First off Weeden was, is and always be sorry. Stick to hitting clay pigeons my man. Second, Let me say that I didn't want Manziel with the #4 pick. But with the 22nd pick we got the best college QB the last 2 years. That is how these guys are judged. Am I saying he is Luck or Manning and Rodgers, NO!!!!!!! All of you know how piss poor this organization has been the last 14 years. Goggles or not. Maybe most of you are content being the laughing stock of the NFL. Got use to it and you will root for your hometown Browns no matter how bad they are. But before this draft the Browns were drowning. FBI problems, No Coach, No GM and then theres the LOSING! It didn't look very good around here. Then along came a breath of fresh air. The best QB in college football for 2 years. Ticket sales, jersey sales, national media and a sense that the Browns finally did something right. Not just Gordon being a dumbass. Manziel has over shadowed that. Every other night he and the Browns are on ESPN. Not just for coaching changes, losing and pot smoking. Manziel is here for 3 reason's fellas. To put butts in the stands, to create excitement and to win!!!!! Without playing 1 down he has already done 2 out of the 3. Enjoy it Bluez. The Browns got the best QB in college football. If he fails, we have been here before. If he wins, then we all will be happy. For Browns fans there is only one way to go, UP!!!!
So u didnt want Manziel at 4 but at 22 u got the best QB the last 2 yrs.....did that player change? Whats the difference where he was drafted....if he becomes the top QB in the league, Hall of Famer and wins SB u still wuldnt have wanted him at 4? smh
Stopper There were 7 other positions that could start here. Gilbert fits that. So would Watkins, Barr, Mosley, Clowney, Evans, Mathews, Robinson and Mack. The Browns don't plan on starting Manziel and I agree with that. But his ability I don't doubt. If I was Jacksonville and looking for a QB, I would of took Manziel. To trade down, get 2 extra picks and still land Manziel was awesome. I wanted no QB with #4 pick. No more Richardson's for this team. A player that highly picked has to start unless of injury. Say if Manning tore his ACL in week 1 and the Bronco's had the 3rd pick then take the QB you like. Manziel is 100x more athletic than Hoyer. If Hoyer wasn't from here half the people on here wouldn't know who he is. But I still feel Johnny is the best QB coming out. Didn't you watch college football the last 2 years, man? Or just shiting out your mouth or fingers.
Lines 1 - 3 belie line 4. He's the best QB, the best prospect, the best on the team... but I don't agree with starting him?
Right... it has been a while since we've been excited about the QB position. I guess we should just accept Hoyer's "impressive" 77.4 career QB rating and anoint him the next coming. Screw him how? He isn't owed anything. He's a below-average career backup with one year remaining on his deal. Johnny Franchise is the future of the position and was drafted as such.
Ya I watched a ton of college football and enjoyed every second of it.....Go Noles!!!!!!! I also wuldnt of had a problem taking Manziel at 4 since he wuld have been rated in my top 4 of the WHOLE draft.....now its just a matter of when he will leave the way they are treating the poor kid.....u can tell the Browns have a rookie GM w his comments that just arnt necessary and prbly have Manziel shaking his head. Tyler Thigpen r u fn kidding me...they just signed the guy a couple of weeks ago so what does he have to go by w his status?
SAS Nothing would make me happier to see him start. But it wont take long for him to be the starter. I would not let him go out the gate. The Browns schedule is brutal at the start of the season. I have no doubt he will out play Hoyer in preseason. Hoyer is a career backup. He wouldnt start on any other team but the Browns. I dont feel a guy should lose his starting spot due to injury. He played and they won. Bottom line. Let him start, see how Johnny progresses. If its good, the Browns are losing then SHOOT THE F-ING GUN. But it is going to be hard to bench him if he comes in and tears it up. I think by week 5 Johnny Football will be QBing this team. I see them going 1-3 or 0-4 out the gate.
funny Irish wait till he does something first is all I am saying . he just saw his first playbook ..ever has he took a snap from under center yet ? PHUQUE IT!
It's been a really long time since Browns fans have had any reason to be this excited.... I have this friend of mine. He's about the same age as me and a lifelong Steelers fan. His son is 17 years old. Good kid. Grew up in a Steeler household so I can't hold his love for the black and gold against him. All his life he has supported the Steelers, but being the teenager that he is, I have noticed him sporting other teams' gear over the last year or so. He had a Russell Wilson jersey on during last years SB, which of course I was giving him heat about....and of course he loves the Miami Heat and whatever else is popular. Anyway , pretty normal teenager....Well this afternoon I see him, and he's actually wearing a Cleveland Browns #2 Johnny Manziel jersey. lol! I asked him, what is up with that? He says, "I've always loved Johnny Manziel. He's the most exciting player in football history. blah blah blah I don't care what team he plays for, I'm a fan, and I'm wearin his jersey."....I said "has your dad seen that?" ...and he said "yes. dad really hates it." LMAO! just had to share. You have no idea how much joy this brings to my heart. This might be the greatest thing ever. THAT'S the power of Johnny Manziel!
lol! SS don't be ridiculous...You gotta see the bigger picture here. The Browns are handling this exactly the way they should. Johnny needs to earn his spot the right way. He knows it, and he has NO problem with it. The depth chart rings completely hollow if ya just put him in a spot he hasn't earned. Besides, it's only May dude. If Johnny is what we think he is, moving on up the chart shouldn't be a problem....Stop worrying about Johnny's feelings. He can handle it. He want's to be a part of this....More importantly, Johnny Manziel himself wants it this way. He wants to show his team first that he is the man for the job... Just because some dolts in the national media dont like our approach because they have had limited access to all things "Johnny", doesn't mean squat....The Browns are doing things right.
Stopper Are you really that stupid or just playing it through your computer? His size and attitude where the only things to question about him. He dominated college football and college football's best conference for 2 years. You don't think Farmer & Haslem are down playing him a little bit. Playing stupid? If asked how he looked everyday I would say he suck's too. Why wouldn't the down trottin Browns want all this media buzz? That was part of the reason in getting him! Create a positive buzz! Farmer and Haslem are going to try their best to humble him and the whole situation. Or make it a 3 ring circus. Haslem right now is creaming in his pants every time he hears Johnny Manziel and Cleveland Browns together. His ability was never in question. As I asked you before...... Have you watched college football the last 2 years? Today the coach said he was inconsistent. Tomorrow he will say he made the wrong reads. The next day his timing will be off. WATCH!!!! You never let them know what cards you hold. Why wouldn't the worst franchise in football for over 13 years want the national media there for positivity? They can control the local media. They are the Browns. They own the town. They can control what is said. Don't be surprised when they put a muzzle on him to the media. They just want to make sure his mental mind set is right. Not his physical set. The man can dominate the college game. We wont know until preseason and then real game's if he can play in this league. But cant you say that about every rookie coming in? You already talked smack about Watkins and Evans. You already think they will suck. I wanted Watkins with that #4 pick. Before we knew about Gordon. I would hate to think what you would of said about him if we drafted him. I'm a negative Browns fan too, just like you. But this could end up changing all that negativity. So if you are any type of Browns fan just sit back and enjoy the NOW! Or you might miss it.
Gotta respectfully disagree here. I don't have a problem with him earning his spot or competing to be the starter -- I'm a fan of that. What I do have a problem with is the whirlwind media tour conducted by the F/O berating him constantly. From all the reports received thus far, his teammates love him. They think he's down to earth and just "one of the guys". Doesn't sound like a person with an attitude issue or "diva mentality". The F/O would have been better suited to just say the same thing for everyone: "We're here to build the best team possible and we want to find out who those guys are through position battles." And then leave it at that. They look pathetic telling the media no access to Manziel, and then constantly belittling and berating him whenever they themselves talk... to the media!
I think, like everything that involves Johnny, this is being blown way out of proportion.They aren't berating him at all. They are puting him through the proper steps. His teammates need to see that Johnny is both physically and mentally tough. That's how he proves himself to everybody and becomes the true leader of this team. No team has EVER had to deal with this sort of spotlight on a rookie player. JM enters the NFL having already achieved major celebrity status. These are unchartered waters....The Browns are handling this fine. It hasn't been perfect, but who cares. Johnny will rise to the top in relatively short order once the games mean something, and all this trivial bs people are talkin about will be long forgotten....Everything is magnified right now. The depth chart in May means nothing. Do you think we are the first team that ever used the media to motivate a player to work hard? Give me a break. This is common....
I agree TD, the depth chart is fluid at this moment... Brian Hoyer is the obvious #1 in May considering he is the only one on the depth chart that was here in 2013 and has worked with the veterans on the team...received his playbook in April prior to the veteran mini camp. Tyler Thigpen is #2 by default...he received his playbook on May 1st just over a week before Manziel and had already played in the system at Kansas City. Manziel #3 has had his playbook since May 9th (or roughly a week before the first OTA in which he was "labeled" 3rd string) and will be moving ahead of Thigpen in short order, possibly ahead of Hoyer if he isn't cleared for full 11 on 11 drills during the next session. It is a process, it really means absolutely nothing in May.
At least someone gets it....I never said he shuld b given the job....he must earn it, but they keep taking these little shots at the kid. He is behind Hoyer by a "substantial margin"....who says that to the media....tell him behind the scenes or just make a comment like he is working hard but still learning. They havnt had a player like him in yrs and it shows they are struggling to handle it the right way or approach
Yep Im stupid....I have no clue but I would luv my coaches to tell me I stink everyday...that shuld build confidence. How bout u tell it like it is...if he was great u acknowledge it and if he was piss poor u state that as well....u can hide it all u want but when games come around ur not gonna b able to hide the truth
CLEVELAND ? Perhaps you've heard about how winter here just ended two weeks ago, how the supremely talented 2013 NFL receiving leader Josh Gordon could be headed for an indefinite suspension and how 56-million-dollar-man Nick Swisher was hitting .211 coming into Wednesday's action. The Cleveland Cavaliers recently fired their coach -- just like they did last year around this time -- and the Browns have fired everybody, in some cases twice over, since Jimmy Haslam was introduced as the new owner of Cleveland's favorite team 21 months ago. Yep, Haslam is the same guy whose Flying J company got raided by the FBI and the IRS last April. In Cleveland sports, this stuff comes in pairs, threes and by the dozen, too. That coach just fired by the Cavaliers, Mike Brown, was also fired by the Cavaliers four years ago, just before LeBron James fired Cleveland on national television and took his talents to Miami. You know that story, too, and how it fits both the popular narrative and recent history. Cleveland might rock, but its sports teams generally stink. Especially lately. Since "The Decision" by LeBron, Cleveland's teams and fans have been greeted by derision from both near and far. The Baltimore Ravens, the team that used to be the Browns, won another Super Bowl 15 months ago. LeBron has two rings and two more MVPs, and though the Indians made the postseason last year for the first time since 2007, they were eliminated in one game. At home. Across Cleveland and surrounding areas -- areas full of people who love sports and their teams as much as anybody, anywhere -- waiting for the next year and pointing to the future have become the norm. Clevelanders are addicted to draft picks, adept at patient rebuilds and always anxious for what might be if two or three or 15 things fall into place. Suddenly, two have. Against all probabilities on Tuesday night, the Cavaliers came out of the lottery with the No. 1 pick in next month's NBA Draft. There's no guarantee that's going to lead to success, but suddenly the Cavaliers might get more returned calls in their wide search for a new coach. Suddenly, too, the Cavaliers' chances of landing Kevin Love via trade or an opted-out LeBron this summer went from "slim and none" to "slim yet at least worth talking about." Cleveland sports teams as real players and conversation pieces not involving laughter or failure? Maybe. This latest Browns house-cleaning was best for the future, and though the Browns still have a bunch to overcome they spent the free-agent period adding proven players with big-stage experience and gave both the organization and a beaten-down fanbase a jolt with the drafting of Johnny Manziel, who you might know as Johnny Football and who said of the Browns back in February, "I don't care if they've had 20 starting quarterbacks since 1999. I'm going to be the 21st and the guy that brought them the Super Bowl." At very least, Manziel represents hope. The NBA Lottery's ping-pong ball machine hadn't even cooled off Tuesday night before Manziel was tweeting about top NBA prospect Andrew Wiggins; the two have a mutual friend in rapper Drake and were mentioned by name in Drake's recent song "Draft Day." In Cleveland, it seems like it's always draft day. And that's OK, because the NFL Draft and now the upcoming NBA Draft have restored good vibes and big dreams. The Browns are getting TV time. The Cavaliers are getting TV time. A whole bunch of nothing has been won or accomplished yet, but famous people and their famous friends could land in Cleveland. This Drake guy, it seems, roots for whoever's winning. Cleveland would welcome him. It's only been 50 years since the Browns won the NFL title, the last title for any major Cleveland professional sports team. The Cavaliers have won 97 games since LeBron left but they've won three draft lotteries. That's a start, right? The Browns haven't moved in almost 20 years. Gordon hasn't been suspended yet. Nobody loves drafts like Cleveland fans love drafts, and the most recent draft yielded Manziel, cornerback Justin Gilbert and an extra 2015 first-round pick courtesy of the Buffalo Bills, one of those teams Browns fans circle on the schedule each April as a game that looks winnable. Maybe all this luck is about to change. Maybe all these picks and assets and years of bad decisions and luck can be rolled into good vibes and good players and good results going forward. Certainly, there's at least a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel. Wednesday's forecast called for clouds and storms. By the time the Browns took the field in suburban Berea for their second of 10 spring organized team activity (OTA) practices, though, it was sunny. Honestly. Maybe, just maybe, it will stay that way.
