Steelers Draft and Mel Kiper sucks thread!!

The difference between rounds at this point is negligible. Lots of supposed reaches happened last night that I was quick to point out in my beer-addled state. However, it's not about who was #50 on NFLDraftScout's big board; it's about who teams like.

Clearly, Colbert's board was different from the boards of the collective media when it came to Golson. I'm coming around on the pick because I see the rationale. Literally, the only thing wrong with Golson is his height and the natural detriments that causes. He's a high-character guy who loves football, he's physically gifted, highly intelligent, and he has the softest hands of any corner in the draft. It'd be a slam dunk if Golson were six feet tall, of course then he'd have been discussed as a fringe first-rounder.

Coates needs better hands and could stand to improve his route running, but he's tall and very talented, so he was being discussed at one point this offseason as a fringe first-rounder. On top of that, reports are that he was a blessing to Auburn's locker room and is a high-character individual. If he can overcome his problems anywhere, it should be under the tutelage of Richard Mann surrounded by the talent that persists in the Steelers' receiving corps.

Like I said, round doesn't matter. Whether you want to believe it or not, we filled a necessary hole by picking Coates, who was one of the last truly gifted receivers left on the board.

 

Possibly. And when I first saw the pick, I was wtf. However, as Mano has pointed out, the Steelers "pay these guys alot of money to siphon through these players because they are much better at it than we are,..."

After watching Carnell Lake describe Golson, I am willing to take a flyer on him being a quality choice.

 

Okay, what's a better barometer to gauge a player's propensity for turnovers then? Golson didn't intercept a crap ton of passes against Bumphuc U and Nowhere College. He did it while playing in the SEC. That level of production is awesome against that level of competition.

 

I believe this contention might be summed up as follows: you beat what is infront of you, thats all you can do, that is all we can go by.

2k

 

Not refuting that the SEC is the greatest gauge, but when you start giving up 6 inches and 15+ lbs prior to the snap, it can cause problems. There is a new element in the NFL that tips the scales towards offense and to bring back the balance (and re-establish what Pittsburgh Steelers football is known for), you may want to line up knight-for-knight, not pawn-for knight.

 

If the Steelers knight is someone like Ricardo Sanchez Colclough (drafted 2 round in 2004), then I would definitely give the pawn a shot.

 

Maybe we'll get lucky and Golson will be the next Darrell Green.

 

Coates acted like a total ass in the Senior Bowl, you can camoflage anything you want but strip the paint and you got a talented kid with a big ego and boxing gloves for hands.

I would have been find with D'Joun Smith at 56, but the thing that frustrates most of us is the sniping. Teams 6 picks and less before The Steelers pick, are just plucking the players I like and it sucks dog shit.

I actually came home early ,just rolled in a half hour ago,, I could not stand one more day ,one more minute,, ok one more second of ESPN. They have more Useless tools than Harbor Freight.

 

As we're about to start rounds 4-7, does someone have the list of players who visited? I know burgh posted it on here earlier in the week, but that was like a hundred pages ago and I don't like my chances of finding it.

For a lot of these lesser known guys, whether or not they've visited is a decent barometer for selection.

 

I'm not gonna keep griping about Day 2 because it's over and done. The only argument I would make about Golson's INT production is this: if you watch those plays, 70% of them were overthrown balls, receivers falling down, and underthrown balls. So the guy made three nice plays to grab an INT against taller receivers. Granted, Ike Taylor couldn't do it, but that's still only 3 plays.

On the Coates front, there were a handful of highlights from the Auburn/Ole Miss game and guess who took advantage of a rather short CB? Guess who the short CB was?

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I'm okay with Coates after sleeping on it. Sure, you could get another WR in later rounds but this guy has POTENTIAL, which is what the draft process is all about. Identify players with the tools to succeed. Coates has those tools in spades.

If Golson comes on board and plays like William Gay I'll be more than happy with the pick. If the Steelers didn't see a 6' tall CB with the attributes they wanted then I'm gonna trust their evaluations. Colbert, Tomlin, and the coaching staff get to sit down in front of these guys and talk to them, and they are looking for more than physical skills. They are looking for guys who will come in, be part of a team, and work to get better. None of us can get a real bead on that aspect of the players.

So it's all good for me at this point. If rounds 4-7 go as well I think I'll be okay with it all.

 

I stand by who I cut. Haverstein blows, Carl Davis lacks motivation, and for Christmas sake you do not DRAFT A GUARD AT PICK 5. The Redskins continue to make boneheaded moves and picks. they deserve the futility that seems to loom over the like a black cloud.

The other head scratcher was a 4-5th round Center in the second.

Let me go back a few pages and catch up with BPA.

 

This is the fastest visit tracker I found. Crossed off the ones I remembered being picked, but missed most of last night.

TE Cameron Clear, Texas A&M
[del]WR DeVante Parker, Louisville*[/del]
[del]LB Shane Ray, Missouri[/del]
LB Kyle Emanuel, North Dakota State
[del]DL Randy Gregory, Nebraska[/del]
QB/WR Devin Gardner, Michigan
CB Darryl Roberts, Marshall
[del]RB Matt Jones, Florida[/del]
WR Sammie Coates, Auburn
[del]OLB Eli Harold, Virginia[/del]
CB Senquez Golson, Ole Miss
[del]TE C.J. Uzomah, Auburn
DE Nate Orchard, Utah[/del]
[del]WR Breshad Perriman, UCF
CB Marcus Peters, Washington
CB Alex Carter, Stanford[/del]
LB Max Valles, Virginia
CB Doran Grant, Ohio State
QB Tyler Murphy, Boston College
OL Quinton Spain, WVU
TE Jesse James, Penn State*
[del]WR Jaelen Strong, Arizona State[/del]
TE Kennard Backman, UAB
[del]DT Xavier Cooper, Washington State[/del]
[del]TE Jeff Heuerman, Ohio State[/del]
TE Wes Saxton, South Alabama
CB Bryce Callahan, Rice
CB Stephen Nelson, Oregon State
[del]S Landon Collins, Alabama
DE Preston Smith, Mississippi State[/del]
CB Dexter McDonald, Kansas
LB Davis Tull, Chattanooga
LB Neiron Ball, Florida*

 

I just quoted the last board update, give me a little bit I can edit on a PC.

 

I'm not comparing your knowledge to mine, halo. I am comparing your knowledge to the guys that get paid to do it. I told you, I was like you. I wanted Rollins. My point is, I am pretty sure that the guys in the draft room know more than both of us. So to say that the other two guys "would've been better picks" is a bit ignorant in my opinion. Saying you think they are better players is fine, but you don't know better than Colbert and his scouting staff in my opinion.

 

I like 49 and 101 (I think more of 101 than some on here).

57 and 76 (and I like 66 or 91 any round after the 4th).

ny, I don't see Kyle Emanuel (OLB from ND State). Was there a reason you didn't like him? He looks like a decent late round risk.

Still several good RBs that I like, and an OG or two.

 

Here is what was left of the board after round 3.

39. TJ Clemmings, OT, Pittsburgh, 6-5 309. Similar to Humphries, but even more raw.
49. Doran Grant CB Ohio State 5-11 193 moving up boards after solid pro day
50. Jay Ajayi, RB, Boise State, 6-0 220, NFL sized Battering Ram, But like Johnson better. Has an injury which may drop him.
51. Trey FLowers, OLB, Arkansas, 6-2 266. Steelers have an interest, he has a huge wingspan
56. Javorious Allen, RB, USC 6-1 215 3 down back with power
57. James Sample, S, Louisville, Overshadowed by Holliman, better prospect
58. Jeremy Langford, RB, Muchigan State, 6-0 206. Smaller & fadter version of Bell
59. Tre' Jackson OG FSU 6-4 339 he's a people mover
60. Cody Prewitt, S, Mississippi, 6-2 220. Huge safety, this might be a bit low for him.
63. David Cobb RB Minnesota 5-11 220 Another solid back from The Big Ten
66. Derron Smith, FS, Fesno State, 5-11 200. Like him much better than Holliman, he tackles
69. Ibraheim Campbell, S, Northwestern, 5-11 205. A good safety in a weak class may push him into round 2
73. Grady Jarrett. DT Clemson, 6-1 304. Sure he is a 3 technique. He is also unblockable and can be used in sub packages as a 1 gap. The knock on him is his ceiling is reached already, and his stamina. But as a situational guy in a DL rotation, I think you need some disruptive pieces to throw at an Offense.
74. Anthony Chickillo, DE, Miami (FL), 6-3 270. Faster and more athletic than you think, he actually played the 5 for the 'Canes.
75. Davis Tull, OLB, Tenn-Chatt. 6-3 240. Very interesting small school player with a lot of production, tested well. Currently Injured, this will drop him slightly.
76. Anthony Harris, S, Virginnia, 6-1 190. Good player, albeit a little light for the Steelers perhaps
79. Ifo Ekpre-Olumi, CB, Oregon, if not injured he would be hired, but he is not a Steeler typical CB either.
80.a Cameron Artis-Payne, RB, Auburn, 5-11 210. Does everything well, good value on Day 3.
81. Rashad Greene, WR, Florida State. 6-0 180. One of Winston's favorite targets, I dropped him a bit due to his thin frame. He will be a Number 3 WR in the NFL.
84. Lynden Trail, DE, Norfolk State, 6-6, 260. Athletic project that needs to be coached up, big upside.
85. Kenny "my man" Bell, WR, Nebraska, 6-1 197. Saw 2 of his games, was impressed. He also tested well at the combine. Blocks the snot out of people.
86. Gerod Holliman, S, Louisville, 6-0 202, Led the nation in picks, not sure if he can be coached up to hit like Ryan Clark
87. Za?Darius Smith, DE/OLB, Kentucky, 6-4 270. East West standout, high motor guy
88. Jarvis Harrison, OG, Texas A&M, 6-5 310, good footwork, rated highly on many boards, solid level of competition in the SEC.
89..Cameron Artis-Payne, RB, Auburn, 5-11 210, downhill runner from the SEC.
91. Durrell Eskridge, S, Syracuse, 6-3 207, long and rangy Safety. Steelers have a history with Syracuse.
93. Justin Cox, S, Mississippi State, 6-2, 190. Long safety needs to put on weight.
94. Daryl Williams, OT, Oklahoma, 6-5 321. Powerful Big 12 lineman, middle rounds he's value.
95. Justin Hardy, East Carolina 6-0 190, another small school sleeper that I like
96. Kurtis Drummond, Michigan State, 6-1 200 Both Tomlin and Colbert were at his pro day, not just for Waynes.
97. Sean Hickey, OT/OG, Syracuse, 6-5 307. Steelers were at his pro day and worked him out.
99. Zach Waggenmann, OLB, Montana Grizz, 6-4 250. HIgh effort guy who has some pass rushing skills
100. Dezmin Lewis, WR, C. Arkansas, 6-4 210, Size and speed, good clay to work with.
101. Charles Gaines, CB, Louisville, 5-10, 180. Has a lot of traits of William Gay, also coming out of Louisville.
102. Tre' McBride, WR, William & Mary, 6-0 210. Tomlin's alma mater. A real good mid round steal JMFO.
103. Travis Racitti, DT, San Jose State, 6-5 290. Versitala DL player who would be a fit in Pittsburgh
104. Jesse James, TE, Penn State. Steelers? fans have a man crush on him, I have him as a day 3 target
105. Arie Kuandjio, OG, Alabama, 6-5, 318. The less talented brother of Cyrus, he's just a big guard not much else.
107. Ladarius Gunter, CB, Miami (FL), 6-2 195. big cover guy, terrible 40 at the combine, pro day is 4/1
108. Jacoby Glenn, CB, Central Florida, 6-0 180. lean corner from a smaller school, cannot eliminate any CB in this draft
109. Jeff Luc, ILB/FB, Cincinatti, 6-1 251. A thumper that also worked out at FB at his pro day.
110. John Crockett, RB, North Dakota State, 6-0 202. Very productive, better numbers than David Johnson actually, could be a day 3 pick by Colbert.
111. Corey Crawford DE Clemson, 6-5 270, looks the part, his tape disputes it.
112. Terry Williams, NT, East Carolina, 6-1 353. Kid is a HOUSE.
113. Marcus Rush, OLB, Michigan State, 6-2 243. Just added to this board, may move him up, he tested very well and Tomlin and Colbert were in attendance.
114. Blake "Belldozer" Bell, TE, Oklahoma 6-6 259. TE is new to him, and I think he is targetted like Jesse James as a day 3 option, nothing more.
115. Nick Boyle, TE, Deleware, 6-5 260, Better blocker than most in this class
117. Ben Koyack, TE, Notre Dame, 6-4 260, solid prospect nothing flashy. ND has put out a lof of very good TE's.
118. Max Vailles, LB, Virginia, 6-5 251. Athletic Monster, mediocre football player.
119. Cam Thomas, CB, Western Kentucky, 6-1 190. His pro day was 3/18 I don't see much info on that. He has length but was torched in the bowl game,
121. Titus Davis, WR, Central Michigan, 6-1, 197, Broke all of Antonio Brown?s records. Does not have the quickness however may struggle to get separation .
122. Quashawyne Buckely, DT, Idaho, 6-1 305. Good burst off the ball, his level of competition is what will be in question.
123. Ellis McCarthy, DT, UCLA, 6-3 330. Mountain of a man, probably a pure NT.
124. Zach Vigil, LB, Utah, 6-2 245. When you put on tape this kid shows up, not hard to find him. Plays stiff however, needs to be dropped lower.
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CB Stephen Nelson is also gone.

 

Here we go. Day three!!

 

39. TJ Clemmings, OT, Pittsburgh, 6-5 309. Similar to Humphries, but even more raw.
49. Doran Grant CB Ohio State 5-11 193 moving up boards after solid pro day
50. Jay Ajayi, RB, Boise State, 6-0 220, NFL sized Battering Ram, But like Johnson better. Has an injury which may drop him.
51. Trey FLowers, OLB, Arkansas, 6-2 266. Steelers have an interest, he has a huge wingspan
55. Tevin Coleman, RB Indiana, 6-1 210 electric with the ball
56. Javorious Allen, RB, USC 6-1 215 3 down back with power
57. James Sample, S, Louisville, Overshadowed by Holliman, better prospect
58. Jeremy Langford, RB, Muchigan State, 6-0 206. Smaller & fadter version of Bell
59. Tre' Jackson OG FSU 6-4 339 he's a people mover
60. Cody Prewitt, S, Mississippi, 6-2 220. Huge safety, this might be a bit low for him.
63. David Cobb RB Minnesota 5-11 220 Another solid back from The Big Ten
66. Derron Smith, FS, Fesno State, 5-11 200. Like him much better than Holliman, he tackles
69. Ibraheim Campbell, S, Northwestern, 5-11 205. A good safety in a weak class may push him into round 2
73. Grady Jarrett. DT Clemson, 6-1 304. Sure he is a 3 technique. He is also unblockable and can be used in sub packages as a 1 gap. The knock on him is his ceiling is reached already, and his stamina. But as a situational guy in a DL rotation, I think you need some disruptive pieces to throw at an Offense.
74. Anthony Chickillo, DE, Miami (FL), 6-3 270. Faster and more athletic than you think, he actually played the 5 for the 'Canes.
75. Davis Tull, OLB, Tenn-Chatt. 6-3 240. Very interesting small school player with a lot of production, tested well. Currently Injured, this will drop him slightly.
76. Anthony Harris, S, Virginnia, 6-1 190. Good player, albeit a little light for the Steelers perhaps
79. Ifo Ekpre-Olumi, CB, Oregon, if not injured he would be hired, but he is not a Steeler typical CB either.
80.a Cameron Artis-Payne, RB, Auburn, 5-11 210. Does everything well, good value on Day 3.
81. Rashad Greene, WR, Florida State. 6-0 180. One of Winston's favorite targets, I dropped him a bit due to his thin frame. He will be a Number 3 WR in the NFL.
84. Lynden Trail, DE, Norfolk State, 6-6, 260. Athletic project that needs to be coached up, big upside.
85. Kenny "my man" Bell, WR, Nebraska, 6-1 197. Saw 2 of his games, was impressed. He also tested well at the combine. Blocks the snot out of people.
86. Gerod Holliman, S, Louisville, 6-0 202, Led the nation in picks, not sure if he can be coached up to hit like Ryan Clark
87. Za?Darius Smith, DE/OLB, Kentucky, 6-4 270. East West standout, high motor guy
88. Jarvis Harrison, OG, Texas A&M, 6-5 310, good footwork, rated highly on many boards, solid level of competition in the SEC.
89..Cameron Artis-Payne, RB, Auburn, 5-11 210, downhill runner from the SEC.
90. Jeff Heuermann, TE, Ohio State, 6-5. 260. Was not healthy so it's hard to look at his 2014 numbers, tough kid. The issue is his route running and blocking is avg.
91. Durrell Eskridge, S, Syracuse, 6-3 207, long and rangy Safety. Steelers have a history with Syracuse.
93. Justin Cox, S, Mississippi State, 6-2, 190. Long safety needs to put on weight.
94. Daryl Williams, OT, Oklahoma, 6-5 321. Powerful Big 12 lineman, middle rounds he's value.
95. Justin Hardy, East Carolina 6-0 190, another small school sleeper that I like
96. Kurtis Drummond, Michigan State, 6-1 200 Both Tomlin and Colbert were at his pro day, not just for Waynes.
97. Sean Hickey, OT/OG, Syracuse, 6-5 307. Steelers were at his pro day and worked him out.
98. Henry Anderson, DT, Stanford, 6-5 298. Prototypical 5 technique who is well coached and productive
99. Zach Waggenmann, OLB, Montana Grizz, 6-4 250. HIgh effort guy who has some pass rushing skills
100. Dezmin Lewis, WR, C. Arkansas, 6-4 210, Size and speed, good clay to work with.
101. Charles Gaines, CB, Louisville, 5-10, 180. Has a lot of traits of William Gay, also coming out of Louisville.
102. Tre' McBride, WR, William & Mary, 6-0 210. Tomlin's alma mater. A real good mid round steal JMFO.
103. Travis Racitti, DT, San Jose State, 6-5 290. Versitala DL player who would be a fit in Pittsburgh
104. Jesse James, TE, Penn State. Steelers? fans have a man crush on him, I have him as a day 3 target
105. Arie Kuandjio, OG, Alabama, 6-5, 318. The less talented brother of Cyrus, he's just a big guard not much else.
107. Ladarius Gunter, CB, Miami (FL), 6-2 195. big cover guy, terrible 40 at the combine, pro day is 4/1
108. Jacoby Glenn, CB, Central Florida, 6-0 180. lean corner from a smaller school, cannot eliminate any CB in this draft
109. Jeff Luc, ILB/FB, Cincinatti, 6-1 251. A thumper that also worked out at FB at his pro day.
110. John Crockett, RB, North Dakota State, 6-0 202. Very productive, better numbers than David Johnson actually, could be a day 3 pick by Colbert.
111. Corey Crawford DE Clemson, 6-5 270, looks the part, his tape disputes it.
112. Terry Williams, NT, East Carolina, 6-1 353. Kid is a HOUSE.
113. Marcus Rush, OLB, Michigan State, 6-2 243. Just added to this board, may move him up, he tested very well and Tomlin and Colbert were in attendance.
114. Blake "Belldozer" Bell, TE, Oklahoma 6-6 259. TE is new to him, and I think he is targetted like Jesse James as a day 3 option, nothing more.
115. Nick Boyle, TE, Deleware, 6-5 260, Better blocker than most in this class
116. Jeremiah Poutasi, OG Utah, 6-4, 310. Great mid round OL player for depth and could push to start one day. Struggles at OT, better off moving him inside.
117. Ben Koyack, TE, Notre Dame, 6-4 260, solid prospect nothing flashy. ND has put out a lof of very good TE's.
118. Max Vailles, LB, Virginia, 6-5 251. Athletic Monster, mediocre football player.
119. Cam Thomas, CB, Western Kentucky, 6-1 190. His pro day was 3/18 I don't see much info on that. He has length but was torched in the bowl game,
120. Craig Mager, CB, Texas State, 5-11 205, Gritty kid with a lot of starts. Needs coaching but will be a core Special Teamer to start off with.
121. Titus Davis, WR, Central Michigan, 6-1, 197, Broke all of Antonio Brown?s records. Does not have the quickness however may struggle to get separation .
122. Quashawyne Buckely, DT, Idaho, 6-1 305. Good burst off the ball, his level of competition is what will be in question.
123. Ellis McCarthy, DT, UCLA, 6-3 330. Mountain of a man, probably a pure NT.
124. Zach Vigil, LB, Utah, 6-2 245. When you put on tape this kid shows up, not hard to find him. Plays stiff however, needs to be dropped lower.
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okay let me know if I missed any