Steelers Draft and Mel Kiper sucks thread!!

Is Barr worth trading in front of Tennessee to get? Detroit might be a trade partner. They have no use for Barr and there should be a quality corner at 15. The cost would be trading the 46th for the 76th, and 1st rd picks. Or maybe if Tennessee is slightly desperate a 4th, 6th and 4th next year. The depth this year makes a 4th round pick more valuable.
I think this would be worthwhile because Pro Bowl caliber OLB is what makes a 3-4 defense click. When you see defenses like Green Bay and Dallas fall apart without Mathews and Ware (at 100%), it becomes evident. Pass rushers can often perform well in their rookie season and Barr could catapult Pittsburgh back to a top 10 defense by 2015 if not sooner.

 

There's no way in HELL we are trading up in the 1st, we'll take what falls to us when we are on the clock. Later rounds are more of a possibility because of the comp picks.

 

No.

 

1. Houston Texans- Blake Bortels, QB, UCF
2. St. Louis Rams- Greg Robinson, OT, Auburn
3. Jacksonville Jaguars- Jadaveon Clowney, DE, South Carolina
4. Cleveland Browns- Derek Carr, QB, Fresno State
5. Oakland Raiders- Sammy Watkins, WR, Clemson
6. Atlanta Falcons- Jake Matthews, OT, Texas A&M
7. Tampa Bay Bucs- Kony Ealy, DE, Missouri
8. Minnesota Vikings - Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville
9. Buffalo Bills- Kahlil Mack, OLB, Buffalo
10. Detroit Lions- Anthony Barr, OLB, UCLA
11. Tennessee Titans- C.J. Mosley, ILB, Alabama
12. NY Giants- Taylor Lewan, OT, Michigan
13. St. Louis Rams- Clinton Ha-Ha Dix,S, Alabama
14. Chicago Bears- Aaron Donald, DT, Pittsburgh
15. Pittsburgh Steelers-Darqueze Dennard, CB, Michigan State
16. Dallas Cowboys- Tim Jernigan, DT, Florida State
17. Baltimore Ravens- Mike Evans, WR, Texas A&M
18. NY Jets- Justin Gilbert, CB, Oklahoma State
19. Miami Dolphins- Zach Martin, OT, Notre Dame
20. Arizona Cardinals- Johnny Manziel, QB, Texas A&M
21. Green Bay Packers- Eric Ebron, TE, North Carolina
22. Philadelphia Eagles- Dee Ford, OLB, Auburn
23. Kansas City Chiefs- Kelvin Benjamin, WR, Florida State
24. Cincinnati Bengals- Calvin Pryor, S, Louisville
25. San Diego Chargers- Louis Nix III, Notre Dame
26. Cleveland Browns- Marquis Lee, WR, USC
27. New Orleans Saints- Antonio Richardson, OT, Tennesee
28. Carolina Panthers- Brandin Cooks, WR, Oregon State
29. New England Patriots- Jace Ammaro, TE, Texas Tech
30. S.F. 49ers- Rasheed Haggeman, DT, Minnesota
31. Denver Broncos- Marcus Roberson, CB, Florida
32. Seattle Seahawks- Ryan Shazier, OLB, Ohio State

ROUND 2
33. Houston Texans- Morgan Moses, OT, Virginnia
34. Washington Redksins- Marcus Martin, C, USC
35. Cleveland Browns- Xavier Sua-Filo, OG, UCLA
36. Oakland Raiders- Scott Chictdon, DE, Oregon State
37. Atlanta Falcons- Austin Sefarian-Jenkins TE, Oregon
38. Tampa Bay Bucs- Odell Beckham, WR, LSU
39. Jacksonville Jaguars- Jimmy Garappolo, QB E. Illinois
40. Minnesota Vikings-Trent Murphy, DE, Stanford
41. Buffalo Bills- Joel Bitonio, OT, Nevada
42. Tennessee Titans- LaMarcus Joiner, CB, Florida State
43. NY Giants- Jason Verrett, CB, TCU
44. St. Louis Rams- KaDeem Carey, RB, Arizona
45. Detroit Lions- Deone Buchannon S, Washington State
46. Pittsburgh Steelers- Davante Adams, WR, Fresno State
47. Dallas Cowboys- Bradley Roby, CB, Ohio State
48. Baltimore Ravens- Kyle Fuller, CB, Virginna Tech
49. NY Jets- David Yankey, OG, Stanford
50. Miami Dolphins- Tre Mason, RB, Auburn
51. Chicago Bears- Allen Robinson, WR, Penn State
52. Arizona Cardinals- Kyle Van Noy, OLB, BYU
53. Green Bay Packers- Jaylene Watkins, CB, Florida
54. Philadelphia Eagles- Bashauad Breland, CB, Clemson
55. Cincinnati Bengals- Kareem Martin, DE, North Carolina
56. S.F. 49ers- Jordan Matthews, WR, Vanderbilt
57. San Diego Chargers- Carlos Hyde, RB, Ohio State
58. New Orleans Saints- Weston Richburg, C, Colorado State
59. Indianapolis Colts- Cyrus Kuanjio, OT, Alabama
60. Carolina Panthers-Gabe Jackson, OG, Mississippi State
61. S.F. 49ers-, Travis Swamson, C, Arkansas
62. New England Patriots-Steven Tuitt, DT, Notre Dame
63. Denver Broncos- Trevor Reilly, DE, Utah
64. Seattle Seahawks- Jeremy Hill, RB, LSU
ROUND 3
65. Houston Texans-Jimmie Ward, S, Northern Illinois
66. Washington Redskins-DaQuan Jones, DT, Penn State
67. Oakland Raiders- Brandon Thomas, OG, Clemson
68. Atlanta Falcons-Jerimiah Attachou, OLB, Georgia Tech
69. Tampa Bay Bucs- Trai Turner, OG, LSU
70. Jacksonville Jaguars-JuWann James, OT, Clemson
71. Minnesota Vikings- Jarvis Landry, WR, LSU
72. Cleveland Browns, Donte Moncrief, Ole Miss-
73. Buffalo Bills- Troy Niklas, TE, Notre Dame
74. NY Giants- Florida Maraveous Bryant, WR, Clemson
75. St. Louis Rams- Jared Aberderis, WR, Wisconsin
76. Detroit Lions- Chris Borland, ILB, Wisconsin
77. S.F. 49ers-Stanley Keith McGill, CB, UTah
78. Baltimore Ravens- Carl Bradford. OLB, Arizona State
79. Dallas Cowboys- Ahmad Dixon, S, Baylor
80. NY Jets- C.J. Fiedorowicz, TE, Iowa
81. Miami Dolphins-Dakota Dozier, OG, Furman
82. Chicago Bears- Will Sutton, DT, Arizona State
83. Cleveland Browns-Billy Turner, OT, North Dakota State
84. Arizona Cardinals-Craig Loston, S, LSU
85. Green Bay Packers-Telvin Smith, ILB, Florida State
86. Philadelphia Eagles-Terrance Brooks, S, Florida State
87. K.C. Chiefs-Marcus Smith, DE, Louisville
88. Cincinnati Pierre Desir, CB, Lindenwood
89. San Diego Chargers- Cyril Richardson, OG, Baylor
90. Indianapolis Colts-Chris Smith, DE, Arkansas
91. New Orleans Victor Hampton, CB, South Carolina
92. Carolina Panthers- Bishop Sankey, RB, Baylor
93. New England Patriots-Christian Jones, ILB, Florida State
94. S.F. 49ers- Keith McGill, CB, Utah
95. Denver Broncos- Ego Furguson, DT, LSU
96. Minnesota Vikings- Bruce Ellington, WR, South Carolina
97. Pittsburgh Steelers- Yawin Smallwood, LB, UConn
98.Green Bay Packers Charles Sims, RB, West Virginia
99. Baltimore Ravens Ed Reynolds, S, Stanford
100. S.F. 49ers Kelcy Quarles, DT, South Carolina

Round 4

101. Houston Texans- Phillip Gaines, CB, Rice
102. Washington Redskins- Paul Richardson, WR, Colorado
103. Atlanta Falcons- Anthony Johnson, DT, LSU
104. New York Jets- Robert Heron, WR, Wyoming
105. Jacksonville Jaguars- Davonte Freeman, RB, Florida State
106. Cleveland Browns- Jackson Jeffcoat, DE, Texas
107. Oakland Raiders- Dominic Easley, DT, Florida
108. Minnesota Vikings- Jack Mewhort, OT, Ohio State
109. Buffalo Bills- Dion Baiely, FS, USC
110. St. Louis Rams- Christian Kirksey, LB ,Iowa
111. Detroit Lions- Jeff Janis, WR, Saginaw Valley State
112. Tennessee Titans- AJ McCarron, QB, Alabama
113. New York Giants- Lache Seastrunk, RB, Baylor
114. Jacksonville Jaguars- Zach Mettenberger, QB, LSU
115. New York Jets- DeMarcus Lawrence, DE, Boise State
116. Miami Dolphins- Stanley Jean-Baptiste, CB, Nebraska
117. Chicago Bears- Shane Skov, LB, Stanford
118. Pittsburgh Steelers- Caruan Reid, DT, Princeton
119. Dallas Cowboys, Christian Jones, ILB, Florida State
120. Arizona Cardinals- Cameron Fleming, OT, Stanford
121. Green Bay Packers- Josh Huff, WR, Oregon
122. Philadelphia Eagles- Brandon Coleman, WR, Rutgers
123. Cincinnati Bengals- Jordan Zumwalt, OLB, UCLA
124. Kansas City Chiefs- Crockett Gilmore, TE, Colorado State
125. San Diego Chargers- Louichez Purifoy, CB, Florida
126. New Or4leans Saints- Jon Halapio, OG, Florida
127. Cleveland Browns, James Gayle, OLB, Virginia Tech
128. Carolina Panthers- James Hurst, OT, North Carolina
129. SF 49ers- Charles Leno, OT, Nevada
130. New England Patriots- Ryan Grant, WR, Tulane
131. Denver Broncos- Dri Archer, KR, Kent
132. Seattle Seahawks- George Uko, DT, USC
133, Detroit Lions- Arthur Lynch, TE, Georgia
134. Baltimore Ravens- Terrance West, RB, Towson
135. Houston Texans- Will Clarke, DE, West Virginia
136. Detroit Lions- EJ Gaines, CB, Missouri
137. NY Jets Kenny Ladler, S, Vanderbilt
138. Baltimore Ravens, Xavier Grimble, TE, USC
139. Atlanta Falcons- Cody Latimore, WR, Indiana
140. New England Patriots,- Adrian Hubbard, OLB, Alabama
Round 5

141. Houston Texans- Jordan Tripp, OLB, Montana
142. Washington Redskins- Michael Schofield, OT, Michigan
143. Tampa Bay Bucs- Ross Cockrell, CB, Duke
144. Jacksonville Jaguars- Marcel Jenkins, TE, Fresno State
145. Cleveland Browns- Ricardo Allen, CB, Purdue
146. Seattle Seahawks- Tyler Gafney, RB, Stanford
147. Atlanta Falcons- Chris Davis, CB, Auburn
148. Minnesota Vikings- Deion Belue, CB, Alabama
149. Buffalo Bills- Brent Urban, DT Virginia
150. Jacksonville Jaguars- Chris Watt, OG, Notre Dame
151. Tennessee Titans- Daniel McCullers, DT, Tenn.
152, New York Giants- Ed Stinson ,DT, Alabama
153. St. Louis Rams- Ryan Carrethers, DT, Arkansas State
154. New York Jets- Preston Brown, ILB, Louisville
155. Miami Dolphins- Mike Davis, WR, Texas
156. Chicago Bears- Brian Stork, C, Florida
157. Pittsburgh Steelers- James White, RB, Wisconsin
158. Dallas Cowboys- Lamin Barrow, ILB, LSU
159. Jacksonville Jaguars- Prince Shembo, LB, Notre Dame
160. Arizona Cardinals- Anthony Steen, OG, Alabama
161. Green Bay Packers- Isaiah Lewis, SS, Michigan State
162. Philadelphia Eagles- TJ Jones, WR Notre Dame
163. Kansas City Chiefs- Nevin Lawson, CB, Utah State
164. Cincinnati Bengals- Ronald Powell, OLB, Florida
165. San Diego Chargers- Devin Street, WR, Pitt
165. Indianapolis Colts- Josh Mauro, DE, Stanford
167. New Orleans Saints- Antoinne Exum, CB , Virginia Tech
168. Carolina Panthers- Walt Aikens, CB, Liberty
169. New Orleans Saints- Seantrel Henderson, OT, Miami
170. SF 49ers- Jay Prosch, FB, Auburn
171. Denver Broncos- Nat Behre, SS, South Dakota State
172. Seattle Seahawks- Cody Hoffman, WR, BYU
173. Pittsburgh Steelers- Kevin Norwood, WR, Alabama
174. NY Giants- Tyler Larsen, C, Utah State
175. Baltimmore Ravens- Justin Ellis- DT, Louisianna Tech
176. Green Bay Packers-Matt Patchan, OT, Boston College

need a fresh set of eyes, mine are bleary about now, my mind is toast.,

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Diamonds in the Rough has the Steelers picking Hageman from Minnesota in the 1st round. They have all their 1st round picks changed around. He's a Nose Tackle for those that don't know. They have Dennard and Robinson dropping back later in the round. And Bortles, who's supposed to go 1st among QB's is listed as being taken behind the other two. Their mock draft is kind of weird compared to all of the others....

 

My draft based on who is available:
15th- Mike Evans The biggest failing among tall WRs is dropped passes. http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/46006/349/peshek-top-4-wr-metrics Rotoworld had a good write up on WRs. Evans has natural hands only 4.29% drops while having 25%+ of his passes deep, when a QB would be less accurate. To me there are only 3 quality tall WR Evans, Moncrief, and maybe Mathews.
46th- Kyle Fuller I don't think he falls this far but if he does, I take him.
97th- Smallwood Did not have a drop off after Sio Moore left for the NFL.
118th- Hurst OT Might need to go on temp IR, gives the team options next year with Gilbert.
157th- White I like the stiff arm when he gets outside against guys in the secondary
173rd- Ellis DT Fills a team need at NT

I am partial to Radar Love.

 

I liked Haggeman early on bit his inconsistencies led me to devalue him. He has upside but he's a classic 5 technique not a NT. Nix III he's a NT.

 

I think they had Nix III going to the Cowboys right in front of the Steelers.....

 

A trade with Chicago to move up 2 spots ?

 

I looked into draft diamonds 2 round mock: a lot if issues. Too many early CB & WR. They whiffed badly on fitting players to teams. Gave PIT & BAL 3 technique DT's. I did like Tuitt to NE & Gabe Jackson, Antonio Richardson and JuWann James early with OC Richburg & Martin coming off. But ...,, way too early for Desir and no Morgan Moses? What is the
Man crush on Jack Mewhort??? I do not have the eye that bb does for OL but I have the Senior Bowl Practices and game on DVR and sorry folks he got whooped early and often. Moses stood out, Richburg stood out, that's how I saw things .

 

Jack Mewhort = Ed Wang - A big no thank you and would be a waste of a pick...

enjoy,

one of the idiots

 

because I am thorough on this, I watched The Senior Bowl again. Dee Ford went around PewFart like a pylon, then a play or two later he had to hook a DE, might have been Michael Sam. He sucks ass, no thankyou.

Some of the WR in that game, I'll stand by my mock, I though Norwood had a nice game, and he's not shy on contact,, He's a Steeler type of WR. The kid that is intriguing is out of Oklahomna, Jalen Saunders, he is 5 foot nothing weighs 160 lbs. in the rain, but man he's got a second gear. Confirming the arm of Derek Carr also,, miles ahead of AJ McCarren. I got AJ going 4th round, I really don't give two shitts about all his wins, he's on a semi-pro team playing college kids. His arm is suspect and the decision to not participate in the Senior Bowl was a bad move.. I read he may of had an injury, but to me he was listineing to his agent, like a lot of the other top QB's who skip the Senior Bowl. They are afraid of getting injured and losing money. To me Carr smoked past him and Garappolo got to meet, greet, and compete in front of 32 teams. Class this missed.

Revisited some of the guys I liked, confirmed that. Kirksey I may have to move up a little and Deonne Buchannon if he's there at 46 I'm all in. Inciidently, Mewhort was at RT when he was toasted like a Marshallow, and the coaches put Morgan Moses in at LT over him. LIke I said, confirms what I saw in the practices and in the actual game.

BTSC has an interesting big board, maybe they know more than me,, but not about Yawin Smallwood. They called him a 2 down linebacker, I am not sure how much time they put into film but they are BS-ing their way through the evaluation, JMFO. They got a lot right, but I think theyt have Desir too low and I have similar grades on Smallwood and Desir, both of whom I would grab at 97. The thing you see right about Desir, watch him take to coaching, he listens, he learns, he makes corrections. He is one of those kids that will tansition to the NFL from Division II and appears to be a real hard worker.

 

Re the WR... Another WR that I have been hearing about and that is on the upward is the kid from Indiana - A big ten school not known for throwing the ball - Cody Latimoore He's over 6'2" and can run 4.43 40. projected early day 3 prospect... As with Norwood from Bama.. there are a lot of day 2-3 WR in this draft and another reason I'm not high on drafting one at #15... Currently the Steelers have 4 CB's scheduled in for a visit and it would not surprise me if they look at another 2-4 CB's in their 30 visits.. We will be drafting CB(s) somewhere in this draft and highly probable that's the pick at #15. WR - we can wait - unless its Watkins - and he aint getting out of the top ten - maybe wont get out of the top 5...

enjoy,

one of the idiots

 

Latimer reminds me of Cotchery, a bit stiff and not very elusive or electric but a reliable tough yards picker-upper.

 

Yeah and he can CATCH - That would be my FIRST priority when looking at a WR - And I'd rather see the Steelers (Mann) spend time on developing a player that has potential.. a Draft pick.. than spending time trying to fix a problem that several other teams could not.. Plus Bey will take rep from someone that would better be served with them. Someone has a major Ego - the front office or Mann - that thinks they can fix a guy (Bey) that has numerous issues catching the football... not a good move - and no I'm not "overly excited" just calling this for what I see it as.. A stupid move.

enjoy,

one of the idiots

 

I don't agree he's going to take balls away from someone, there will be plenty of balls to go around (calm yourself there ManO ) and if they draft a guy like Latimer they will make sure he gets his fair share of opportunities. Like I said on the other thread, to me signing DHB is no different than signing some no name fast guy with bad hands.

 

What is he, a nut snatching squirrel.

 

And why the hell would you sign either?

enjoy,

one of the idiots

 

Special teams? Also doesn't the defense still have to respect his deep speed which can open up underneath routes? You cannot just say that guy can't catch and let him run past you. Even a guy with bad hands catches about 80% of catchable balls. Maybe we end up with a Robin Williams catch from "The Best of Times" as a highlight reel. If there is not a bonus, he is just a camp body at this point.

 

Need camp bodies and competition, especially since this team does not have a guy like that to keep defenses honest. I see nothing wrong with adding a really fast guy with size to a camp try-out. There is nothing but upside with this, however small it may be.