Steelers Draft and Mel Kiper sucks thread!!

I realize I'm in the minority and we've already had this conversation and I've already made the comparison but let's not forget how awful Pouncey performed at the combine. On tape he was the best Center in Div I and at the combine he looked like a plodder. None of the game day athleticism showed up on the stopwatch.

Bjoern Werner, on tape beats every guy they put in front of him... TEs, OTs, FBs, etc. I don't care what his combine numbers were. He ran around everyone at Florida State. If he's there at 17 (which I doubt) I don't hesitate to pull the trigger and the extra 10lbs he put on last year could probably come off to play in our defense.

 

Beach,

Lane Johnson is gone @ 7

NY

 

Updated 22:28

 

You can pick now

 

So on draft day(s) are we posting mostly on here?

 

Okay folks anyone out there?

Cooper
Ogletree
Austin
Werner (beach has me half-sold)

 

Here ! CBS can take a hike.

 

I am toying with Tavon Austin being BPA hello anybody out there?

 

Figured, sounds good

 

Draft Brad Wing here. Why not go best player at a position

 

If you go character it comes down to Cooper and Werner, I know who bb is pounding the table for!

 

COOPER!!!!

 

well I will count that as two votes, don't even have to ask burghball.

Interesting, everone slams Walter Football, check out his big board and this fits what I am looking at. I did not go to his site before I had my top 4 picks, heck we don't even have a big board or anything like it right now.

12. Cooper
13. Ogletree
14. Austin
15. Werner

the top 11 are all gone, and if we used WF Cooper would be our pick. Austin's size scares me, and Ogltree is a DUI away from a 4 game suspension. Werner has upside, looked good in the OLB drills, but I still think he is a 4-3 DE. Cooper you plug him in at LG, and Beachum and Foster are the backups.

more thoughts? I do NOT want to drag this pick on all night and morning, good posters on CBS are waiting on me.

 

I'd go with Cooper for now. I really want to say Ogletree, but he's one trip to East Carson Street away from pulling a Ta'amu.

Keep an eye on Antonie Caldwell the former interior lineman for the Texans that visited Tuesday. If he signs for anything more than a one year minimum deal that would suggest they are not looking to draft interior lineman early and would be comfortable with him, Foster and Beachum competing for that last spot. But of course he needs to sign.

 

Jonathan Cooper, G, North Carolina. Previous Rank: 13
3/28/13: There has been a lot of buzz about Cooper, and he became a hot prospect during the 2012 season. Many believe that the 6-foot-2, 311-pounder stands a good chance of breaking into the top 20. He probably did himself more harm than good by passing on the Senior Bowl. A dominant week could have really helped him to secure a spot in the middle of the first round in a weak draft class, but Cooper made up for it with a tremendous Combine. He was strong in the bench press, fast in the 40 and athletic in the field drills.

Cooper hit a great cut block in space during the season-opener to spring Giovani Bernard for a long touchdown run against Elon. That was a common refrain as Cooper did an excellent job of run blocking for Bernard in 2012. Cooper played well against Virginia Tech among others, and Bernard had a great year. Cooper was rock solid in pass protection all season as well.

The only issue for Cooper is size. He's undersized for guard and may have to move to center in the NFL if he can't add weight. Cooper is extremely quick and athletic, so moving to center shouldn't be a problem. That could make him more attractive to NFL talent evaluators.

8/24/12: Jonathan Cooper was a Second-Team All-ACC selection for the 2010 season. He did a good job as a run-blocker and pass-blocker. The 6-foot-3, 310-pounder was an excellent blocker for running back Giovanni Bernard in the 2011 season. Bernard had a tremendous freshman season with 1,253 yards and 13 touchdowns.

Cooper is a good athlete who also is strong at the point of attack. He could use more bulk if enters a power man-blocking scheme in the NFL. Cooper looks like he would fit best in zone-blocking scheme at the moment. Don't be surprised if he attempts to move to center, or there is, at least, talk about it.


Alec Ogletree, ILB, Georgia. Previous Rank: 12
3/28/13: Ogletree was solid, but unspectacular, at his pro day. He did okay at the Combine, but he wasn't as good as expected. The whole key to Ogletree's draft stock is teams feeling comfortable with him off the field. He is a top-20 talent but probably will go in the No. 20-32 range because of those concerns.

Ogletree hurt his draft stock with a some teams because of a DUI arrest in early February. It just added to the character concerns around him as he was suspended for four games to start the 2012 season because of a failed drug test.

Ogletree was excellent after returning to the lineup following his suspension. He was a play-maker as a run-defender and was always around the ball. Ogletree totaled 111 tackles, 11.5 tackles for a loss, three sacks an interception and five passes broken up this season. He decided to skip his senior year to enter the 2013 NFL Draft.

8/31/12: Ogletree really came on in the second half of the 2011 season. In the final seven games, he produced 52 tackles with 7.5 tackles for a loss, three sacks and two forced fumbles. Ogletree broke his foot in the season opener against Boise State, and that caused him to miss the next seven games. He really stood out with big games against Georgia Tech, LSU and Michigan State.

Ogletree had 34 tackles as a freshman in 2010. He is very fast and instinctive. The junior has the frame to get bigger and stay as a middle linebacker in the NFL. Ogletree has a lot of upside and it wouldn't be surprising if he pushed his stock into first-round consideration after the 2012 or 2013 season.


Tavon Austin, WR, West Virginia. Previous Rank: 16
3/28/13: Austin lit up the Combine with an electric 40 time of 4.34 seconds. That pretty much met expectations, and he kept up the momentum with a strong performance at his pro day.

Austin spent the last two seasons as one of the most electric play-makers in college football. He has produced a ton of yards and touchdowns for West Virginia. Defenses were unable to match up effectively against him.

The senior totaled 114 receptions for 1,289 yards and 12 touchdowns in 2012. He also had 72 carries for 643 yards and three touchdowns. Austin was dynamic weapon who was able to consistently produce long scoring plays.

For the NFL, Austin is a deep threat receiver who will stretch defenses. He can burn secondaries with his explosive speed and will be a threat to score on any touch. Austin may have to be protected to avoid injury given his size. A lot of carries and receptions will lead to him getting injured. He additionally has the flexibility to play in a West Coast offense or a pro-style offense.

Austin made his presence felt in 2010 with eight touchdowns on 58 receptions for 787 yards. The next season, Austin and quarterback Geno Smith lit up the secondaries. The junior caught 101 passes for 1,186 yards and eight touchdowns in 2011.


Bjoern Werner, DE, Florida State. Previous Rank: 14
3/28/13: Werner had a solid performance at his pro day and reportedly looked pretty good doing 3-4 outside linebacker drills. He didn't excel at the Combine, but that is not an event that really suits his game. Werner is more of a pure football player than a track athlete.

Werner had a phenomenal 2012 season. The Seminoles standout is extremely explosive off the snap with surprisingly good instincts. He has a ton of upside and is just scratching the surface of his ability.

Werner played well against Northern Illinois in the Orange Bowl. Although he only had one tackle against the Yellow Jackets in the ACC Championship game, he handled their option run extremely well. Werner was in contain a lot of the game and held his ground without getting moved off the line of scrimmage. Against a tough attack, he showed nice instincts and the ability to read his keys quickly.

Werner had six tackles, 3.5 tackles for a loss, a fumble recovery and 3.5 sacks in the rivalry battle with Florida. It was a phenomenal game for him, but the Gators had a lot of success running against the Seminoles' defense.

Werner went four straight games without a sack, before he broke the drought against Miami in late October with 1.5 sacks. He had an impressive performance and showed good instincts to cause disruption on plays aside from his pass rushes.

Werner received extra blocking attention after Brandon Jenkins went out of the lineup, and that helped teammate Tank Carradine have a breakout season. Werner started the year with four sacks in a dominating performance against Murray State.

The junior totaled 42 tackles, 13 sacks, 18 tackles for a loss, eight passes batted and a forced fumble during 2012.

8/9/12: Werner could be primed for a massive 2012 season. He outplayed teammate Brandon Jenkins at times in 2011. The Berlin, Germany product is a strong physical presence who plays with a mean streak.

Werner (6-4, 273) broke out with some dominating games and seven sacks last year. He also had 37 tackles, 11 tackles for a loss, one interception, one forced fumble and eight pass breakups. Werner had 3.5 sacks as a true freshman in 2010. He is extremely physical and has a great motor.

from walter football

 

I would personally go Werner over Cooper because I don't think offensive line is a priority but cooper is a very solid and safe pick which I'd be fine with.

 

NY,

Cooper! then Ogletree for me... if you look at risk vs safety - I'd go Cooper

enjoy,

bb

 

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Nice story there Lyman, but get the facts staight.. Special K.. not Corn Flakes.. sheez....

enjoy,

bb

 

Werner - pass rushers are just more valuable than Guards and we already have a stud (went back and watched DeCastro vs. the Bengals) at one of the guard spots. Foster gives us another very serviceable OG and doesn't hurt the cap.

After Werner I'd go Vaccaro.