Jordan Cameron is a Pro Bowl TE because Jordan Cameron is a Pro Bowl TE regardless of what QB is throwing him the football. Weeden deserves as much credit as the guy who through less passes to Jordan with more TDs per pass. That's why Campbell's name was in there, but you could throw Spencer in too if it makes more sense to you that way.
Sorry, but making the Pro Bowl cause of injuries doesnt mean hes a PB TE....is he better than Gronk? J Thomas? Gates? mayb even Kelce and Walker?
Now you are changing the discussion. Jordan Cameron was good enough to be in the Pro Bowl last year. The injuries to other players are not controlled by him. Try again, but see if you can stick to the subject this time.
LMAO! of course..it's stopper logic....Cameron is a Cleveland Brown..Therefore, regardless of production, he sucks and can't be mentioned in the same sentence with other NFL TE's....
Fifteen years of pent-up frustration was released in the form of the Browns? 31-10 thumping of Pittsburgh on Sunday. It was a day that will hold a special place in the memories of the long suffering Browns? faithful. The day when the big bad wolf huffed, puffed, and was hit over the top for a 51-yard touchdown pass to Jordan Cameron. The Browns dominated the Steelers where it matters most, on the scoreboard, but let?s take a look beyond the 31-10 scoreline and go behind the box score. 42 ? Since the whistle blew on the depressing first half of a football Week 1 in Pittsburgh, the Browns have outscored the Steelers by six touchdowns over the last five quarters, 55-13. 58 - The Browns? 58 points scored vs. the Steelers this season is the highest point total against Pittsburgh in a season since 1989 when the Browns thrashed the Steelers 51-0 and lost 17-7 a month later. You have to go back to 1986 to find the last season the Browns surpassed the 58 point mark vs. Pittsburgh. That season, Bernie Kosar led the Browns to wins of 27-24 and 37-31 in route to the AFC Championship game when John Elway decided to do that drive thing. 156.3 ? Brian Hoyer?s quarterback rating on plays when the Steelers blitzed. Dick LeBeau has had a long and illustrious career as a defensive mastermind, but the NFL is a ?what have you done for me lately? league and on Sunday the Browns shredded LeBeau?s blitzes. Hoyer was 6 of 8 for 169 yards on plays the Steelers brought pressure, including the shiny, silvery dime of a throw to Jordan Cameron for Hoyer?s sole touchdown pass of the day. Not once was the Browns? quarterback touched on one of LeBeau?s famous blitzes. 50% - Ben Roethlisberger?s completion percentage on the day. Big Ben thew 42 passes against the Browns on Sunday, a large enough sample size for a 50% completion percentage to be meaningful. For comparison?s sake, Mike Glennon ranks 32nd in the NFL for the season with a completion percentage of 57%. In today?s NFL it is almost unheard of for a quarterback to have so many passes hit the ground. Hats off to Jim O?Neil and the entire defensive side of the roster for stepping up and holding Roethlisberger to his worst completion percentage ever against the Browns. 118 - Yards receiving for Steelers? wide receiver Antonio Brown. Despite Roethlisberger struggling, Brown once again showed why he is in the penthouse when it comes NFL wide receivers. His route running is spectacular.The crispy clean way in which he breaks off of one route and into another seems to defy everything you?ve ever learned regarding momentum. As frustrating as it is to watch him come down with catch after catch against Browns? DB?s, few receivers in the league are as fun to watch as Brown. 74 - The number of the newest Brown under the microscope, Paul McQuistan. McQuistan stepped in at right guard following John Greco?s move to center to replace the injured Alex Mack, playing 41 of the team?s 59 offensive snaps. The results were mixed for McQuistan who was at the point of attack for some big runs, but Pro Football Focus graded McQuistan as the 56th best out of 61 guards to play on Sunday. Stepping into a zone blocking scheme without considerable practice time with that unit is a tall task. A zone blocking scheme is like a choreographed dance for the offensive line, needing each member to be right on track, step for step. Without reps with the first unit it?s hard to expect McQuistan to step right in and not miss a beat. Still, despite his struggles on Sunday, McQuistan comes with a pedigree. The former Seahawk started no fewer than ten games each of the previous three seasons in Seattle, including a start at left guard in last year?s Super Bowl. 73.2 - Yards per game receiving from Travis Benjamin and Taylor Gabriel. The Browns came into the season with a Grand Canyon sized hole out wide, but week after week the receiver position has been one of the Browns? most stable groups. Neither Benjamin or Gabriel looks the part of a prototypical receiver, but both have come up big when needed. Last week it was Gabriel keeping drives moving with big catch after catch on his way to a career high 95 yards while Benjamin basked in the glory of two 4th quarter touchdown catches. Against Pittsburgh neither receiver lit it up as the team only completed 8 passes, but both kept their yards per reception numbers high with catches longer than 20 yards. Benjamin?s 31-yard grab was a textbook display in going up and high pointing the football for the catch, rewarding Hoyer?s trust in taking a shot down the field. Cleveland?s small receivers are showing they?re more than capable of making big plays. 25-11 ? The split in carries between Ben Tate and Isaiah Crowell. Terrance West was an unexpected healthy scratch on Sunday, leaving Tate and Crowell to shoulder all the carries. Mike Pettine and his coaches made an example out of West by inactivating him last week, letting the team know that if you don?t come ready to work every day in practice then don?t expect your spot to be safe on Sunday. With West inactive, the running game hardly missed a beat. Tate pounded and prodded his way to 78 yards on 25 carries, allowing Crowell to use his fresh legs to provide a spark with his 11 carries for 77 yards. 6.45 - Yards per carry on runs behind center. The Browns favored the right hip of the center against Pittsburgh, running it there 9 times for a total of 59 yards, including Isaiah Crowell?s 24-yard scamper with Greco and McQuistan leading the point of attack. With two linemen jumping right in to unfamiliar waters, it may have been easier to use them as the focal point of the run instead of needing them to be in sync with the other linemen?s steps when trying to create a seal on the backside of the run. 4.3 - Yards per target given up by Buster Skrine. With Haden banged up and Gilbert still in his rookie cocoon, the Browns were in desperate need of some secondary help. K?Waun Williams provided a spark against Tennessee, but suffered a concussion vs. Pittsburgh, leaving Buster Skrine in the spotlight. The Steelers threw Buster?s way a game high 11 times, managing a mere 47 yards. If you remove the the garbage time touchdown scored on by the Steelers? Lance Moore, Skrine locked down the Steelers? passing game for just 21 yards on 10 targets. A 2.1 yards against per target is an outstanding number, and something the Browns? secondary can build on as they get ready to face Bortles, Carr, and Glennon. 56 ? The number of the Browns? best defensive player on Sunday, Karlos Dansby. Dansby was a menace against Pittsburgh, recording 8 tackles, 2 assists, and a sack on Roethlisberger. The veteran out of Auburn was also a blanket in coverage, holding the Steelers to just 11 yards on the 5 throws in his area. However, the play that best describes Dansby?s value was Roethlisberger?s incompletion in the end zone to a wide open Markus Wheaton. A broken coverage on the play between Gilbert and Skrine allowed Wheaton acres of open space in the end zone, but luckily for the Browns, Roethlisberger flat out missed the throw. Immediately after the play, Dansby and Donte Whitner grabbed Gilbert and Skrine and had an animated chat to hash out the mistake right then and there in the end zone. You love to see the leaders of your defense taking charge and holding players accountable, especially in a game where the win is already secured.
Browns signed DT Sione Fua. He's taking the roster spot of Armonty Bryant (knee), who was officially placed on injured reserve Tuesday. Sua appeared in 24 games between 2011-12, but made just five total appearances between the Broncos and Panthers last season. He's mere depth unlikely to make it through the end of the season in Cleveland
Waste of time Tim.... Waste of time... May I suggest arguing with this instead? Spoiler You'll find that you'll get sooooo much better results!
What is so hard 2 figure out....u can post pics of a brick wall, a troll or whatever else u want, but some of u people are so googly eyed by the Browns that u throw logic completely out the window....ur all going crazy cause the team is 3-2 and beat 3 teams w a combined 7-10 record, ur gloating bout Hoyer and how great he is when SAS showed u facts bout some of his #'s, the Browns FO is not even considering give him a long term deal at this time when some posters wuld grant him an open check and tell him to write his own amount, u talked bout how great the defense played and the Browns running game, but Pitt had a better ypc avg and similar #'s and finally the next 3 opponents are 1-16 as of now so Im sure we will keep hearing bout how good Hoyer is when he beats these BAD teams
Crazy Crex?s Musings: Given some of the postings here the last few weeks I?ve begun to wonder? Why is it so wrong for Browns fans to be excited? After everything this fan base has endured over the last 20-years. Given all the changes this franchise has gone through from top to bottom year after year. Why is it wrong jump up and down and sing the teams praises? After so many years of being treated like the door mat of the Division let alone the NFL. Why is it so wrong to have some faith and believe that this just may be the year things turn around for this franchise and that maybe just maybe a playoff run in not all that inconceivable? So what they play a ?soft schedule? This IS the NFL The schedule is what it is. Other than two games everyone in the division plays the same teams. Yet when the Browns make the biggest comeback in NFL history, we?re not supposed to get excited. Why? We FINALLY have a QB that is keeping the Browns in games against opponents that have absolutely owned the Browns in years past. Best of ALL he?s WINNING games, yet we?re not supposed to be excited. Does a QB have to put up MVP numbers every week, to be worthy of the accolades that fans want to put on him. Really? What gives? Why is it so phuqing wrong to be excited? I care not how many passing yards or TD he throws, as long as he?s not throwing more int?s than completions we should be happy? Right?. Guess not according to some. I for one am HAPPY and EXCITED to be a browns fan. This team is actually playing at a higher level than I?ve seen in a long time. I see they are improving week to week. The roster finally has enough talent that even with major injuries this team has not missed much. We?ll see how Bryant and Taylor's injures impact the defense long term. Losing Mack may not be as devastating, but still sucks. We?ll see how much that hurts as the season wears on. This may not be your Daddy?s Browns, but It is starting to resemble the team I fell in love with so long ago. SO for all you fans who want to whoop and holler and jump for joy in support of your Browns Git-R-Done and don?t let the naysayers tell you different. As for all you negative Nancies? Just go away? We don?t want or need your kind around here. CHEERS!!!
The short answer Crex, is because it's not JFF that has them at 3-2, its Hoyer, and for some reason, that has some fans butthurt... Not me (and many others around here) so i agree, I'm gonna celebrate, hoot, holler, and most of all BARK!!! Until i lose my damn voice! *YAHOO* *YAHOO* *DANCE* *DANCE* Set 'em up Bluez, the next few rounds are on me, you can put it on my tab! *DRINK* (Bluez, did you receive my check yet for my tab? )
Easy fellas, I am not "butt hurt" because Hoyer is leading the Browns to a 3-2 record. I am just as excited to be 3-2 as the next guy... it's better than 1-4. I am just looking at the body as a whole and seeing it realistically. You all do realize we are this close to being 5-0...right? I know we are programmed to Thu.k anything close to average is great, well it's better than below averaged so I concede..I want something more than average.
Crex, I am there. YEAH !!!!! Just a month and a half ago, I watched a team that looked very much like a team with a new coach, new system, new co-ordinators, new players, who needed name tags to know who they were playing with and for. Pettine made "the call", and Hoyer would be the starter. One week left to get to know one another and on to Pittsburgh. The start of the game, the entire first half looked like more of the dreg we saw in pre-season. Ugh! Well here we go again. Then this new team showed up and ran off 24 unanswered points! In Pittsburgh! 24 points in a single game! Who are those guys? Well they lost, which was a lot more familiar territory. Sigh. Been there / done that, too many times to think about. But still.......... they did score! Then the N.O. Saints come to Ohio, and start doing their thing while we watch, but then the switch is flipped and we not only storm back we prevail. Seems like we've seen that before, and it didn't portend a great season then, so what makes this so special? Nothing, really. So who's next? Baltimore. Coulda shooulda, but didn't. Again a story we are all too familiar with. So we take the early Bye, and anxiously await the Titans. WTF! Did everyone go on vacation and forget what a football was? But no, they took another half off, so they could achieve the impossible, come back from down 25 to win on the road! Coming off such a rousing come from behind victory, we once again face Pittsburgh. Feeling pretty for a few days we are ready. As the week goes on, the doubt creeps back in: it was Tennesee, not Pittsburgh, it's Big Ben, the 18 and 1 Big Ben, and the team that has stolen so many games from us that it is no longer even considered criminal, just status quo. By the end of that game, if you weren't a happy Browns fan, then someone send me the location of your grave, you have to be dead. The O. The D. Special teams, coaches, everyone did us proud, even guys who hadn't seen the field before that day, showed up and performed. The only reason not to be excited is ........ can't think of one, unless you are Johnny's mom. The team who stumbled and stuttered thruogh pre-season, is gone, and in their place is a team that runs efficiently and effectively. They run the ball as well as any team in the league. The O line is arguably the best in the league. The band of brothers at the WR position are making the passing game work, without any star power. and the back up QB is running it all with a calm and focus that has both guided and inspired his team mates. The D has been playing catch up with the O, but showing progress weekly, leading up to the best performance across a full game, missing multiple pieces, and getting what they needed from the "next man up". What about this leads anyone to doubt? Years of heart crushing, inventive, bizarre and phoned in games. I've lived them with you, but I can't help but see this year's group as different. I could be wrong. We've been 3 and 2 as recently as last year, so why the optimism? Hoyer isn't on IR. That sounds stupidly Hoyalist, but I will admit I was sold on what this guy did with a team that was D E A D. I had felt like there was enough talent on the team to compete, but that we had no one who could lead on the field. He did! And if anyone thinks Johnny could have directed this team, that was learning on the fly, to the kind of performances we have enjoyed thus far........... Be Happy Browns fans. We still have Johnny, and by some miracle, we don't need to start him yet. YEAH!
I only made that remark bout Weeden cause a previous poster said he wuld have missed Cameron by 5 yds when he was wide open
I was making a point about how many times we saw Weeden "air mail" it over the receivers head, and that's when he started fighting for his beloved Brandon Weeden. lol!
Im saying it was a combo of players injured, Weeden and Campbell cause someone threw him the ball...will he b in the Pro Bowl this yr....he better get on a huge roll cause 9 rec and 1 TD wont cut it
