Steelers Draft and Mel Kiper sucks thread!!

I agree Roc, they went OG way too freiking early and where is the value? Draft an OT and if he doesn't work out, you slide him inside. The right pick is Sean Hickey for many reasons. They were at his pro day and I know they have a strong interest. He played OT and might be able to be position flexible as an OG. Conversely you draft a CB that can play safety over a guy who is just a safety, examples are Eric Rowe,Quenton Rollins.

I do not like two of their picks as BPA, fills a need. Steve Nelson is a great slot corner,, but he is very grabby and will be flagged for that in the NFL. Second poor choice is Max Vailles, he is most likely and UDFA if you watch enough tape. He is a late round version of Vernon Gholston but without the insane workout numbers. He is a very good athlete and an average at best football player. This is why I took Markus Golden all 3 times. This is a football player and as a lot of scouts and draft nuts alike have stated: He may end up the better pro than Shane Ray.

Speaking of Shane Ray, I did a mock last night I had him falling to the Ravens. The Steelers also passed on Randy Gregory and took Marcus Peters. We still have Jarvis Jones, a ROLB. Both Ray and Gregory are ROLB only, along with James Harrison. You draft Preston Smith and you draft Markus Golden and fix the void Woodley left. Preston Smith will be great in sub packages because you can line him up anywhere, on any down and distance.

One thing I might add something to consider. Steeler Depot did their mock WITHOUT ANYONE ELSE CHERRY PICKING . How easy it is to do a 7 round mock, under no pressure, no clock, and you "think" these players will be available. My two cents.

 

If Drummond is there in the 5th he's a steal but I don't believe he drops that far.

 

Beach,

I also like Drummond, he was gone when I picked. Also I think I got James Sample on one of the collaboratives, he is a really good safety. I forgot to check on this but did Holliman even get drafted?? He was my BPA and I passed on him more than once, he just does not want to tackle, he wants to hit people and had the worst missed tackle percentage of all the safeites coming out. Conversly, he had more picks than anyone else in the draft. Reminds me of a less talented Rahim Moore.

 

Ravens took him in the 5th.

 

And for the record, I did all my collaboratives off my board, never even looked at Steeler Depot and thier mocks until today. The best thing for draft nuts is to do a Collaborative, it teaches you how to use a board,, how to catch a player before a run starts and then how to not reach. I could have easily reached for Eli Harold once all the edge rushers were gone, but I stuck to CB because that is what was left.

BUY

Eric Rowe, Quenton Rollins, Marcus Peters, Kevin Johnson, Preston Smith, Markus Golden, David Johnson, David Cobb, Jeremy Langford, Matt Jones, Kenny Bell, Tyler Lockett, Sean Hickey, Tyler Kroft, Matt Williams, Laken Tomlinson, Clive Walford, James Sample, Doran Grant, D'Joun Smith, Charles Gaines,
SELL Shane Ray, Randy Gregory, PJ Willams, Dorial Green-Beckham, Carl Davis, Ameer Abdullah, Landon Collins, Sammy Coates,

 

Bold Predictions

The Eagles are NOT going to go after Mariotta because the price is too high. If they were going to trade Bradford, like all the conspiracy theorists are yammering about ,then Bradford would have to pass a physical for the team he is being traded to. This also applies to Phyllis Rivers.

Said it before, Eli Harold goes in the first round and may go ahead of Mary Jane Ray and Randy Cannibus.

The Eagles are taking Phillip Dorsett only because the Cheifs are going to snag Nelson Agholar.

Jordan Phillips is a day 2 pick and the pundets penciling him to the Patriots are dead wrong. Belichick is no doubt a creep, but he will take Eddie Goldman before he looks at Phillips.

All these mocks with top heavey CB are missing their mark. Corner is the hardest position to evaluate other than QB. Teams are gonig to load up on WR because it is the easiest position to evaluate. Given the success of the 2014 WR class, expect more of the same. At least 6 WR are going in round 1. However they will be spread out from the single digits to the late 20's.

The Cowboys will make another good choice and will not move up for Todd Gurley. They will take Landon Collins who is going to slide because of his limited deep range. I don't think they reach for CB after the top 4 are off the board.

The Browns are trading but are not taking a QB in round 1. They will land a DT in the first round and possibly a WR, I think they wait on OL.

The Giants are NOT taking Brandon Scherff. They are taking Eriick Flowers. Think of the NFC East and guys like Jumbo Elliot. Flowers is bigger, nastier, and could be a RT wehreas Scherrf is probably only a LG or RG.

The Steelers are looking hard at Eli Harold, he is the cleaner player amongst Peters, Gregory, Ray. Tomlin really likes Ray but I think character in the first is a deciding factor.

The Steelers are taking a RB and it maybe in the 3rd round. In fact if TJ Yeldon is there at 56 I think I turn in my card and Pittsburgh goes D in round 3. Colbert admitted this is a deep class at RB, but if Yeldon or Maxx Williams are there in the second, they are BPA.

Tyler Lockett is going to go to a team with drafting patience and end up with one of the best WR in this class.

Sean Mannion gets drafted ahead of Rex Hundley.

Damorious Randall, Eric Rowe, or Quenton Rollins will sneak into round one.

The Bears are going DT, probably Shelton, you can get a WR in round 2 and with Jayne Cuntler as your QB you will probably be drafting top 10 next year.

Ronald Darby and PJ Williams are going to be over-drafted.

The last man in the Green room: Donvan Smith

The best OG in this draft is Laken Tomlinson.

Todd Gurley will be a shooting star, once healed he will be awesome then get hurt again.

 

Love the bold predictions NY. Good info.

A few thoughts. Gurley reminds me of Billy Sims. Sean Mannion will be a serviceable qb, but is a qb that will frustrate a fan base. IMHO

Haven't heard many talk of Yeldon, not sure if I hope he's there at 56 or not. So many needs, but he is a talent.

I wonder to myself how many how many Burficts will be in this draft?

 

Have done some research lately. Because Ray enters the program as a "behavior" offender instead of a "failed test" offender he could be dropped from the program in as little as 90 days. Or he can be immediately moved into Stage 2. The new program is really ambiguous but it doesn't appear he is guaranteed to be tested year round as I suggested earlier. Wish someone could explain it better.

 

Have done some research lately. Because Ray enters the program as a "behavior" offender instead of a "failed test" offender he could be dropped from the program in as little as 90 days. Or he can be immediately moved into Stage 2. The new program is really ambiguous but it doesn't appear he is guaranteed to be tested year round as I suggested earlier. Wish someone could explain it better.

I think Bell should appeal Goodell's implementation of the new rules on a prior transgression myself. I have NFI how to interpret this ambiguous clusterphuc beach. I do know that I am liking Peters over the pot heads. Being from a different generation, I do not get it. You have tens of millions of dollars on the table and you cannot quit the Ganja?? What are they teaching in Universities these days? Obviously common sense, patience, and the ability to refrain from drugs is absent in their curriculum.

I would not draft Shane Ray at 22. He is too small for the glaring hole on the left side of the line, the same goes for Randy Gregory who is an even better talent and a bigger moron. Questions me all you want guys, I will take Eli Harold over Cheech & Chong.

As far as the Program goes, I want my number one pick in the draft to be glued to the playbook and sleeping in the weight room. The biggest concern I have for the Steelers right now is Cortez Allen. If he gets his head out of his ass, the D will be fine. I remember him shutting down Gronk in 2011. That's right, shut his ass down. I am taking Marcus Peters all day long and if they pass on him and Take Eli Harold, who am to question that? I was not part of the interview or even met the kid. After Ta'Amu, Rainey, and Adams, we need a kid who comes in clean. Say all you want about Jarvis Jones, he has done nothing to make him a bust in my book. A year from now, if he is were his is now, then yeah, he is a bust.

And the local beat (off) guys are wrong, they keep harping on Rookies don't start for the Steelers line of crap. I think they forgot about Kendrell Bell.

 

If Gregory or Ray are there when the Steelers pick I wouldn't be surprised to see them take either guy. Bell didn't get busted for smoking pot until he was in the NFL. Didn't mean he wasn't doing it all along. Hasn't been busted since.

Gregory has had multiple failed tests so maybe he's a bigger risk. Ray did something stupid and got luck that he didn't injure or kill anybody. Maybe he's learned a lesson. Might be worth the risk. Justin Houston fell because of a failed test he's turned out to be a pretty good risk.

 

that's pretty apparent.

alcohol and marijuana were both once legal in this country, and then at a later point in time, both were outlawed. when prohibition was enacted, literally millions of people chose to ignore the law and kept drinking alcohol. prohibition was eventually repealed, because it was obvious people wanted to drink alcohol, and there was a ton of violent crime as a result of people working to make that possible.

i'll tell u what *I* don't get - why some people choose to stigmatize people who smoke weed but not people who drink alcohol.

alcohol is a drug. i don't see u lamenting the fact that college is a non-stop drinking party for many.

 

Shane wasn't under the influence when he got pulled over, he just had it on him. That at least changes the case away from a potential DUI.

 

Everything was legal in this country at one point, until a law was passed to make it illegal. To compare the use of Marijuana and Alcohol based on when it was illegal and then became legal is quite a stretch.

Nobody takes a puff of weed. Many people have a beer. There is abuse of all substances. I personally don't care who smokes and who doesn't, but as of right now it is illegal in most places and there are punishments in place for that. Those punishments have an adverse affect on the teams who have those players. Until the time comes when there isn't punishment and it doesn't effect their performance on the field I think there will be a difference on how they are viewed differently.

 

my point, wazoo, is that people who drank alcohol didn't hesitate to break the law when that was the case, and i don't see the value in demonizing one group of people for doing exactly what other groups do/have done as well. does anyone "not get" the fact that prohibition failed because the law was disrespected and ignored by millions? do u really not see a parallel there? alcohol drinkers are no more saintly than "pot heads".

if your point here is that all weed smokers indulge in more than the equivalent of a beer when they smoke, it's both ignorant and a perfect example of the one-sided stigmatization i refer to.

 

I have to disagree. The act of drinking and getting high are two different things. My experience is that even hard core drinkers choose a time and a place that is appropriate. Hard core pot smokers tend to smoke from the time they wake up until the time they go to bed.

Rarely have I had to fire someone for drinking before or during work. The number of times I have had to fire someone for smoking before work is immeasurable. And at every age 16-50.

 

kindly define "hardcore", beach - and then please substantiate the apparent claim that while some are casual drinkers, everyone who smokes weed is hardcore

i have used both alcohol and marijuana for 40+ years, and have been around people who use one or the other or both of them as well. in my opinion, any attempt to stigmatize weed smokers as a group but exonerate drinkers as a group is absurd. both groups contain people who use their drug(s) of choice in moderation, and both contain heavy users, in very similar proportions.

i know this comes as a surprise to many, but every person who smokes weed is NOT the piano player from reefer madness *HIGH*

i understand bites is confused how someone could allow their desire for something illegal to jeopardize their ability to earn millions of dollars. where *I* am confused is why anyone would think that drinkers would be any different if the tables were turned.

 

Here is the main differences that I see FTL:

Very few people alive today were around when marijuana was originally made illegal. To argue that people who smoke today are similar to people who drank when prohibition was enacted is not equal. To take something away from someone is quite different than not ever in their lifetime allowing it.

Alcohol has been used in almost every society throughout history. Hemp was originally used for other than smoking in most societies, until the last few hundred years. And, yes I know you can point out certain societies that smoked it long ago, but most didn't.

Alcohol is very controlled in the sale and content in most countries. Marijuana is often "laced" with narcotics to enhance the drug, but like I said in the other post. All drugs can and do get abused, but the purpose to smoke weed is to get high. Yes there are medicinal uses for it, but in general getting high is the point. Drinking alcohol isn't necessarily to get drunk. Yes people do get drunk and often when they do the outcomes are worse than those of whom get high, but that isn't the point.

 

Read again...

 

read again, beach the comment i was replying to stated NOBODY takes a puff of weed (caps mine). the implication there is clear.

wazoo - u and i seem to have no common ground to discuss this further. i cannot express how strongly and categorically i disagree with your position. i may have misunderstood bites' attitude, but yours is clear, and it's exactly what i'm talking about. i'll leave it at that.

 

You said...

At no point did I do that or allude to that.