Shanahan has a horrible offense and RG3 was probably laughing it up on the sidelines....I understand running a few nakeds here or there to keep a defense honest, but to make that almost ur staple offense is insane.....teams just keep their backside DE home and the QB has to retreat deep in the backfield and they have no where to go w the ball by the time the others on defense react to the play. The QB rotation is almost CYO like especially when u go 3 n out and then sit for 15-20 mins....now Pettine is pretty much forced into a decision cause he decided awhile bak that he wanted to set a date instead of just rollin w the punches and let their play make the decision. I agree w Irish....if this is how this season will go w the flags, I wont even watch the NFL and just stick to college...their so used to throwing flags they throw them when there's not even a foul and then pick it up....lol
AS frustrated as I am with the QB and right side of the O-line...This offense is going no where if these receivers don't get their heads out of their asses. Game one was all about their ineptness. This game was a little more of a team effort. But if you watch this game (I punishingly did it twice, then promptly deleted it), these receivers are making no adjustments to the defense. Where was Austin tonight? I don't recall seeing any injury status on him? This group will not grow with a QB carousel. They need to pick whomever they are picking and let these WRs get on the same page as the QB. They need to learn the QB tendencies so that they are in the right spot when the throw comes their way. I think that is the single biggest problem with this offense right now...well that and Mitchell Scwartz attempting to play in the zone blocking scheme. It's open season on that right side. He has got to shut down some of that pressure. And I know I am going to get flack for this, but I think that QB should be Manziel. He has had more accurate passes than Hoyer at this point and has sucked the least to put it mildly. His upside is higher and he needs to be thrown to the wolves like he was in college. He will adapt faster than Hoyer and the receivers will get on the same page for an effective offense sooner than later. THEY CANNOT continue to split first team reps with these guys... Hmm, I think I just came up with my biggest concern..coaching.. :|
What happened last night with our QB's was predictable. Alternating QB's? Really? Why not just tie everybody's shoelaces together? It was a complete waste. I'm not going to be TOO hard on the O-line, because they were put in an impossible position too, just like the QB's....They had to deal with a different cadence every other drive, with a different guy runnin the huddle. Hell they basically had to go to a different playbook every other drive! It was just stupid all the way around.... I blame the coaches first. The plan was awful. Im just some guy in his living room that saw this coming a mile away, which makes me wonder how Pettine and Shanahan can be that dumb. It's sad....And I know there was no chance for the QB's to develope any rhythem whatsoever, but that's NO excuse for the innaccuracy that was displayed by both...smh
I don't know, Irish. If you're judging by QB play, I may just have to argue for Connor Shaw after last night (or Grossman who can't be any worse than Hoyer or Manziel)at this point. Hell, it may come down to who can hand the ball off the best. They're both bad, so far. Dropped balls are killing us. And if a few of those balls were caught, we may have had a clear winner in the QB race. Can't say I've paid a ton of attention (been packing up the house and watching a few minutes here and there when I take a break). I think Hoyer's had a few more dropped from the bits I've seen where Manziel has had a few more balls thrown where it was just off the mark for the WR's to catch. Again, sloppy WR play doesn't help and I'm sure it's both drops and route running. And what's with all the flags. Good gravy. 21 freaking penalties last night!!!!! I hope the refs are just making a point in the preseason with this offensive holding by the DB's. Have you watched any other games Irish? And is it just as bad in them too? If these penalties persist, there are gonna be a lot of pissed off fans when their team loses in the playoffs or even the Super Bowl because some ref thinks he might have seen a "hold" after 5 yards.
Johnny Manziel completed 7-of-16 passes for 65 yards and one touchdown in Cleveland's second preseason game against the Redskins on Monday night. Brian Hoyer got the start and wasn't any better. He and Manziel both struggled throughout the first half, as they rotated every two series. The two combined to go 4-of-13 for 45 yards in the first half, and each had a QB rating under 45. Manziel played a couple series in the second half against the Redskins' backups, leading a 16-play touchdown drive that was finished off by a Dion Lewis eight-yard catch-and-run score. Manziel misfired on a number of passes in the first half. Coach Mike Pettine may want to get another look at these two before naming his starter.
I have no idea what the NFL is thinking with all the penalties. It's unwatchable....Every game I've seen has been the same. Flags all over the place. WTF are they doin to the game??? I just can't believe the arrogance of the NFL owners, to put a product like that out there for everyone to watch. smh Should be a big year for college football...I look more and more forward to to college ball with every one of these absurd flag fest NFL preseason games i witness....Clearly the owners have decided that they want every game to be 52 to 49 affair. It sucks! When did "defense" become a bad word?
It just feels like we wasted a preseason game. The last team in the world that can afford to waste an evaluation opportunity, just did. And they did it in spectacular fashion. Complete with the obligatory composure losing moment from the hot shot rookie, when Johnny flipped the bird to the Washington bench....lol! All on MNF no less, for the whole world to see. It was an embarrassing night for the Cleveland Browns...they once again showed the world that they are light years away from being "ready" for primetime....
Putrid. Just absolutely phuquing putrid. If it was Hoyer's job to lose last night . . . he may have actually gone and done just that. But Johnny Asshat wasn't any better. Two, repeat . . . TWO . . . completed passes in the entire first half - combined? We all knew our receiving corps talent level was somewhere between St. Ignatius' and Appalachia State's (no disrespect to those two fine institutions intended), but when the ball comes in continuously high and behind or low and behind the receiver, there's absolutely no chance for them to drop the ball on their own. The old adage "when you have two quarterbacks, you have none" rings true once again. Mitchell Schwartz picked up right where he left off last year. Too soon to move Joe Bitonio to RT, slide Greco back to LG and promote McQuistan to 1st team? On a brighter note . . . that goal line stand was a thing of beauty. Even if the ball carriers' knee wasn't down, his helmet came off prior to ball breaking the plane and the play should have been dead at that instant. We lost a rushing TD last year (?) on that very same call. Farmer, Pettine and Shanahan created this clusterphuque . . . its up to them to fix it. Looks like they will have two top five picks next year to help bail them out.
That was very nice. I think it showed what this defense is capable of doing. Too bad they're gonna be worn out from having been on the field so long since the offense won't be doing much. Maybe all these penalty flags giving them a breather won't be so bad.
We're only seeing those flags because the opposing QB is putting the ball where the receiver has a chance to catch it. Explains why the Lions and Redskins didn't get that many thrown at them.
showstopper makes a really good point here. With both quarterbacks struggling, how much of this can be attributed to an outdated and archaic offensive philosophy? Shannahan is a chip off the old block with a "my way or the highway" approach to an offensive philosophy that the majority of the NFL is abandoning. The best offenses today (not run by guys like Peyton Manning) are adaptive and innovative. As bad as our offense looks now, as much blame belongs on the coaches as it does the players.
Mitchell Schwartz should probably be cut this morning. Johnny Manziel. Irish is spot on here. You don't draft a QB in the first round if you don't intend to start him at some point. Manziel is the heir apparent. He's faster, more accurate, boasts a better arm and -- quite frankly -- is making better decisions than Hoyer (minus flipping the bird).
*ROFL* I just figure with all these flags, the WR's are just going to start running into the DB's to get a flag and a free first down. I just hope fans start getting pissed before games start taking 4-5 hours to play because of these stupid flags. Gonna be slower than baseball before long or, as TD mentioned, defenses pretty much get outlawed and players have to play with their hands in their pockets. Maybe Pettine can trademark the DB's playing with sparring gloves in practice. Maybe that leads to an increase in sales for the Stick-Em industry since the DB's won't be able to catch the dang ball.
I, for one, will not defend Brian Hoyer. He had his chance to show what he had and he crapped in his mess kit. He not only should lose the starters job, he probably pissed away any chance he had at a nice contract with either the Browns or someone else. Name Johhny Asshat the starter and, at least, try to make fertilizer out of crap.
Grossman! Grossman! Grossman! Can't have a season without instilling some QB controversy with Hoyer being brushed to the side.
I see as much "read option" in Kyle Shanahan's offense as any. Not sure if trashing the OC is really fair. I'd say he's adapted to the times and added plenty. His time in Washington and Texas has shown that he can be a pretty good play-caller. Unfortunately, we are just a mess right now with 2 unproven QB's trying to learn the offense on the fly....It's ugly, and we STILL don't know what's going on with Josh Gordon. I'm not even sure he should be out there taking reps with the starters.... They should have started Manziel last night and let him have the first half. They set themselves up for a night of confusion and bad timing throughout. Thank goodness for an opportunistic defense or that thing coulda got really bad.
I don't care who they pick, but I agree they need to give him the reins and do it now so they have the rest of preseason to get their act together. And as much as I'd like Manziel to learn a bit and ride the bench and not see him go through the gauntlet of the Browns' first three opponents, they may as well start him. If he stinks it up, we've got 2 high 1st round picks to trade up with after they blow it and win 4 or 5 games and wind up 5th or 6th in the draft order again. And if Manziel wins................ *YAHOO*
Connor Shaw looked better than any of them ..exits stage left quickly if the WR don't catch the ball it wont matter who is under center . they overpaid for Hawkins from the Bungholes . he should have caught the TD pass Hoyer threw . it was a little behind him but still catchable . we will spend another first round pick on a QB next year me thinks . Johnny Beiber wont be any better . he will flame out or weird out before the season ends another long year in store .." sigh "
Where too start? Flags are thrown on every other play. The Rams-Packers game was the same thing as last night. The NFL has to address it, the stoppage of the clock is going to make the game 4 hours at some point. :| Let the defense play, the receivers both TEs and big wideouts now are big enough to fend for themselves. Of course the DBs will go to far at a point, then throw the f..king flag but every other pass, bull s..t. %) As far a Johnny and Hoyer, yeh that was horrible and it wasn't against the Steelers or Ravens or Bengals, it was against the Redskins and little Shanny knows them. *BYE* I can't believe this is what we have to look at for an offense this whole year. I also agree, put a QB in and let him go, Johnny, Hoyer, Gross Man whoever, just a guy versus a gang. I thought the defense played OK, they can keep the Browns in games as long as they don't have to be out there 50-60 minutes every game. *SORRY* I vented enough for now, I have already vented how Rodgers carved the Rams up and how the line couldn't open a seam for Stacy. *WALL* Glad it is only the preseason but s..t we need to get better and quick.
