The Ditch part deux

Matty, believe me, this is an outdated analysis of kessel, he's really stepped up his defensive game under carlyle.

 

I'll buy that bob, all of it. makes sense that when contract time rolls around youde need quantifiable numbers and not go on gut instinct or expectation.

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I agree that intangibles can't be quantified because then they would be tangibles

truer words never spoken.



Chicago Steel selected Jack Jablonski w/ their last pick in the USHL draft. He was paralyzed playing in a Minny HS game about a year ago. Classy move by the Chicago Steel.

 

Let's come up with a list of intangibles that don't count on the stat sheets.

- Blocked shots

-coming to the aid of your teamate.

-skaing full out for the complete shift

-keeping your stick on the ice at all time while in the d-zone

-clearing the rebound

-not screening your goalie

-removing traffic from the front of the net, without taking a minor

-clearing the puck from your own end, without giving up a turnover

-passing the puck right on the tape of the stick

-taking the pass cleanly, without wasting any time

-not causing any offsides, on an odd man rush

-coming back to prevent an odd man rush

-stealing the puck off the opposing team players stick

- screening the goalie

-removing yourself from the ice when you've had enough

 

fair enough skinny. not looking to argue w/ ya.

hoping for another great game tonight. my wife, who could care less about hockey/sports, was amazed at the amount of fans at the game the other night...watching outside. she asked me if it was already the Cup or something. My response was, 'no just Toronto, pretty much the epicenter of hockey.'

 

lol, I wonder if they went by stats or a list. I'm guessing they didn't use and eye test.

 

It's been 9 years, you haeve a whole generation that hasn't experienced playoff hockey, the city has really changed alot in that time. The only time the city comes alive is during world cup soccer, when everyone cheers for the country of their origin. The city needs something like this to bring it together, too many serparate pockets in the city now, where groups aren't interacting with one anther, something like this is good for toronto.

 

ok, i hate to be the party pooper here (well, no i don't, but that sounds better) - but forget Boston Strong, and forget Toronto stronger.


SIIB!!!

 

i like it skinny.

i'll add- 'smart' line changes, taking the inside lane on the opposition w/out the puck, overall positioning and stick positioning, puck support, giving up the body, ability to turn the tide or not allow an onslaught to continue, and my personal favorite word- sticktuitiveness.

 

Please don't stop the party! Dale!


whats SIIB?

 

thats where your drafting using the eye test would've helped the organization.

 

pffftttt, slacker. try to keep up.


STRONG ISLAND IS BACK!!!

 

sorry, must be my PTSD.

 

ouch, you too? i thought that was confined to penguin fans.

 

That is tracked very well, better than many stats and very tangible

Depends on the type of player. One only has to look at game logs and play by play. Look for a correlation for fights and roughing type penalties immediately following registered hits, penalties, shots on goal, etc. It's an easy to spot trend if players do it or do not. Then you pick your favorite.

Yes, can't be judged on paper.

yes, can't be judged on paper

Play by play, icing, zone finish. You can tie effective shifts from paper to an eye test. Doesn't always work but a strong trend can be established. Shift start and finish times an effective tool for this too.

Can't be judged on paper

Ice time, situational ice time, zone starts, pk time, hits, matching up ice time. Don't need to see a game to make a good guess if a player is effective physically. Enough info is out there.

Similar to clearing the zone.

Good passes and smart passes are not able to be tracked. Takeaways help, but I don't care for how they are scored.

I agree, but if I was to guess I would look up turnovers, pp time, primary assists, shot location, etc. to determine how they were utilized. Not hard to figure out which players coaches like in many situations. Some are crease players, others are well-handed playmakers. Of course I watch the games, I've never tried to project this from paper.

Yep no way to track that. This stat is coming though, I'm sure it exists in some form or another. There are all sorts of weird stats used to track likelihood of a good decision.

No way to track that I'm aware of.

This is tracked somewhat effectively. Some scorers are a little too liberal awarding takeaways though. This is a very tangible quality that is tracked in games.

Depends on the player, over all, yes, you can't track the effectiveness.

Only eyes can determine that one.

 

I didn't know that one either.
Hurts the head.

 

These intangibles are the type of things that the olympic team would look at when deciding who they want on their team, they obviously don't go on stats. I learned this a long time ago, players like turgeon, robataille, francis, gartner, mike green, although had/have great stats, they would never get an invite to the olympic team.

 

-clearing the puck from your own end, without giving up a turnover

i'm looking at you, Malkin! you lazy PoS!!!

sure, Lulz, kick a Penguins fan when he's down. but i was right about that Blanket Party for Fleury. C'mon V!!!

 

blocked shots are an important stat, perhaps even under-rated. you want your team to get down and dirty. the 2009 Penguins were a shot blocking machine, led by Rob Scuderi and Brooks Orpik. i don't see the Pens laying on the ice to help save Fleury's ass this time around... and does that guy need it! Shero should've figured out a way to bring the Scud back to Pittsburgh, since he would rather eat a hockey puck rather than have it get anywhere near the goalie. on a Wheel note, i think Morrow should be suspended for pounding Chicklets (or whatever his name is) into the ice. that was uncalled for. do that s**t in the 2nd period or early 3rd, not when the game is over. i'm also hearing from the HATER-ADE BRIGADE that Letang should be suspended for "cross-checking" the linesman. i've looked at that play several times and couldn't see the "cross-check". anyone?

 

2009-Hawks eliminated Van, Wings eliminated Hawks

 

I already acknowledged that you don't need stats nearly as much when money isn't a factor. I didn't think statsistical analysis was nearly as significant until the players won their free agent status. Money drives the need to quantify talent.


In Mike Green's case, for argument's sake, we don't even need advanced metrics or an eye test to see red flags. All we need to do is to look at the regular NHL.com stats to see he isn't used on the PK, he has about a 2 to 1 turnover to takeaway ratio, he takes a ton of shots (meaning you have to look at those because it's a stat that jumps out), and he jacks up his pt totals because of the team and some elite-level talent on the ice with him in so many situations.