Stopper and I had this conversation before with Turner being a conservative play caller and what would change for weeds. The difference between Shurmur and Turner is slight in that both will use the conservative approach overall but the difference is and as a Rams fan, I saw it first hand, Turner moves the ball on 1st down and Shurmur didn't. Shurmur went conservative up to the point of being 3rd and 6 where Turner tried not to get it to 3rd and 6. That is where Turner is better and where Rivers thrived and weeds will also. Now do the Browns have the weapons SD had, no but it is the plan that makes better receivers also.
Here's the problem w that philosophy...he had Aikman and Rivers(2 QB's that had high completion %'s...61 and 63%)....u could afford to pass on 1st down and kinda expect a completion...w Weeden(not very accurate) and now ur sitting in 2nd long which will dictate 75% of the time a run on 2nd down to create a managebale 3rd down. We all know Shurmur was blasted here and the guy was not a bad play caller...people will laugh, but he was around a certain system growing up that was successful and his boss wanted to keep that philosophy. Heckert shuld have said maybe Weeden doesn't fit this system so lets look elsewhere.
Statistics would say otherwise in 2012. Brandon Weeden was best on first and 10 with a rating of 80.3, YPC of 6.3 and more snaps taken on first and 10 than all third downs combined. When the Browns rushed the ball on first down, they averaged 4.0 YPC. Weeden collapsed on second and third downs. The running game actually improved to 4.2 YPC on second. Weeden's numbers slumped to 66.9 and 68.9 rating on second and third downs, respectively. The Browns were exactly 50/50 on run/pass on first downs in 2012.
The fresh faces. The loud music. The lucky and excited little kids who somehow got invited to practice. The hop in the steps. The laughter. It is the third day of minicamp. The upbeat atmosphere makes it easy to forget you are watching a team wearing the same colors as the ones that went 4-12, 5-11, 5-11, 4-12 and 5-11 the previous five years. Part of the camouflage is Rob Chudzinski?s smile. He is Mr. Half Full, moving with the confidence of one who was part of the Browns 10-6 season in 2007. We join you during a quick interlude before heading back to practice. A few scenes from the first leg: ? In warmups, Brandon Weeden takes snaps from Alex Mack. Jason Campbell takes snaps from Shawn Lauvao. Brian Hoyer takes snaps from Braxston Cave. It is a contract year for Mack. You wonder what is in the works for the lone wolf from Eric Mangini?s 2009 draft. ? The mind catches a large man wearing No. 81. The first impulse is to associate it with Alex Smith, a tight end who spent the last three years with the Browns. The impulse dies because the guy wearing it now is much larger than the large-enough Smith. He is Kellen Davis. He is 6-foot-7, and weighs (we?ll ask him). Davis is a sixth-year pro out of Michigan State. He has been out of the conversation amid a minor buzz around fellow veteran newcomer Gary Barnidge. Davis bears watching, if only because his size makes him hard to miss. ? Three little kids who got into practice are nudged along to stay out of the way, but they come within a few feet of the players. Stunned when they get to Mack and Weeden, they stop and stare before getting nudged along anew. ? Brandon Bogotay booms a long field goal that nearly touches the roof (it?s inside today, with rain outside). Someone barks, ?HEADS UP!? Some guy in a dark suit moves in front of a woman wearing a white print skirt, who is near the kick?s landing point. Chivalry is not dead in Berea. ? Joe Thomas and Mitchell Schwartz chat between drills as if they are old friends. At one point, they keep chatting that way during a leg-limbering drill in which they stretch as they move across the field. Could Schwartz have a better mentor? ? A five-figures assistant strength coach looks at Thomas as the latter grins and chats with Schwartz on the field during one stretching drill. Thomas? contract is well into eight figures. New assistant strength coaches have to be careful about trying to be tone-setters ? Special teams coach Chris Tabor gets the field with a largely new group of coverage guys. ?Way to cut tight off that wedge,? he yells to one of them on a kick-coverage drill. ? It dawned on us at one point. One can?t look to far without seeing one of the former first-round picks who was actually drafted by the Browns. Thomas, Mack, Joe Haden, Phil Taylor, Trent Richardson, Brandon Weeden, Barkevious Mingo. The expansion-era Browns have never had seven of their own first-round picks on the same roster. Maybe that counts for something. ? Time to get back out there ... Read more: http://www.cantonrep.com/browns/x60...ite-skirt-doesnt-get-hit-either#ixzz2VSYLFqM0
First of all...Shurmer's whole playbook was chock full of bad plays...therefore every play he called he would literally be a bad play caller. Second, you are pointing out their Aikman and Rivers stats when they were in his system..Weeden is not in the system yet. Im not here to say that Weeden is great, I am here to say that we do not have the data set to make an apples to apples comparison. We have a year of having a square peg in a round hole.
? In warmups, Brandon Weeden takes snaps from Alex Mack. Jason Campbell takes snaps from Shawn Lauvao. Brian Hoyer takes snaps from Braxston Cave. It is a contract year for Mack. You wonder what is in the works for the lone wolf from Eric Mangini?s 2009 draft. resign Mack . a very good center who is a tuff guy and dependable . he played with appendicitis one game last year . i am sure the Mangini haters & negative Naccys will say otherwise .in the words of Phil Savage FUCK YOU GO ROOT FOR BUffalo !
Dogside, I can live w that, but how do u acknowledge all the so called posts that state Weeden will thrive or excel in Turner's offense?
I don't know if Weeden is the answer for the Browns, I just think it is a little to early to make him a bust. We have had the same discussion on the Rams page for 3 season about Bradford. The difference though is the money involved with Bradford versus Weeden. Now even with Weeden going into his 2nd season, he like Bradford has another OC to have to learn a different system. I do believe that both Bradford and Weeden are in the same boat though, a season to show it or blow it. In the big leagues, it will always be "What have you done for me lately". I am rooting for Weeden as I am rooting for Bradford to take the giant step but if they can't, the first day of the draft next May will have both the Rams and Browns looking straight at a QB.
The Browns think Barkevious Mingo is going to be a special player one day. But today, the sixth overall pick in the draft isn?t in the starting lineup At the moment, Mingo is working behind free agent pickup Paul Kruger and Jabaal Sheard, and the Browns aren?t offering anything on a platter. ?Right now, the other two guys are better,? outside linebackers coach Brian Baker said, via Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer. ?So, yeah, whether I?m supposed to say it or not. ?Every place I?ve been, I?ve always played the best guys and played those guys in the best positions. So if Barkevious beats one of those guys out, he?ll be a starter. Until then, they?re the starters.? Of course, Mingo?s still learning the position, as well, adding drop and coverage responsibilities to his pass-rush talent. He had 23.5 tackles for loss the last two years at LSU, and has the tools to become that kind of threat at the NFL. But he has to learn where to go to get there. ?I?m very determined,? Mingo said of winning a starting job. ?That?s the goal. That should be everybody?s goal. You want to play, you want to help the team win, but you?ve got to put in the work. ?Those are some big-time guys. It?s a learning curve. I?ve been thrown into a different position. Time will tell what the coaches think.? Mingo?s long arms and fluidity should serve him well in his new role, and he?s apparently impressed in practice by batting down a number of passes. But the Browns are going to keep pushing him, and keep the carrot of a starting job hanging out there, until he shows more.
Here's what I gotta say about the Weeden debate: Spoiler TAKE IT HERE GENTLEMEN!!! http://mudncleats.com/forumlist/viewtopic.php?id=512
because its more of what he is used to doing. He is not a dink and dunk qb. As much as I deteste Colt McCoy, he was better suited for the system shurmer ran. Now if you are going to mix up speed and size between the slot and the outside and drive the ball downfield, then all signs pointing towards weeden being more successful.
I agree BPP, it's just no one like the "Weeden Debate" being brought into the DPL, we need to keep it in the Weeden Thread!
By Fred Greetham OBR Senior Browns Reporter Posted Jun 6, 2013 Browns coach Rob Chudzinski said he expects Brandon Weeden to enter training camp this August as the team's No. 1 quarterback ahead of free agent signee Jason Campbell. 2 Comments BEREA?Rob Chudzinski still wouldn?t declare Brandon Weeden as the Browns starting quarterback as the team heads to training camp, but all signs indicate that. ?I see (the order) the same (as coming into the OTAs and minicamp),? Chudzinski said. ?It?s just become clearer as we?ve gotten to know them more.? Chudzinski said the pecking order remains the same with Weeden first, Jason Campbell second and Brian Hoyer third. Weeden has taken almost all of the reps with the first team, while Campbell the second group and Hoyer the third. Weeden connected with Josh Gordon and Gary Barnidge on back-to-back touchdown throws in the final minicamp practice. ?I see improvement out of all of them, especially looking at the last two days,? Chudzinski said. ?I really see that they all have been able to take the things that we learned throughout the course of OTAs and then bring them here to minicamp and show improvement.? Chudzinski is very impressed with the group of quarterbacks the Browns have. ?That group, overall, is one of the best groups I?ve been around in terms of chemistry and helping each other out and it?s really good,? Chudzinski said. ?There?s a really good vibe in that room.? Chudzinski offered his assessment on Weeden at the conclusion of minicamp. ?I think Brandon has done a nice job, to this point,? Chudzinski said. ?Everything we?ve asked him to do. Certainly, it hasn?t been perfect, but having to adjust to Norv (Turner) yelling at him and making the adjustments and corrections, you?ve seen progress. ?I think you have seen it out here he?s getting the ball out quicker and he?s sped up his delivery and his understanding and comfort level, you can see it.? Chudzinski said Campbell has been what the Browns expected when they signed him as an unrestricted free agent. ?I am pleased with Jason,? he said. ?He is everything we had hoped for from a leadership standpoint and a guy that can come in and doesn?t need every single rep in practice. He?s been in the system before and he understands what he?s doing.? He also said he has been happy with the way Hoyer has picked up the offense since arriving. ?Brian coming in late and in a short time and he has a real good fee,? Chudzinski said. ?He?s been around and has been in a number of systems and knows what we?re trying to get done. I like the direction of this group. We?ve got a ways to go but we?re on the right track.? Weeden says he views himself as the starting quarterback. ?I don?t want that to change,? he said. ?That would be tough. I?m still competing everyday with myself and worried about me. ?My approach hasn?t changed,? he said. ?I?m in the huddle with the same guys and I have approached it the same from day one.? He said he?s been able to get a good grasp on the new offense. ?It?s all starting to make sense,? he said. ?I?m right where I wanted to be. There are some things I wanted to work on but I?m pleased with my progress. I?m pleased but am I satisfied? No.? He said the difference between last year?s offense under Pat Shurmur and this year?s under Turner is night and day different. ?Imagine going to Spanish class one hour and then going to Russian class the next,? he said. ?It?s still football, just different verbiage. They?re both good systems, but nothing is the same from last year.? Weeden said at the start of the off-season program he was working on his foot work and his delivery. ?It?s coming along well and it all results in good timing and your success is higher,? he said. ?It helps you speed up your feet and understand where you?re going with the football.? Weeden said his primary goal is for the Browns to win, but he is shooting for completing 70 percent of his passes this season. He was 57.4 percent as a rookie in 2012. ?Completions are big no matter what system you play in,? he said. ?If you?re around that 70 percent (mark) you?re doing some really good things. ?That would be my goal,? he said. ?Winning games is obviously more important, but that would be my goal (in terms of completion percentage).? Weeden thinks the Browns can have a good season. ?I think we have a chance to be really good, speaking about the whole team,? he said. ?I think we have the potential to be really good. We?re going to have to go out and prove to do it on a consistent basis.? Chudzinski said ultimately who will be under center when the regular season begins, will be based on production. ?I think all of those guys have progressed,? Chudzinski said. ?When we get out there in pads and we see them in situations, we?ll be looking for improvement there. It will be about production.? Notebook Mingo Determined: No. 1 draft choice Barkevious Mingo is making the transition to the NFL and is expected to log a lot of playing time. Whether or not he is a starter from day one is to be seen, but Mingo plans on being in the mix. ?I?m very determined,? Mingo said. ?That?s the goal. That should be everybody?s goal. You want to play, you want to help the team win, but you?ve got to put in the work.? Mingo doesn?t want anything handed to him just because he was the sixth-overall draft choice. ?You don?t want anything given to you,? Mingo said. ?So you earn the respect and put in the work to get what you want.? Mingo admitted he is learning from playing defensive end at LSU and playing outside linebacker. ?It?s a learning curve,? he said. ?I?ve been thrown into a different position.? Mingo has displayed his athleticism in the minicamp. He batted down a pass from QB Jason Campbell on Tuesday and on Wednesday he tipped a pass from Brian Hoyer than was intercepted by Trevin Wade. The Switch: Chudzinski said that Jabaal Sheard is making a smooth transition thus far from defensive end to outside linebacker. ?Jabaal has done a great job,? Chudzinski said. ?You look at him making the transition from defensive end to outside backer. He is understanding the drop concepts and really looks real natural in that position.? Sheard has been working primarily at right outside linebacker opposite of Paul Kruger and ahead of Barkevious Mingo. Cameron Out: TE Jordan Cameron was on the stationary bike after injuring his hamstring on Wednesday. Cameron sat out last week?s OTAs with a groin injury. Cameron joined WR Jordan Norwood (hamstring), WR David Nelson (knee), OL Chris Faulk (knee), DB Jamoris Slaugher (achilles) and RB Trent Richardson (lower leg strain) on the sidelines. Chudzinski was asked if he was concerned about Cameron having a lingering injury. ?Those are always things you have to work through, but I am not concerned at this point.? Chudzinski said he expects all of the players who have been sitting out to be ready for the start of training camp. The only player he hesitated on was rookie OL Chris Faulk, who is coming off a major knee surgery. Prince Out: DB Prince Miller was released from the Browns roster. Miller appeared in two games last season for the Browns, mostly on special teams. Barnidge Stepping Up: TE Gary Barnidge was signed as an unrestricted free agent but had the tag of being more of a blocking back after catching just 18 passes in his first five NFL seasons, all with the Panthers. Barnidge has made some excellent catches during the minicamp and has taken advantage of TE Jordan Cameron missing Thursday?s final practice with a hamstring injury. Barnidge made a nice touchdown catch in the final day of practice Thursday. ?Gary is a guy who had some injuries earlier in his career,? Chudzinski said. ?I think he is a versatile guy who can do both and he is getting better.? Adios: The Browns finished the three day minicamp Thursday and have nothing scheduled for the whole team until training camp begins late in July. The rookies will still be around working with the coaches and going through rookie orientation and education programs. Chudzinski said he feels the Browns are in good position to be ready to take the field on July 26 when training camp officially opens. ?We finished up and I am looking forward to getting back in training camp with all the fans out here next time,? Chudzinski said. He said the Browns are on schedule as they head to camp. ?From the mental standpoint, installing our systems - offensively, defensively, special teams ? I think the guys have gotten a good grasp of what we are doing,? he said. ?The nut and bolts, the basic things are in and we will hopefully be able to build from there when we get back.?
By Fred Greetham OBR Senior Browns Reporter Posted Jun 5, 2013 Browns' prize free agent signing of the 2013 offseason was linebacker Paul Kruger. On Wednesday he displayed his loyalty to his new team by declining invitation to visit White House with Super Bowl Champions Baltimore Ravens - Kruger's former team. 5 Comments BEREA?Paul Kruger felt it was more important to skip an invitation to the White House today than to miss the second day of Browns minicamp. The Ravens were invited to the White House for winning the most recent Super Bowl and that event was taking place Wednesday. ?It fell on a day we we?re working,? Kruger said. ?It?s a new team and I have to show my loyalties.? However, Kruger said he will be able to make the ring ceremony on Friday in Baltimore. ?I will be there Friday,? he said. ?Luckily, it fell on a day we were done.? Kruger was the Browns prize signing in free agency after signing a five-year contract for over $40 million on the first day of free agency. He sees the defense coming together. ?Things are going well and we?re finally starting to mesh,? he said. ?It?s going well and we?re going strong as we go to training camp.? Kruger said he is trying to lead by example. ?I think, at this point, the best way to help guys is to lead by example, do the right things and set the tone,? he said. ?The young guys will pick up on that.? Number one pick Barkevious Mingo said he is learning just from being around Kruger. ?Paul is just coming off winning a Super Bowl,? Mingo said. ?I feel I can learn a lot from him.? Kruger has been impressed with what he?s seen of Mingo. ?The guy is explosive and fast and he?s making strides,? Kruger said. Rob Chudzinski said that Kruger is fitting in well. ?He?s a guy that?s been around and from the experience he has, it?s a new system but Paul is doing a great job.? Kruger thinks the defense as a whole is progressing under Ray Horton. ?Everybody has strides to make and it?s important we make the right moves now so are ready for training camp.? One rarity for Kruger is playing alongside his younger brother, Dave, who was signed as an undrafted free agent. ?It?s a special deal,? he said. ?We?re great friends and nice to have a familiar face around. I played with him one year at Utah. He?s doing some good things.? Paul Kruger knows his brother will have to have a great training camp as it is a tough road for an undrafted player to make an NFL team, especially a position the Browns are already deep at. ?Camp is really going to be big for him and it will be make or break for him.? Notebook T Rich Disputes Reports: RB Trent Richardson spoke to reporters after the second day of minicamp and refuted the reports that he would miss the beginning of training camp with a lower leg injury. ?I still expect to be out there day one,? Richardson said. ?People say I have another injury. It?s nothing to be worried about. It?s the same thing I told you two weeks ago. I will miss the three day camp and that?s what it is.? Richardson re-iterated what Rob Chudzinski said that sitting out minicamp was precautionary. ?It?s best for me and the team (to sit out),? he said. ?It shows me that they care and they want me to be a big part of the offense. ?The only thing I need is rest.? Richardson said he wasn?t stepped on and he hasn?t lost weight due to the injury. He said he?s trying to lose a couple pounds and play around 222 to 223 pounds. He said he currently is 225 and played last season at 230 to 232. ?I?m trying to get back to what I played at in college.? He did say he?s been dealing with occasional migraine headaches his entire life and takes medication for that. ?I?ve been taking migraine medication my whole life,? he said. ?Migraines are the worst thing you can ever have but they don?t come that often, but when they do you have to be ahead of it.? Richardson said he can?t wait to put this all behind him. ?I really just looking to the day when I can be back out practicing with the fellas,? he said. ?That?s basically what I?m looking forward to.? Richardson reminded those talking with him that after missing the preseason and breaking a pair of ribs, he missed little time in 2012. ?After everything I went through last year I only missed one game and that was heart breaking to me,? he said. ?I just can?t wait to get back out there.? New Specialists: With the departure of Pro Bowl K Phil Dawson and KR/PR Josh Cribbs the Browns are looking to overhaul the two positions. WR Travis Benjamin is the most likely leader for punt returns and likely for kickoff returns. Johnson Bademosi and then Buster Skrine took turns on kickoffs before Benjamin and Dion Lewis did. ?It?s really open right now,? Chudzinski said. ?We?re getting a lot of different guys. ?We?re getting the mechanics of the blocking and the timing of that together, so we?ll continue to work a group of guys back there. Then we?ll continue to work a group of guys back there. Then we?ll hone in by the time we get into the preseason and into the games.? Lewis has the most experience with 32 kickoff returns in two seasons with the Eagles. He averaged 21.9 yards in two years. Skrine returned three kickoffs in 2011 and averaged 24 yards. Benjamin returned just three kickoffs last year and averaged 25.3. He had three punt returns , including a 93 yard return for touchdown. The kickers trying to replace Dawson are Brandon Bogotay and Shayne Graham. Bogotay has shown a stronger leg than 12-year veteran Graham has, but the competition is close. ?It?s been back and forth,? Chudzinski said. ?Obviously, you get into the preseason and those games and that will be very important part of the process of the evaluation. With Shayne here, he?s a veteran guy who has been through a lot and been through a lot of games. Both of those guys have been kicking vell.? In practice Wednesday, Bogotay hit a 55-yard field goal to cap a drive in the two-minute drill. He also hit a 51-yard field goal. Graham hit one from 46 yards and missed wide right from 54 yards. Cameron Hurt: TE Jordan Cameron pulled up after QB Brandon Weeden through a pass to him in the end zone. Cameron missed last week?s OTA with a groin injury. ?We?ll find out tomorrow. I think he was a little tight.? Sneak Peak: The Browns announced that they are streaming the first 15 minutes of practice live at www.Clevelandbrowns.com beginning at 10:15 am.
The Morning Kickoff ? Time to assess: The Browns break for summer vacation knowing a few things about themselves. They can run the upbeat tempo installed by the coaches on offense and defense. That was the most noticeable change in the Browns under new coach Rob Chudzinski through 16 offseason practices. There is no lollygagging. Everything was done at quick pace. It starts with Brandon Weeden?s dropback from center. That sets the tone on offense. The defense is 11 Ahtyba Rubins hustling from snap to whistle. Even the breaks between practice periods were quick. Chudzinski said he also learned his team is a hungry team. Why not? Of the 38 players on the 90-man roster who have worn the Browns uniform before, only one ? Joe Thomas ? has experienced a winning season. Of the veteran newcomers, only five have been to the playoffs. So they?re fast and they?re hungry. But can they hit and tackle and play through adversity? ?The thing we want to do with training camp that we really haven?t been able to do out here is see the physical part of football,? Chudzinski said in his minicamp wrap-up assessment. ?Seeing the toughness and pushing through some of those things. Guys getting a chance to really compete physically will be the theme (of training camp).? Nothing is set in stone during the spring phase of preseason. This is how we see the Browns by position group when training camp convenes on July 26: Quarterbacks: Weeden has taken to the vertical passing offense and to the demanding exhortations of coordinator Norv Turner. His footwork has improved. His arm is stronger than any I?ve seen in Cleveland. There is no ?open competition? for the starting job. Chudzinski said, ?I don?t really know what that term means, exactly.? What remains to be seen is how much improved Weeden?s game will be in the face of a live pass rush. Jason Campbell has been a good teammate. He seems to have accepted his fate as a backup at this stage of his career. Brian Hoyer looks hungrier. Campbell?s physical skills are better, but Hoyer appears to have the intangibles of a field leader. At this stage, it?s much more likely that Hoyer unseats Campbell for No. 2 than Campbell unseats Weeden for No. 1. Running backs: Trent Richardson?s lower leg muscle pull was the No. 1 disappointment of minicamp. The time to worry about it is when he misses a preseason game, not in June. Of the remaining backs, newcomer Dion Lewis was most impressive. I have him pegged as a lock for the No. 3 back. I see Montario Hardesty and Chris Ogbonnaya competing for No. 2. But an interesting dynamic may result in four making the final roster. Brandon Jackson can get into the mix, I suppose. Fullbacks: Owen Marecic, the only natural fullback on the roster, will be under the gun in training camp to prove that his lead-blocking is indispensable. If not, his deficiencies in pass catching and running will cost him. The coaches already seem to be planning to compensate by using Ogbonnaya and/or Brad Smelley in pseudo-fullback roles. Receivers: Josh Gordon has the most physical ability of any player on the roster. The only thing that can stop him from being an elite player this year is himself. Greg Little seemed to ?get it? in the second half of last season. I haven?t seen him drop a ball all spring. Davone Bess ? I wish the Browns would have acquired him two years ago. He will make an impact on and off the field. Travis Benjamin looks much smoother and is the fastest player on the team. Weeden said he caught more balls than any player over the 16 practices. Can he hold the ball and stay on the field when hit? We?ll see. Tall, angular David Nelson should be an asset when healthy in training camp. Tight ends: Jordan Cameron had two muscle pulls in 16 practices without being hit. Not a good sign. Gary Barnidge and Kellen Davis look OK. I don?t see a playmaker at this position. Offensive line: It looks as if John Greco and Shawn Lauvao have the bead on the starting guard positions, but where they line up is uncertain. Coaches have alternated them at left and right. Jason Pinkston, who made a good initial comeback from a blood clot last year, has time to unseat one in training camp. The rest of the line is in good shape. No more analysis needed than that. Defensive line: Ahtyba Rubin and Desmond Bryant have alternated at right and left end and Phil Taylor has been the nose. It?s possible Taylor will come off the field in the four-man rush for Kruger and Jabaal Sheard. I see reduced snaps for Billy Winn and John Hughes this season unless there are injuries. Still, we may see rampant substitutions to keep the starters fresh in the fourth quarter. Linebackers: Kruger and Sheard enter training camp as the starting outside linebackers. Sheard?s early conversion to the position has been encouraging but not complete. Barkevious Mingo will get a lot of play time if he doesn?t start immediately. Mingo?s quickness is undeniable. We don?t know how strong he is or whether he can tackle. Quentin Groves rounds out a decent foursome of rush linebackers. Craig Robertson has held down the starting inside spot next to D?Qwell Jackson. I?m not sure where James-Michael Johnson fits in this defense. Defensive backs: Joe Haden looks poised for a big year. Buster Skrine and Chris Owens will be the No. 2 and No. 3 cornerbacks ? in whichever order. Rookie Leon McFadden will have to have a huge training camp to unseat Skrine or Owens. I have a feeling T.J. Ward will prosper in Ray Horton?s defense. The free safety will be either Tashaun Gipson or Johnson Bademosi. I didn?t see either get his hands on a lot of balls. That could change when hitting is allowed in training camp. Specialists: I think there?s a good chance the Browns will keep three kickers. Spencer Lanning is the overwhelming favorite at punter and holder. The place-kicking could break down to a combination of veteran Shayne Graham (accurate 35 yards and in) and Brandon Bogotay (a deep kickoff and long field goal specialist). There could be multiple returners ? Benjamin, Skrine, Bademosi, Lewis, even Bess.
*HELP* That is really gonna suck if they need 2 guys to handle place kicking and kickoffs. Gonna be tough to replace this guy...
