Steelers Draft and Mel Kiper sucks thread!!

Timmons is a good pass rusher, why not resign him and move him outside, then put Mativich (sp) next to Shazier? Mativich is a tackling machine and reminds me of Kuechly.

 

Timmons was tried a few times at OLB and while he has turned into a solid ILB he's just not a pass rushing olb.
I thought Tomlin might try V.Williams outside. He has the size and mobility but IDK.

 

Timmons has gotten better as the season has progressed. I would like to see the Steelers re-sign him at a reasonable price. However, I feel this is going to be another of those situations where another team is willing to give him a lot of money on a multi-year contract. If that is the case, the Steelers will let him go and move on.

 

I could care less about Jones and I haven't defended him in any of my posts on this topic. If they sign him cheap to be a backup I won't be upset, he could offer quality depth. If he leaves, I'm good with that too.

My issue is signing a guy like Collins, whose numbers and attitude are a serious question mark, for the kind of money he is going to garner is not a good idea.

 

I guess we'll see when the time comes.

 

What is a strong safety's job?

 

Depends...do you want the answer that is most accurate for today's league or the answer that fits your agenda of trying to plug a player into a roll that was popular for that position a decade or more ago?

The game has changed and the Steelers are changing with it. The days of the 270 lb run stuffing ILB are gone, as are the days of the 230+ lb Strong Safety that plays primarily in the box.

Look at the two Safeties on this team. Mike Mitchell is your Free Safety and he's bigger than your Strong Safety in Sean Davis. Sometimes Davis is responsible for deep coverage, sometimes he's responsible for a middle zone, sometimes he's responsible for run support. Safeties in today's game are pretty interchangeable, but the constant is that they have to be able to cover receivers. They have to be almost as athletic as Corners and almost as stout as Linebackers.

Ryan Shazier is the new breed of Inside Linebacker. He's that rare physical specimen that can play coverage on TEs or middle zones but fly into the backfield in run support or blitzing the QB. He's not, however, talented enough physically to cover smaller, faster receivers down the field like a Safety would be required to do. Just watch him run. He's fast, but he doesn't run like a DB. He's stiffer, doesn't cut as well. I've said it before, he'd be a nightmare in deep zone coverage or in man against a receiver.

You seem to want this defense to be built like the Steelers of the 90s, but that's not realistic. The game isn't the same. You wouldn't want a Levon Kirkland at ILB today.

 

THE STRONG SAFETY
strong safety tends to be somewhat larger and stronger than the free safety. However, the word strong is used because he is assigned to cover the "strong side" of the offense, the side on which the tight end, a usually big, powerful receiver-type player lines up on offensive plays. The strong safety tends to play closer to the line than the free safety does, and assists in stopping the run. He may also cover a player, such as a running back or fullback or H-back, who comes out of the backfield to receive a pass. A strong safety's duties are a hybrid of those belonging to a linebacker in a 46 or 3?4 defense and those of the other defensive backs, in that he both covers the pass and stops the run. Notable strong safeties include John Lynch, Troy Polamalu, Kam Chancellor, Adrian Wilson, Leroy Butler, Rodney Harrison, and Lawyer Milloy. Strong safeties are not seen in the Canadian game, where the role is filled by the two defensive halfbacks.

 

Senior Bowl Rosters Link

http://www.seniorbowl.com/rosters-2017.php?squad=South

 

LMAO! Where the hell did you dig that up??

 

It's what I know


Na, Google is amazing

 

James Harrison wasn't drafted at all, but he would be starting over Jamie Collins if Collins was on this team right now. I'm talking about value, not whether Collins is a better player than Jarvis Jones.

$15 million per year is too much to pay, in my opinion, for Jamie Collins. That is what I expect he will get in free agency, and it could be as high as $18-20 million. That player is too much of a risk to spend that sort of money when Jarvis Jones, Arthur Moats, or a lower-tier FA can fill that role on a temporary basis for pennies on the dollar.

Maybe you think this is Monopoly money they pay these players, but it isn't.

 

We're talking about next season and beyond.
No one knows if Harrison will continue especially if they win a superbowl.
The Steelers weren't even starting Harrison till almost mud way through the season.
Jones just wasn't good enough to hold his position.

You're guessing on Collins cost.
If they could get him there are more out there, like perry or Ingram

 

You are absolutely right that I'm guessing on his FA value. But the fact that he will make it to free agency immediately pushes his price higher... typically the lower-priced players sign with their own team before free agency.

You are guessing as to how productive Collins would be as a Steeler. I'm not willing to pay the money I think it takes to sign him. If he is available for 4 years, $40 million I would take that risk as long as the contract is structured to protect the team. However, I find it unlikely he would sign for so little.

 

He was traded to Cleveland.
I'd be very surprised if he didn't test the waters.
Unless than break the bank for him.
Doubtful, that team needs players elsewhere.

As far as guessing on his success as a Steeler, they're all a guess.

 

Its also overly simplistic.

The modern game is changing as are the definitions of what we perceive as traditional positions. Your definition doesn't accurately describe what the current Steelers' Strong Safety is asked to do.

 

That's a deflection

 

And that is exactly why the Steelers traditionally stay away from paying big money to top free agents!

They pay their own guys big money because they know what they have. Then they find middle and low priced free agents to fill holes in the roster, then draft players to develop into starters. Its a tried and true process.

I know you want an immediate impact player to start opposite Dupree next year and I would too, but is it worth the risk of paying some free agent from another team $15-20M per year without any idea whether he will fit into the locker room or be that impact player in this system?

 

Of what?

 

It's a gamble either way but like beach pointed out, the Steelers draft late in the first round year after year. It's not easy and you never know what you'll get ( Jones ).
They haven't been too successful over the last 10 years.
What should they do?
We've seen what the defense looks like without good starting OLB play.