So we still don't have a QB, based on what we watched last night. Do we have an offense at all? The whole was awfull, with the exception of the RBs doing a decent job. I won't defend the position of the throw into the end zone, but I also thought it was catchable, and we need the WRs to make some catches, cause whoever is throwing the passes, they aren't going to be perfect. An easyt catch? No. It looked to me like his reaction was late, as I noticed more than once, and from most of the recievers (Hoyers pass that hit his reciever in the butt, because he hadn't turned around yet). Out of Synch!!! That's not just on the QBs. I agree that the Shanahan's O is more complicated than most, making the QBs job of learning it difficult. Maybe it will be a great O some day, but by splitting QB reps, the situation is made worse. With all that said, I suggest Hoyer remains the guy to start the season. I say that knowing and agreeing that Manziel is going to become the starter this year at some point, but he looks undisciplined and overwhelmed. Hoyer is likely to be better at getting the O right, even if he isn't destined to keep the job. The other guys have better chance of understanding and executing the O with a guy who will follow the plan as closely as he can. Manziel will be a complete wildcard, and the O will not settle into what it is supposed to be. Yes he may pull a rabbit out of a hat now and then, but he will also explode in your hands just as often. Let him get more comfortable with the plan, then give him the reins and take your chances. the opposing argument just turns that around and says let the kid take his lumps now, and get those lessons out of the way this year. I can see that, with the O so out of synch, I think the veteran will make the overall O better so when Johnny takes over they are functioning as a unit and understand what they ares supposed to do. I sincerely hope Pettine sticks with his dispassionate decision to name his starter before the 3rd game. Regardless of which guy he goes with, he needs the reps with his starting line, RBs, and recievers to establish some rapport, timing, and tendencies so they can compete. Right now they cannot. I truly believe the entire team needs to know who they are playing with, and what the game plan is going to be. I think Pettine's statement to name the starter stems from his basic understanding of that fact, and hope he doesn't succumb to the pressure, which to me signals panic. That would make me feel unsettled as a player, if my coach can't make a decision, and set a course before the games count. Your the head coach. You are going to make decisions that are wrong. That doesn't forgive avoiding the decision. Make it, then sell it to your team 100%. You sit in the Big Chair, so strap in, and let's GO!
The same advantages that Hoyer would have. So again - on what do you base John being able to win 2 and Hoyer not?
Tim, we had this discussion....I feel Manziel is better than Hoyer and nothing during this preseason has shown me otherwise...in this system w all these nakeds and rollouts, Hoyer will not succeed. I dont like the system at all, but thats what their running so Manziel fits it better.
I know we have attempted to have this discussion before but it always ends up with this ^^^ I have no idea how you have seen anything from Manziel to make you believe he is better than Hoyer right now. There have been 2 games, limited snaps and neither has looked great but there has been absolutely nothing from Manziel to make anyone other than a blind believer think that he will lead this team to more wins in the first three games than Hoyer. If you can point to something in these first 2 games other than your opinion on the system fit that has in no way been proven I would very much like to read it.
How bout 2 3 n outs from Hoyer to start the game? Manziel comes in and shuld have had a 1st down completion to Cameron but he doesnt settle down like he shuld have and he pointed rite to his chest after the throw. He leads a respectable drive from his own goal line to flip field position. Hoyer cant even score a TD after a TO from Wash 15 or so by missing a wide open Hawkins. Hoyer completed 2 passes and the last one was a now screen w 19 secs left in the half....why not just take a knee or were they just trying to hope his stats looked better w a big gain?
If you are going to point out the drops for one, you have to do it for the other as well. If you look at the situations that Hoyer had passes dropped in the argument becomes how little help he got from his receivers. Add to that the pass Manziel threw to Gordon off his back foot that should have been picked and his initial 3 and out and again, there is absolutely nothing from Manziel to say that he would win 2 and Hoyer would not. http://www.morningjournal.com/sport...-johnny-manziel-brian-hoyer-work-in-no-huddle That's an example of why this decision has more than likely already been made.
Im being honest dont remember a drop 4 Hoyer...I culd b wrong, but just dont recall....I agree Hoyer is gonna start but thats because Pettine is a rookie coach who wants a vet not cause he deserves it.
Gordon had 1 and Hawkins had 1 (not the TD) that were clear drops and there were 3 others that can be argued either way (Jordan, Gordon, Hawkins TD). Hoyer has been showing up John at practice but neither has done anything in the 2 games. In that case, the winner goes to the practice player for now. The game Saturday will be the real test and if both stink again it is Hoyer's by default. At this point John has done nothing to earn the spot and if they both fail Saturday he will still have done nothing. If there was any indication that John would give the Browns a better chance than Hoyer to win more games in those first 3 I would agree with you and would have been pointing it out before we had this discussion. But there is nothing at all to back that up and that is unfortunate for the Browns considering Hoyer has not shown that he is ready to step in and win quickly.
Agreed, he probably will so that is does not look like he is waffling on his own timeline. But if John were to come in and look lights out while Hoyer had another miserable outing it would make it look like he made the decision prematurely. Being that both have stunk so far I would not be surprised if he said he wanted to see them play again this Saturday looking for one of them to step up and take it. If they both fail all he did was delay it a half week.
If he doesnt name a starter....he wuld have to give Manziel the start just to c if he can spark the team
Browns rookie RB Isaiah Crowell has two carries for three yards through two preseason games. It's not a good sign for the ballyhooed UDFA, who is running behind Ben Tate, Terrance West, and Dion Lewis, while Chris Ogbonnaya is an impact special teamer. We've seen it suggested the Browns want to "hide" Crowell in an effort to stash him on the practice squad, but everyone in the NFL knows who Crowell is. (And no one drafted him.) He seems like a roster long shot in Cleveland.
Profootballtalk reports there have been no settlement talks in the Josh Gordon case. It's now been over two weeks since Gordon's appeal was heard, but the sides have yet to come to the bargaining table. They still could, but it would seem to grow less likely by the day. Absent a settlement, Gordon is looking at an all-or-nothing proposition (16 games if the ruling is upheld, zero if it's not). Reports from last week suggested the case should be settled before the end of this week.
CLEVELAND, Ohio -- CBS analyst and former Bengals quarterback Boomer Esiason raised his own middle finger to Johnny Manziel Tuesday by unloading on the rookie on his radio show. "I'm telling you right now, he is not even remotely close to being ready," Esiason said at the open of his show on WFAN in New York. "If he opened as the starting quarterback in Pittsburgh in Week 1, he would get his ass kicked. And his ass would be driven into the ground. Because I'm telling you, other teams hate this guy. Hate him." Esiason is apparently Johnny Football'ed out, from his offseason escapades to his "wreck this league together'' to quarterbacks coach Dowell Loggains on draft day to his middle-finger salute to the Redskins Monday. "Yeah, OK. You're gonna get wrecked, son," he said. "You know, the NFL is about as unforgiving a place as there is on God's green earth. It is a man's place. It is for people that have a very, very strong constitution. Whether or not you can handle it is going to be determined by your maturity level. And right now, this kid is a baby." Browns coach Mike Pettine had no reaction to Esiason's rant. "That's Boomer's opinion and he's entitled to it,'' said Pettine, who could name his starter as early as Wednesday. "Any quarterback that we put out there against Pittsburgh, we'll have confidence in and the gameplan built around them that they can be successful."
Based on an assumption like the one above, wouldn't it then make sense to start the rookie by default? If you have a guy who cannot hack it, is a career back-up and is in the final year of his deal versus a guy who your F/O traded up to secure the rights to, is a rookie with a high ceiling but who is currently not hacking it either, why wouldn't you start the guy who's going to eventually be leading the team anyway? Hoyer only starts if: 1. They know they're screwed this year and want to keep the blood and target marks off Manziel's back, or 2. He's far and away better than Manziel. We know it ain't #2.
He has done nothing to earn that in practice and there is no 'spark' in the team when Manziel has been on the field.
Why would he have to be far and away better than John to win the starting job? All he has to do is be better. You follow what you consider an assumption with 4 assumptions of you own. Manziel has shown nothing in the preseason to earn the spot and if he has in your opinion I would like to read it. There is no guarantee that Manziel will ever be a quality QB in this league and his 'ceiling' is a lot lower than what a lot of people have discussed this off-season and his body of work so far only backs that point.
