, so as much as he tells them what he needs, until they bring someone in, he needs to tow the line of who they already have. Nothing more, nothing less. I also believe he has seen enough to know he is ready for an upgrade over RGIII and would happily move on, if the front office can provide him with someone to take RGIII's roster spot.
Jamie Collins should be the centerpiece of the Browns defense Fred Greetham Yesterday at 4:38 PM With the signing of linebacker Jamie Collins to a long-term contract, will Gregg Williams make him the center piece of the defense? I applaud the Browns for re-signing Jamie Collins.? I have been critical in the past of the Browns of not identifying players in their prime leaving through free agency and playing well with other teams. Last year, the loss of Mitchell Schwartz, Travis Benjamin and Tashaun Gipson to free agency were mistakes by the front office, especially that of Schwartz. Benjamin and Gipson were losses mainly because they didn't have players to take their place. Alex Mack's ability to leave was due to former front offices not signing him to an extension earlier in his career. In previous years, players like Jabaal Sheard, T.J. Ward and Buster Skrine were allowed to leave and performed well on other teams.? When the Browns acquired Collins at the trade deadline from the Patriots, I didn't think the Browns would be able to keep him unless they used the franchise tag after they traded for him. To me, it looked as though Bill Belichick was banishing Collins to the Siberia of the NFL to get something for him before he left via free agency. The narrative on Collins at the time of the trade was that he was demanding Von Miller-type money and that he "free lanced" too much. The Browns signed Collins to a reported four-year contract for approximately $50 million, including $26 million guaranteed.? Who knows if the Browns overpaid or not, but the Browns have been stockpiling salary cap space for a while now and it's time to start spending some of the money. I have to admit while watching the AFC championship game last week, I saw the Patriots really didn't miss Collins. A team with a proven system like New England can plug in players and they know their definitive roles. However, for a team like the Browns, Collins was arguably one of their best defensive players, if not the best. Collins is just 27 years old and made the Pro Bowl after the 2015 season. He just finished his fourth NFL season and played in just eight games for the Browns, including every defensive snap in six of the eight games. Despite playing in just eight games, Collins finished third on the team in tackles and had 10 or more tackles in three games.? The Browns addressed more than one problem by retaining Collins. If there was a player in the first round in the upcoming draft like Collins available, I think most Browns fans would sign up for that. With that said, since they retained Collins, they can use free agency or those draft picks on other players to address other needs.? Many Browns fans might assume that if Belichick gave up on Collins, he must know something others do not. Although not mentioning any names, Gregg Williams made it a point to talk about a player that was cast off from Belichick's system that turned into a solid player for the Rams defense. Patriots 2014 first round draft pick, defensive lineman Dominique Easley was released by Belichick before the 2016 season and joined the Rams.? "I just left at the Rams," Williams said. "I really do, and I feel for their hearts. We were pretty good on defense. What people do not realize ? everybody says that roster was so great - we dressed on defense eight undrafted free agents, four more that were in the sixth and seventh round. We had a few guys up front out of the first round, but we had one first rounder that Coach Belichick said he did not want him anymore. "It is funny to see the, when we did all the background on that and as you guys the background told us totally different on what kind of a person he was, and he is one of my favorite guys I have ever had a chance to coach," he said. "Why? Because he can defend himself in a verbal argument. He has fun teasing but he can flat play too, so I miss those guys already." Jackson said the Browns have big plans to utilize Collins' talent, whether as an inside linebacker or outside.? "There's a lot of things we know he can do and we'll give him an opportunity to do that," Jackson told Cleveland.com at the Senior Bowl. "Coach Williams has a very diverse system that's going to put him in a lot of different places to make plays for him, and I think Jamie's up to that." It might be no coincidence that Williams was thinking of the possibilities of having Collins in his defensive system. Williams might be able to put together a role for Collins to be one of the better defensive play makers in the league. Most observers feel there are some pieces on the defense that Williams can build around, including up-and-coming young players like Christian Kirksey, Danny Shelton, Emmanuel Ogbah, Jamar Taylor among others. If they can add a Myles Garrett or Jonathan Allen to the mix up front to free Collins up, along with a playmaker or two in the secondary, the defense might be able to turn things around, sooner than later
Double whammy by 2017............. ?Today, beloved icon, Mary Tyler Moore, passed away at the age of 80 in the company of friends and her loving husband of over 33 years, Dr. S. Robert Levine. A groundbreaking actress, producer, and passionate advocate for the Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation, Mary will be remembered as a fearless visionary who turned the world on with her smile,? her rep Mara Buxbaum told The Huffington Post in a statement.
Missed this one from the other day. Back when I got into watching wrestling with my cousin back when we were 10-12 yrs old, used to love this guy.
One of the first wrestling matches I ever watched was this one with Snuka leaping off the top of the cage. [video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlL-rQPKgh4[/video]
That's a good one, Bluez. Let me put a another dime in the DPL jukebox and play one of my favorites..... [video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szdKx9O31A0[/video]
During his daily Senior Bowl press briefing Wednesday, Browns coach Hue Jackson told reporters that finding a quarterback is ?imperative? for his team and promised that?s atop the team?s to-do list. As for whether that quarterback will come atop the 2017 NFL Draft, Jackson said those discussions are really just beginning. ?I think you go through the process, and I know everybody doesn?t like me using that term,? Jackson said, per the Akron Beacon Journal. ?I think you have to go through it and weigh what?s best. Who is the best player? We haven?t determined that. Is the best player a defensive end? Is it a quarterback? Is it a defensive back? I don?t know yet until you can evaluate them all and line them all up and see where they are and see what?s best. ?We all a know a quarterback is very important to our football team. But is he the best player? We?ve got to find that out. We need to put one on our team. We?re going to find one. I promise you guys that. We?re going to do that. I think that?s imperative. I think we all know that, and that?s what we?re going to accomplish.? The Browns pick at No. 1 and No. 12 in the first round of this year?s draft, then hold three more picks between Nos. 33-65. Though Jackson said he ?[could not] disagree? with the notion that a top NFL quarterback is more valuable than an elite defensive player, he said that ?will be the debate? as the team narrows and finalizes its draft plans over the next three months. As for now, he said everything is on the table ? including pre-draft trades involving a veteran quarterback and/or the possibility the Browns end up packaging some of those picks to move up or even down. ?Everything for right now is going to be negotiable and talked about,? Jackson said. ?Until we sit down and talk about where we are and what we?re trying to do, then will we know. We haven?t had those discussions. I think right now we?re just in the beginning phases of all of it. We?ve got a long way to go before we get to that decision.?
Doesn't sound like Hue "trusts himself" on that Kessler pick all of a sudden. Now it sounds like we've got a competent back-up (that you paid a third-round price tag for), an injury-prone reclamation project, an injury-prone veteran who's better served as a QB mentor/coach, and a white zone-read scrambling QB.
2017 strikes again! This time we lost Mannix: Mike Connors, best known for playing detective Joe Mannix on 1960s and ?70s show ?Mannix,? died Thursday in Tarzana, Calif. He was 91. He had been diagnosed a week ago with leukemia, according to his son-in-law Mike Condon. ?Mannix? ran for eight seasons from 1968 to 1975 and was the last series from Desilu Productions. Connors won a Golden Globe for his performance as a tough, athletic investigator, who in quintessential detective show style, insisted on doing things his own way and often got beat up in the process. He drove an impressive series of muscle cars including a Dodge Dart and Chevrolet Camaro. Desilu president Lucille Ball convinced CBS not to cancel the show despite initial poor ratings, and it caught on after being retooled into a somewhat more conventional detective series. Mannix?s secretary, played by Gail Fisher, was one of few African-American actresses on TV at the time. ?Here?s Lucy? produced a crossover episode in 1971 with Connors and Ball, called ?Lucy and Mannix Are Held Hostage.?
I know we say every year that THIS is the key draft for the Browns, but this year I believe it has merit. The Cleveland Browns FO has set this thing up nice. All they have to do now is hit on all these premium selections that they have amassed....All the picks are important, but since I haven't studied that deep into the draft yet, here is how I'd like to see things go in the first couple rounds.... #1. Myles Garrett DE TEX A&M .....don't overthink it. Take the best player. #12 Corey Davis WR WMU.....We need more weapons. I truly believe Davis could open things up for the Browns offense in a major way #33 Sidney Jones CB WASH......step one in the much needed revamp of the secondary. Ball hawking CB that will stick his nose in on run support. Great cover man that knows how to tackle...A steal at top of 2nd rd.... #52 Justin Evans S Tex A&M....A huge step #2 in the secondary fix. I like him better than Peppers. Hard hitter that will set the tone. Sort of reminds me of the guy that we never should have let get away in the first place, T.J. Ward.... #65 Ethan Pocic C LSU .....and the Cam Erving at Center nightmare mercifully comes to an end as the Browns get the best center in the draft in the top of the 3rd... No QB yet...I'm thinking Browns aren't sold on the top QB's and wisely they have decided to get immediate impact at other positions...Maybe we address QB in free agency?
Very solid draft, top dawg! I am nervous about Pocic... Hue & Co. seemed to really like him - they played him extensively at center and guard in the Senior Bowl. I am just hesitant about tall centers - especially after Erving struggled. Erving measured 6'5" and Pocic measured 6'6"... that's damn tall for a center.
