very dissapointing game. Weeden continues to look bad, and repeated his fluttering underhand pass. Idiot! He isn't alone at sukking though. The recievers don't fight through anything, don't come back to the play, and of course drop passes. For a guy in need of some confidence boosting, he has no one helping. Guys don't turn around in time to see the ball, constantly are looking for the officials to flag someone for them not getting open. Do any of them have a set? Our QB isn't going to morph into Tom Brady, it just isn't in him, so he's a goner at the end of the season, but do any of them want to be here? It looked like Gordon was sulking, giving up on routes, etc.... and Cameron was nearly invisible. The running game was adequate, but is never going to be the difference maker for us so the recieving corps has to play at their best cause Weeden isn't going to make recievers of them. All the joy of 3 and 2 is long gone. I still believe we have enough talent on this team, to compete and win games, but the O has to be better. Drops, poor passes, penalties, sacks, etc....... seem insurmountable to this group the last two weeks. When Weeds and the team fought back to beat Buffalo, I saw a "team" that played as a whole, and lifted one another up. I haven't seen it since, and I miss that team. I guess we will get to see if Chud is the coach who can raise a team up, or if he's just a custodian coach, learning the ropes. Can he face down adversity, and rally this group to give their all? Not too sure myself.
I'm not sure it's time to start banging on Chud . . . Yet. At this point in his tenure, he was entered in the Indianapolis 500 and handed the keys to a Yugo. There is no way he will be able motivate this offense as long as he has Brandon Yugo Weeden under center. The only thing I can say about Chud is that he better grow a set and, at least, go down in flames from doing SOMETHING! ANYTHING! And that would include giving Campbell a shot. Weeden has proven, in two consecutive weeks, that he is dumber than box of rocks and is totally incapable of playing the game at this level. Weeden is SOOOO bad that he is dragging down what little talent (or potential talent) there is on the roster. What does he (Chud) have to lose?
In all seriousness, yes... we can start to question/blame DUDzinski. He's choosing to keep guys like Campbell on the bench. That's not a president or GM call. Campbell, who's only a placeholder, but who offers a .440 winning percentage, versus Weeden, who's the worst Browns starting QB of all time. The same guy who doesn't believe in half-time adjustments. Or who decides to eschew the running game after it worked. Or who some crazy how plays Devone Bess over Travis Benjamin on returns. Weeden MUST go, but ask yourself. Without Ray Horton's incredible turn-around on defense, what would some of these games looked like? Our offense is atrocious.
GREEN BAY, WI Tony Grossi?s Take on the Browns? 31-13 loss to the Green Bay Packers Offense: How can a quarterback throw 42 times and accumulate just 149 yards? That?s a yards-per-attempt mark of 3.5. Brandon Weeden had balls squirting out of his hands and sailing out of bounds. Receivers dropped passes and slipped on cuts. It was one horrendous offensive showing all the way around. An early 14-0 deficit contributed to a running game that was no concern to the defense ? 83 yards on 23 attempts. Weeden did have one touchdown to Jordan Cameron, but also these ugly numbers ? three sacks, one interception, one underhanded incompletion and a passer rating of 48.6. Bottom line: Deflating. Defense: Just as we propped up Buster Skrine, the cornerback had a miserable game. Assigned to Jarrett Boykin, who would be Green Bay?s fourth receiver without other injuries, Skrine allowed most, if not all, of Boykins eight catches on 10 targets for 103 yards and one touchdown. With the pass rush spinning its wheels again, Aaron Rodgers did pretty much what he wanted. The only hit on the day was what looked like a perfectly legal shoulder hit by safety Tashaun Gipson that knocked tight end Jermichael Finley out of the game with a neck injury. Gipson drew a penalty for ?targeting with his head.? Bottom line: Another rough day on third downs, allowing 7 of 13 conversions. Special teams: Quite an eventful game, as they tried everything to contribute. Chris Ogbonnaya had a successful run for a first down out of punt formation. Billy Cundiff made field goals from 46 and 44 yards, but was denied a 48-yard try into the wind in the fourth quarter. In his first kickoff return of the year, Travis Benjamin had an 86-yard return. Fozzy Whittaker had one for 56 yards. There were a couple of penalties, too, after the game was long decided. Bottom line: Outgained opponent, 189 yards to 56. Coaching: On perhaps the decisive play of the game, Rob Chudzinski forsook a 48-yard field goal attempt with Green Bay ahead, 17-6. He said it was ?out of range? for Cundiff at that point. The fourth-down pass by Weeden to Josh Gordon was broken up. The overall offensive game plan may have been thrown out the window after a 14-0 deficit, resulting in another 42-23 pass-run imbalance. The attention to third-down improvement on defense went for naught. Bottom line: Nearing a decision on the quarterback.
I'm with Sam...There has got to be at least a dozen available QBs that could manage this game better than Weeden..He needs to go now. Problem is I don't believe Campbell even wants to play football anymore. He took a contract expecting to just show up to practice and collect a paycheck. We need to find some unknown hungry young guy who wants to prove something...Come Lombardi
I don't believe I'm saying this but what about Tebow? At least he can run plus he has God on his side. He can't be no worse than Weeden. Matter of fact he is a lucky type guy. Also the media would be all over the Browns for signing him. That's 3 things he could bring to the Browns. Mobile QB, leadership at the QB spot and God being on his side and the Browns need that. Weeden is good for 1/2 sometimes 3 picks a game. And lets face it Weeden is one of the worst QB's in the league. I heard the Rams are looking at Tebow. While the Browns FO sits on their arses. Personally I don't think the FO want's to win. They want one of those QB's coming out along with me. Again I like that plan. After 14 years its time the Browns groom a young QB. Let Hoyer start and trade Weeden for a box of peanuts because that is all his is worth.
I think the FO would like to win, don't get me wrong, I wouldn't go that far...however, I don't think the GM or President lose sleep when they get one better draft slot with each loss either... TBH, with Weeden in there, I am resigned to the fact we have a better shot at getting a better QB in the draft...sad, but true. However, I still can't stand to lose and watching Weeden makes my stomach turn. I would suggest we give some other young gun a shot at the big time, who otherwise will be stuck on practice squads elsewhere... I have found four such candidates in: Atlanta Falcon's Seth Doege, UDFA from Texas Tech 6'1" who will never compete with Matt Ryan Oakland Raider's Tyler Wilson, 2013 Rd 4 pick from Arkansas 6'2", not sure what he did to drop so far, but he was at one time considered a top ten draft pick and now cannot make the Raiders...Could be another Weeden, could be another wasted talent on a practice squad?? Jacksonville Jaguars' Matt Scott, 2013 UDFA from Arizona 6'3". I was actually surprised he wasn't a late round draft pick, and even more surprised he is stuck on the practice squad of this QB starved team. Indianapolis Colts' Chandler Harnish, 2012 7th round Mr Irrelevant from N. Illinois 6'2". Very good QB in the MAC, but the smaller school label pushed him nearly out of the draft altogether in the same year they drafted Andrew Luck. Personally, these guys are basically free as they are all practice squad players, take a flyer on Harnish and see what the kid can do!! What's the worst that could happen? We end up with as many wins as with Weeden? This team is going down hill fast with his lack of leadership. The team has lost the will to win, imho.
free agent QB'S as of Sept 24 Quarterbacks Vince Young Byron Leftwich David Carr Matt Leinart John Skelton Tyler Thigpen Trent Edwards Tim Tebow Dennis Dixon Pat White Graham Harrell JaMarcus Russell B.J. Coleman Mike Kafka Caleb Hanie John Beck A.J. Feeley Stephen McGee Jordan Palmer Nate Enderle
I read last spring that the FO stated that this year is basically a throw away year ..that bugs me that they would say that to us long suffering fans and season ticket holders . I don't expect them to do much more the rest of this season . I don't think they want to as they are all in on next years draft . that is BS!! There are QB'S that could be plucked . if Weeds gets hurt :rolleyes: they will have to sign someone . he has had every chance to show that he can get the job done . I thought that after Hoyer went down that it would serve as a wakeup call . he just is not a NFL QB . where is the Walrus with his snarky comments now ? he ran his fat pie hole after they traded T Rich who has done NOTHING for the Colts ..
Time to make a change It?s time. As a matter of fact, it?s high time. It?s high time to introduce Brandon Weeden to the clipboard. Yep, the professionalizing of Brandon Weeden as a football player has bottomed out on the National Football League level. He?s not nearly the quarterback he was for a couple of years at Oklahoma State. If anything, he is regressing and he?s taking the Browns? offense down with him. And if head coach Rob Chudzinski and offensive coordinator Norv Turner don?t see that, then there?s no hope for them, either. Sunday?s putrid performance in the 31-13 loss to the Packers in Green Bay stands as ample proof that Weeden, at best, is a backup quarterback in the NFL. The only way he should play is if another quarterback is injured. And since Jason Campbell, the only other quarterback on the Cleveland roster, is in perfect health, well . . . draw your own conclusions. Not that Campbell is the quarterback of the future for this franchise, but at least he can play a more representative brand of football than Weeden, who still seems overwhelmed at how the game is played on the NFL plane. He is hurting this team more than perhaps even he realizes. With any kind of a performance that approached decent, the Browns might have had a shot to make it a game because the Packers, in large part due to a Cleveland defense that played well after a slow start, did not play that well. The game seems too fast for Weeden, who looks somewhat bewildered in the pocket and too frequently makes the incorrect throw or takes a sack. When he holds the ball for more than four seconds, count on a negative play of some sort. His pocket awareness if woefully abysmal. He does not seem to feel or sense when the opposition is getting close and is painfully slow to react or recognize when trouble lurks. When he does, it?s usually too late and he either goes down or makes a dumb play. It?s almost as though the light comes on a second or two after it should. It?s maddening to the fans when Weeden doesn?t seem to learn from his mistakes. He keeps repeating them and no amount of coaching is going to straighten him out. If he made them yesterday and today, he?ll no doubt make them tomorrow. He is who he is and he can?t be changed. That has become painfully obvious. Somewhere along the line, it was hoped he would show a modicum of improvement. You know, it?s like anything else. If you do something enough times, you probably will get better at it. Not Weeden. He is clearly regressing. With him, the correctable is not correctable. For example, remember that bonehead pass (Weeden?s words) he threw in last Sunday's loss to the Detroit Lions? The one he sort of shoveled sideways that was intercepted and eventually went viral on You Tube? Well, he did it again against the Packers, this time underhanding the ball toward Chris Ogbonnaya on the Browns? final possession of the game late in the fourth quarter. The only difference is this one fell incomplete. Defenses are designed, of course, to confuse quarterbacks. And it?s working all two well with Weeden, who seems to be confused, dazed and befuddled on nearly every pass play. The recognition factor is really not a factor with him. Rarely does he get rid of the ball in three seconds or less. And against the Packers, he had all sorts of time because the offensive line was solid in pass protection most of the afternoon. His 17-for-42, 149-yard effort was embarrassing. Yes, the receivers dropped a few of his passes. But that in no way factored into the final result. When clutch throws were needed, they arrived as incompletions. They were either overthrown (twice) in the end zone or underthrown, resulting in an interception. If Chudzinski and Turner stubbornly insist on staying with Weeden even though the game hasn?t slowed down for him, they can expect performances similar to the one we witnessed in Green Bay. Weeden does not deserve to be this team?s starting quarterback anymore. He has done nothing to prove to the coaching staff or the front office that he belongs under center on a weekly basis. And it?s not a matter of being spoiled by the way Brian Hoer played the position when he was healthy. There is a clear difference between the way Hoyer and Weeden play the game. Hoyer, to be perfectly blunt, is way more cerebral and brings that to his game. During Packers week, Chudzinski had nothing but good things to say about Weeden. ?I thought he?s had his best couple of days of practice . . . very focused and receptive to coaching,? he said. ?You can see him doing things. Specifically working to improve in areas that we?re talking about where he needs to improve. . . . I have confidence in him, like the team does, to go out and play his very best." Well, if what we saw Sunday in Green Bay was Weeden?s very best, then the bar has been lowered substantially. How focused did he look against the Green Bay pass rush? Practicing well means squat. There are good practice players, those guys who always look good leading up to a game. They look downright brilliant working against their teammates, then disappear when the game means something. And then there are game players, those guys who come out, no matter how they practice, and perform a whole lot better when the game means something than they do in practice. Give me the game player, the guy who goes out there and performs at or above his capability. My game players will beat your good practice players every time. And that confidence of which Chudzinski spoke? Wonder where it?s at now. For a front office that has not been shy about its intention to look to the collegiate ranks for its franchise quarterback, there is still some pride to salvage. After all, there are still nine games left. Weeden has been given every opportunity to prove his worth to the front office and coaching staff. And he keeps failing. Unfailingly. They have to drop the hammer on him at some time if for no other reason than the players will begin to wonder just how important winning is to them and begin to lose confidence. It?s time. It?s high time to go in a different direction. Posted by Rich Passan
They have to drop the hammer on him at some time if for no other reason than the players will begin to wonder just how important winning is to them and begin to lose confidence. It?s time. It?s high time to go in a different direction. True statement ..if they don't do something they will lose the lockeroom
Not that I am volunteering to collect video evidence, but, I'll bet you that Weeden is confused, dazed and befuddled when taking his morning coffee crap. :|
Not sure if everyone is still nursing the hangover of the 4:25pm game yesterday or what, but I expected more "opinions" on the QB position this morning. Has everyone already become so complacent with the 2013 season that they don't care at all? Where are you loungers??? This front office has got to do something to help this virgin HC keep the locker room..
What pisses me off the most is Weeden's seemingly lack of issue with the standard of play...He talks of not losing sleep and focusing on the good things...WHAT GOOD THINGS??? He needs to go...he just needs to leave the building for good.
