I'm not going to sit on my couch and second guess the man who got us here in the first place very much..but I agree stopper, in that situation, how does the minute chance that a ball gets hit perfectly to right field, which is the only reason for the change, to force a throw home....out weigh Coco's experience and bat for the remainder of the game? Regardless, great coach, great season, GREAT TEAM!!! I love you CLEVELAND!!
Well..........at least we know our Cleveland Curse is better than some dumb billy goat curse. So we've got that going for us. That and Stopper......... Thanks Tribe for a great season and a helluva playoffs and WS ride. *DRINK*
Our season?!?!?! When the hell have you ever been a vocal Tribe fan? You didn't start saying anything about Indians baseball this year (or any year prior to be matter of fact about it) until they lost to the Jays and then it was only to troll on our board and here you are doing it again. Phuque off!!!!! You aren't welcome here. Go the hell away!!!!! Edit: P.S. Yes, that's my -1 I gave you for yet another asinine troll comment.
There weren't any comments bout the Tribe since this is the Browns message board....yes been a fan since my boy Andre Thornton....I dont give a rats a$$ bout any -1 and u have no clue bout a troll or any other word u want to use....u get upset bout any negative posts cause u think ur a TRUE fan....that doesnt mean anything....Im a realist and dont try and sugar coat anything when it comes to sports....Im a huge FSU fan and I wuldnt give our DC a pot 2 pi$$ in cause he BLOWS!!!
Again with the lack of reading comprehension. This is the DPL. We talk about everything whether it's football or other sports or just off-topic. We've been talking about the Tribe off and on for years......and you haven't until after the loss to the Jays. Had to look up some relevant player from the past just to try to "prove a point"? I must compliment you on your use of Google (or Bing). As for just tossing out a player's name who was about the only really good player on the roster isn't much. But kudos for being a fan.......(eye roll). And yet every time someone calls you out and coincidentally you earn a few -1's, you have the narcissistic need to have the last word on the matter. Example - here we are yet again with the old "no, I'm not" response. Who's the one who's been banned before for being a douchy little troll? Not any of us. I think the only name on that list is yours. No, I don't get upset when people say negative things. Everyone is entitled to their own viewpoint when they have a reason. Typically, unlike your modus operandi, we all try to point out why rather than just base everything on an unfounded opinion. That's pretty much your forte, not anybody else's. We may not agree a lot but that's because you aren't a true fan. A true fan doesn't make a negative post EVERY SINGLE TIME As you haven't noticed, we are all quite negative lately. But guess what, the rest of us actually acknowledge that a few of these new players might be better than we all thought. And guess what else? We actually discuss something about the positives (and yes, they are few) instead of incessantly bashing the team to no end. By the way, that is the very definition of an internet troll. You brought the hat, you might as well wear it. No, you're not a realist. You're just a real ass. You don't discuss, you just bash. Over and over and over........... So again......Phuque off!!!!!!!! Go find somebody else's sandbox to piss in.
LMAO, and I thought I've been harsh to stopper in the past... Look stopper, I can't disagree with any of Duff's post. I'm not sure though, that you even understand what you do...if you do, then you are truly the definition of internet troll, so just wear it like a badge and be prepared to be hit hard right back when you come in here.... If you really don't understand, then I feel bad for you because that means your life is probably miserable and you don't know how to see the positive in anything. I really hope you can get that turned around because positive energy is so much more productive than negative. Once you start building on a positive attitude, many doors to happiness will open up for you.... OK, enough psycho mumbo jumbo...time to move on to how the Browns are going to beat the Cowboys this week, since we don't have the Tribe as a distraction any longer....How about...GO CAVS!!
The Browns can beat the Cowboys, but it won't be easy....Jaime Collins will help the defense for sure, but unless he's Superman, I'm not sure we can slow down Zeke. Our best bet to pull out a win is to beat them in a shootout. Kessler or McCown must get the ball vertical on their depleted secondary. Barnidge, Pryor and Coleman all have to play effective roles... ...but yeah, as hard as this team fights, I think they can win any given Sunday. They don't catch any breaks ever. Maybe that will turn around in the second half. I still hold the refs responsible for two of our early season losses, but eventually these Browns will figure out how to finish....
And I believe Stopper knows exactly what he's doing. The majority of his posts are the very definition of trolling...He reminds me of my ex boss's son. No real positive contributions EVER. He just lives to stir shit and get under people's skin. Right now it's Doug, but last month it was me, and the month before that it was Irish. lol! and so on...C'mon. It's obvious that Stopper knows what he's doing. He see's a sore spot and he brings the salt. That's what he does. He enjoys that. He's a mojokiller... Dude's ideal job in life would be as a "cooler", in a Las Vegas Casino. Some guy is on a hot streak playing cards and having the time of his life, winning big - NO PROBLEM FOR THE CASINO- just switch the dealer to Stopper, and watch it all fall apart. lol! He'd be under the card players' skin in a matter of minutes, just snuffing the hell out of whatever mojo the dude had going, until they got every last chip back, and the guy stomps away without his shirt.... And Stopper would be smiling, a shrugging his shoulders, saying, "I wonder what made him so mad?"....
Why Browns' Joe Thomas is happy he wasn't traded to a contender GREG A. BEDARD 2 hours ago It seems to make little sense that an elite player like Browns LT Joe Thomas would stay in Cleveland after all of these years when a trade to a contender would make sense for all involved. Thomas explains why he wanted to stay. To the lay person and even veteran media, it doesn?t make a lot of sense why a player the caliber of Browns left tackle Joe Thomas would rather remain in Cleveland than be traded to a contender, as he maintained through Tuesday?s trade deadline. Thomas is a generational left tackle, a franchise cornerstone. Six times he has been a first-team All-Pro, and he has been selected for the Pro Bowl after each of his first nine seasons. He is a master technician, durable and a pillar of the community. NFL players don?t come any better than Joe Thomas. And yet the team he plays for is a punch line. The Browns finished 10?6 when he was a rookie in 2007 but didn?t make the playoffs. That was the high-water mark. Since then, the Browns haven?t sniffed the postseason, going 37?99. There are no signs that the Browns will improve. They?re 0?8 so far this season under a new coach, and could go 0?16. The team doesn?t have a quarterback, is now being run by a former baseball executive, and barely made an effort to retain some if its best free agents (including Thomas?s buddies and linemates C Alex Mack and RT Mitchell Schwartz), and looks to be at least a few years from even contending. It doesn?t take a football expert to know there?s a lot of bad offensive line play around the league, and many teams would be better with Thomas as their left tackle. Teams like the Seahawks, Panthers, Giants, Texans, Broncos, Patriots and Colts would all be vastly improved if they acquired Thomas. Conversely, the Browns could gain valuable assets for their future. Thomas, who at 31 doesn?t have forever to wait, would get a chance to play in the postseason and perhaps win a Super Bowl. A deal for Thomas would seem to be a win for everyone, yet the trade deadline came and went, and Thomas is still a Brown?sentenced to be a Brown, in the opinion of many. There has to be a reason why so many players, like Thomas, choose to remain in their current downtrodden situations, and it has to be more than comfort and family considerations. Players like Thomas didn?t play football for money and glory, they played to compete and win games. If you?re stuck on the Browns, how can that be a good situation? I recently got a chance to ask Thomas about his desire to remain with the Browns while working on a story about Mack, his former teammate and one of his best friends. I think Thomas?s answer sheds a lot of light on his thinking, and I now understand why winning is not always everything to some players. ?For me, I would say that the overarching reason that it's important for me to stay in Cleveland... when I was drafted here I really kind of embraced being a Clevelander,? says Thomas. ?It feels like home to me. It almost... I wasn't born here (he was born in Wisconsin), but I can identify with the people that live here and that chip on that shoulder, and how they feel about their football team. They have so much passion and pride for the Cleveland Browns and we've been bad for so long. ?Imagine if you grew up in a place and the team was bad for a long time and there's almost like a pride in being able to stay here and stick it out, knowing that you're going to get to where you promised yourself and you've been promised at some point. You don't know when it's going to be, but you know the payoff is going to be so great and so amazing that you want to finish your career there. I feel in many ways that's the most important thing to me. When I was drafted in Cleveland, I wanted to turn this team back into a perennial playoff contender and to win the Super Bowl. And I feel like that obviously hasn't happened yet. For me I'm very goal oriented and I want to make that happen. I feel like that's unfinished business and that really irks in my craw, that I need to do this before I can be done. I think that's kind of how it is. ?The analogy I tried to make was your home team was bad forever, you wouldn?t just switch allegiances to the team that was good at that time. You're still cheering for your team. When I was a kid, the Packers were terrible until was like 12 or 13. Suddenly they get Brett Favre and Reggie White and they got to the Super Bowl with Mike Holmgren and they're awesome and it's like the greatest thing on Earth. And that's kind of how in my head I am. I'm a Cleveland Brown, that?s who I am and I'm not going to change allegiances just to get a Super Bowl title. I want to do it as a Cleveland Brown because that's who I am.? http://www.si.com/nfl/2016/11/03/nfl-trade-deadline-joe-thomas-cleveland-browns
Browns coach Hue Jackson suggested C Cam Erving could be moved to tackle. "Right now, he's the center of this football team," said Jackson. "If he shows that's not him, then we'll find someplace for him to play." Erving has been a disaster when healthy this year, grading as PFF?s worst center and struggling with shotgun snaps. He?ll remain on the interior for the rest of the season, but his best fit may ultimately be at right tackle.
I'm all for moving Erving ..right off the roster . another one of Farmers BUSTS *ROSE* How did that clueless piece of shit ever get a job in the NFL to begin with ????? .
Reminiscing about the Cowboys The Browns-Dallas Cowboys game Sunday in Cleveland will be just another game on the schedule for the Browns as they skip merrily along on their journey of futility. But for those who have lived long enough to enjoy most of the highs and lows of this franchise since its birth in 1946, a Browns-Cowboys game is more than just another game on the schedule. These teams were big ? and sometimes bitter ? rivals for 10 seasons before the merger of the National Football League and American Football League in 1970. The Browns won 11 of the first 12 games after the Cowboys entered the NFL as an expansion team in 1960. As the NFL grew from a 13-team, two-conference league in 1960 to a 16-team league with two conferences and four divisions in 1969, the Cowboys slowly became a franchise that eventually won five Super Bowls. The best the Browns could do was win the 1964 NFL title and come close to a couple of Super Bowls. The Browns still own a 17-13 edge in the series, which is played only every four years now. The Cowboys have won 12 of the last 18 meetings, including the last three straight since the resurrection in 1999. But one game stood out above all the rest in the historic lore of this rivalry. It was a 1968 playoff game that produced one of the great game-story newspaper leads (arguably the greatest) of all time. Dallas Morning News beat writer Gary Cartwright penned it after the highly favored 12-2 Cowboys were victimized by the 10-4 Browns, 31-20. After veteran Cowboys quarterback Don Meredith threw three interceptions in the Eastern Conference championship loss, Cartwright echoed the great Grantland Rice?s famous lead of the Notre Dame backfield after the Fighting Irish upset Army, 13-7, on Oct. 18, 1924. The inspired and probably upset Cartwright was moved to lead his game story thusly: ?Outlined against a gray December sky, the Four Horsemen rode again: Pestilence, Death, Famine and Meredith.? Here is what Rice wrote. ?Outlined against a blue-gray October sky, the Four Horsemen rode again. In dramatic lore, their names are Death, Destruction, Pestilence and Famine. But those are aliases. Their real names are Stuhldreher, Cowley, Miller and Layden.? There was more flowery prose in that wonderful lead paragraph, but that was the gist of it. The Browns and Cowboys were tied, 10-10, at the half. On the first play of the second half, Meredith threw a pass right into the hands of Browns outside linebacker Dale Lindsey, who returned it 27 yards for a touchdown. Three plays later, Cleveland cornerback Ben Davis picked Meredith again at the Dallas 36. Leroy Kelly romped 35 yards for the second score two plays later. In less than a minute, the Browns moved to an insurmountable 24-10 lead. Meredith was removed following the second pick ? it was his third of the game ? and replaced by Craig Morton. He never played another regular-season down in the NFL, retiring at the age of 30 after the season. He later gained fame as a TV broadcaster (Dandy Don on Monday Night Football) and actor (Police Story, among others). The last time the Browns knocked off the Cowboys was way back on Dec.. 10, 1994 when Bill Belichick coached them to a 19-14 road victory. You have to go back to Dec. 4, 1988 to enjoy the Browns? last home victory over the Cowboys (24-21). That, of course, was then and this is now. And the now is a lot scarier, the Cowboys riding in with a six-game winning streak after dropping the season opener to the New York Giants by a point. These are the relatively new-look Dallas Cowboys, not the Tony Romo-Dez Bryant, pass-happy Cowboys who achieved mediocrity the past several seasons. The oft-injured Romo, the most overrated quarterback in the NFL, has been sidelined since suffering a back fracture in an exhibition game. He has not been missed. Rookie quarterback Dak Prescott, a fourth-round selection (the Browns passed on him to take Cody Kessler in round three) in the last college draft, has stepped right in and performed like a seasoned veteran. He has been tasked with not screwing up a terrific offense and has complied to near perfection. It doesn?t hurt to operate behind maybe the best offensive line in the league and have the luxury of handing off to ? and throwing passes to ? a fellow rookie at running back who is leading the league in rushing. Not to mention quality receivers. Browns fans know all about Ezekiel Elliott after watching him run roughshod in the Big Ten for Ohio State for two seasons. They know he is as complete a package as you?ll find in a running back. He is powerful, fast, quick, a willing and very strong blocker and has soft hands for catching passes. He has run for 799 yards, an average of 114 yards a game, is on pace to rush for 1,825 yards and is a good bet to wind up as offensive rookie for the year. In a recent four-game stretch, he ran for 140, 138, 134 and 157 yards. One can only imagine how the porous Cleveland run game will fare against this tackle-breaking machine. Prescott completes 65% of his passes with nine touchdowns and only two interceptions while operating an offense that averages three touchdowns a game. He is also a dangerous threat when he tucks the ball and runs, adding four touchdowns to his total. He recently welcomed wideout Bryant back to his arsenal. The veteran Pro Bowler, who missed three games earlier in the season with a hairline fracture in his left knee, returned last week and scored a touchdown in the victory over Philadelphia. Add possession receiver Cole Beasley, tight end Jason Witten and Terrance Williams to the overall offensive package, which controls the ball for 33 minutes a game, and you understand why Chris Jones has punted only 22 times this season. It?s on defense where the Cowboys are somewhat vulnerable against some teams (the Browns aren?t one of them). Because they are relatively stingy against the run game (94 yards a game), most teams throw against the Dallas secondary, which yields a 67% completion rate and 264 yards a game and has only four picks. That falls perfectly into the Browns? attack mode recently. Because they have been unable to run the ball successfully lately, coach Hue Jackson calls a pass play more than 70% of the time. With Cody Kessler at quarterback for the Browns Sunday, the Dallas secondary will be kept busy unless its pass rush, which has sacked opposing quarterbacks only 14 times, comes alive against a less-than-mediocre Cleveland offensive line. On paper, this one figures to be a blowout. And, of course, it will be as the Cowboys send the winless Browns to their ninth straight loss this season, tying the 1975 team for futility at the beginning of a season. The Browns that season went on to win three of the next five games. That won?t happen this season with this group as the nadir for embarrassingly bad football looms in the not-so-distant future. Elliott romps for 162 yards and scores twice, Prescott throws two touchdown passes and runs for another and the Dallas defense sacks Kessler and his slow release four times and picks off a pair of passes. The Browns are never in the game after the opening kickoff. Make it: Cowboys 45, Browns 7 Posted by Rich Passan
You know what pisses me off more than anything??? Opposing teams fans taking over our stadiums *STOP* Hard to have a home field advantage when you don't have a home crowd anymore . THAT never happened in the old stadium which I truly miss . RIP grand old lady by the lake . how I miss you and your charm . teams hated playing the Browns at home then . we would bark loud bark proud and harass the hell out of any teams fans . especially those stupid enough to be close to the pound . Even game 7 seemed to have more Cubs fans than Tribe fans ???
Winning cures all ill's Bluez. Remember that people my age(41) that have kids, those kids only know the sorry, sorry Cleveland Browns. My oldest daughter is 17. Not one of her guy friends that she hangs out with wears Browns jerseys. The Cleveland Browns have lost a whole generation of pro football fans. I see them wearing Newton jerseys, Rodgers jerseys, Bosa jerseys, Manning jerseys and Elliot jerseys. NOT 1 Browns jerseys. Bluez I don't think the Browns organization really knows what has been done to this franchise brand. Do you think that the 20 something generation would rally in the streets to keep this team in Cleveland? No, I don't think they would. This team has been a laughing stock since they were born. Look at the posters on here for instance. I'm willing to bet that most of you are older. How many 20ish guys are on here chatting about the Browns? The owners of this team are the only ones getting anything out of this franchise. So what you have is other teams fans coming and buying the tickets because the younger Browns fans don't care anymore. The Browns are irrelevant to them. This is a computer, push a button world we live in now. The only button the Browns push is RESTART!
Els I agree . sad but true. also .. ]:-> today is the day the RAT BASTARD MODELL WHOM I HOPE ROTS IN ETERNAL HELL ANNOUINCED THE MOVE . FU Modell !!!! never ever forgive or forget . if ya pee on the bastards tombstone ..don't get caught *ROSE* *WASSUP* FU ..FU ...FU !!!!
We need safeties *HELP* # 41 is a clueless moron ..cat cover or tackle .. *ROSE* the bean counters cant find a couple phuquing safeties ????? ours are the worst in the league . phuquing clueless no talent pfuquing window lickers *ROSE*
DEFENSE SUCKS ! :! Phuquing bean counters No home crowd ..embarrassing shit :! Horton must goooooooooooooooo. and take 3/4 of the phuquing sorry ass non pressuring cant cover or tackle pussy defense with yer corn row sorry ass headed ass *ROSE*
