Steelers Draft and Mel Kiper sucks thread!!

Roc,

Agreed on Ebron , no F thanks .

Latest not greatest mocking fess.

15. Darquez Dennard CB michigan State
46. Davante Adams WR Fresno St.
97. Yawin Smallwood LB UConn
118. Carun Reid NT Princeton
157. James White RB Wisconsin
173. Kevin Norwood WR Alabama
193. DeAndre Coleman DT/DE Cal
215. Howard Jones OLB Sheppard
231. Steven Clark P Auburn *PARDON*

 

Ny,

I'd be happy with that one..

enjoy,

one of the idiots

 

Right, one of the strongest, most agile, athletic players in college football will suddenly get rolled cause he is 15 lbs lighter than most of the guys at his position. Did you know that Farrior played middle linebacker at like 218 lbs for the better part of his last three years? This is how teams make huge mistakes, the measurable height, weight, speed, and collective combine results only confirm the tape. As for proof about the sub packages, it's easy to find, we ran big nickle and small nickle a ton. Do you remember seeing Troy playing middle linebacker? We ran 4-2-5 and 2-4-5. If you ask me, Donald is perfect when we run designer defenses, he is great at stunting, has the athletic ability to drop into short zones like we see Keisel do regularly, and can be hidden or helped if need be on short yardage or run plays. Christ, go back and look, he is a better athlete than Woodley was by leaps and bounds, he could probably play outside backer in certain situations. Here is what will be buffered, when the Ravens dive in to pick him up after we swing and miss on someone and he dominates our offensive line twice next year. Not sure about you, but a guy with 4 great pass rush moves already, going against our offensive line is scary. I guess we can agree to disagree.

 

Additionally, go ask Justin Pugh from Syracuse currently the highest rated T/G that came out of last years draft how he did when trying to"roll" Donald. Not very well, plus donald beat him on speed rushes and bull rushes. There is even a run play where Donald is lined up directly over Pugh, who fires off the ball, only to find fresh air cause Donald had disappeared before he could lay a hand on him. By the way, Zach Martin and 3 other Senior bowl linemen said he was the most difficult guy to deal with.
Ever heard of Randy White, Charles Haley, Jack Youngblood, Geno Atkins, John Randle .... All undersized guys who made defenses a lot better.
I bet if you go back and look at film, Clowney, Dee Ford, Hageman, and every other D-line prospect gets rolled more than Donald did. Sure, if he is double teamed in the run game he gets rolled, but that means someone else on defense is running free, which is what we want, o-linemen being occupied by having to block two on one.

 

Stillers, Jernigan will b the better NFL prospect...mark it down

 

ajm,

I like Robinson but I think too early in the second round (#47) This draft is deep at WR. If we go WR in the second I like the kid from Vandy better - Matthews. Lot's of later round kids to choose from also.

Re Robinson - I think he's more of an early 3rd rounder and unfortunately we dont have a pick there (yeah we have a 3rd round comp pick - but I doubt Robinson is still on the board at #97)

my opinion,

enjoy,

one of the idiots

 

You really think so? Moats is not a long-term solution IMO, or he would have gotten more than a 1-year contract. He is quality depth but in no way precludes the Steelers from going ILB early.

Did you see that Barr from UCLA is coming for a visit? The Steelers must have an idea that it is possible he falls to them (even if unlikely). That would be a nice pick as well. Can't have too many quality LBs in Pittsburgh - it gives the team great leverage in free agency.

 

When I look at the roster as it is right now, I don't see them drafting an ILB until round 4 for a few reasons. The guys they have on the roster are absolutely capable of running both inside positions, and Timmons is still a monster. Vince Williams ran with Timmons most of the year last year as a 6th round rookie. I see him making huge improvements this year. Sean Spence is another huge question mark, but they drafted him and haven't given up on him for a reason.

The other huge reason is the question marks we have at a few positions that this draft just so happens to be perfect for. I see the beginning of the draft being a bit of a crapshoot as none of the "top QB's" have been super impressive. However, the biggest need many of those teams need is pass-rushers and O-line help, meaning we should have no problem picking Dennard OR Gilbert. I am more of a Dennard fan, simply because he is incredibly physical, but Gilbert's KR abilities and ball-skills are impressive. It's no secret that this is PROBABLY Ike Taylor's last season and giving him some young talent to tutor is incredibly important.

If, for some reason, the Steelers are not able to get either Corner and Mike Evans is available, he MUST come to Pittsburgh. I say this, knowing that he will not pass Baltimore and I REALLY don't want to play him twice a year. Having a good corner to combat him, however, would be a huge plus.

I have to agree with an earlier poster that the Safety position is shored up for quite awhile after Mike Mitchell was signed. He plays A LOT like Ryan Clark and will be able to work with Troy and Thomas this season to build chemistry for the future.

I see the Steelers drafting a Corner and a Wide Receiver in round 1-2, with round 3 being a bit of a crapshoot of ILB, OLB or D-Line. Surprisingly, I could also see them going TE in round 3 to give Ben another target and create more mismatches.

Looking at the offense, this team is building to win another Super Bowl SOON. Their defense is influx, but putting up 28 points a game sure helps take the pressure off. If they run the no-huddle primarily like they keep talking about, they will need some young talent on that side of the ball to make it as easy as possible for Big Ben to find the mismatches. Wheaton will take a big step this year and we know what we have in Brown, but Lance Moore and a few other guys will need to step up to make this team lethal. I think the defense will be better than last year (top 10 would be a HUGE improvement) and I think they just need a few tools to bring them back to where they were.

 

I agree - we need to draft Defense - but my opinion.. We still have question marks at OT - Gilbert and Adams.. mediocre at best....(will they develop? Adams maybe - Gilbert I think is topped out) Adams got beat out by Beachum for LT.. and M.Gilbert.. very inconsistent and we can surely upgrade.. Am I saying take a OT early? no.. but if a guy like M/Moses is available at #47... or Zack MArtin may be BPA at #15... or the kid from Nevada later.. Schofield OT UMich even later.. We need to take a look, if it means an upgrade at RT.


enjoy,

one of the idiots

 

We have a window with Ben of maybe 4 more years with SB possibilities. We need more quality drafts the next 2 years to enhance that window. I know every one likes to bust my chops about Wheaton, but I guarantee you he will at least be better than Sanders. I just feel Sanders hurt us too often in games where 1 score would have won it for us. What we need for this team is whatever will help us win a couple of more SBs. If we go no-huddle all the time will more weapons help this team score around 30 a game? I don't think we will be good enough defensively to have our offense only averaging around 20 points a game. The draft isn't going to improve our D enough for that, but we may be able to get our offense good enough to carry the defense for once. When you have a higher scoring offense it causes your opponent to be more mistake prone and one dimensional. So which way should this team go ?

 

Gid,

going to depend on who is available when we pick .. but If I had to guess - it'll look pretty even spread between Defense and Offense.. 5 defensive players - 4 offense... my guess.

enjoy,

one of the idiots

 

My point I was trying to make is we need to become a higher scoring offense because I don't see our defense being top 5 again anytime soon of coarse unless we sign Harrison and he found the fountain of youth.

 

Gid,

got it - my point is you cant reach for offensive weapons.. example - if Evans, Watkins and K.Benji off the board - there is no way you pick M.Lee at #15.. its a big reach in my opinion.. so.. it is really going to depend on who is available when we pick.. IF they aren't reaching for offensive weapons (M.Lee and Ebron are reaches at #15 in my opinion) then I'm all for it.

enjoy,

one of the idiots

 

Okay, I updated my mock of 3 rounds, some major changes and added the comp picks. please LOOK FOR MISTAKES. It may not seem like much, but you are looking at 6 hours of work, doikng research and figuring out needs and who went to who's pro day, etc.., Really looking for things like, SF already took a DT, why are they taking 2 more, or you got some guy listed twice.

I have rounds 4, 5 done, but not the comp pcks. They really muss up things, because I had to move everything back 12 spots.


1. Houston Texans- Blake Bortels, QB, UCF

2. St. Louis Rams- Greg Robinson, OT, Auburn

3. Jacksonville Jaguars- Jadaveon Clowney, DE, South Carolina

4. Cleveland Browns- Derek Carr, QB, Fresno State

5. Oakland Raiders- Sammy Watkins, WR, Clemson

6. Atlanta Falcons- Jake Matthews, OT, Texas A&M

7. Tampa Bay Bucs- Kony Ealy, DE, Missouri

8. Minnesota Vikings - Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville

9. Buffalo Bills- Kahlil Mack, OLB, Buffalo

10. Detroit Lions- Anthony Barr, OLB, UCLA

11. Tennessee Titans- C.J. Mosley, ILB, Alabama

12. NY Giants- Taylor Lewan, OT, Michigan

13. St. Louis Rams- Clinton Ha-Ha Dix,S, Alabama

14. Chicago Bears- Aaron Donald, DT, Pittsburgh

15. Pittsburgh Steelers-Darqueze Dennard, CB, Michigan State

16. Dallas Cowboys- Tim Jernigan, DT, Florida State

17. Baltimore Ravens- Mike Evans, WR, Texas A&M

18. NY Jets- Justin Gilbert, CB, Okalhoma State

19. Miami Dolphins- Zach Martin, OT, Notre Dame

20. Arizona Cardinals- Johnny Manziel, QB, Texas A&M

21. Green Bay Packers- Eric Ebron, TE, North Carolina

22. Philadelphia Eagles- Dee Ford, OLB, Auburn

23. Kansas City Chiefs- Kelvin Benjamin, WR, Florida State

24. Cincinnati Bengals- Calvin Pryor, S, Louisville

25. San Diego Chargers- Louis Nix III, Notre Dame

26. Cleveland Browns- Marquis Lee, WR, USC

27. New Orleans Saints- Antonio Richardson, OT, Tennesee

28. Carolina Panthers- Brandin Cooks, WR, Oregon State

29. New England Patriots- Jace Ammaro, TE, Texas Tech

30. S.F. 49ers- Ra?sheed Haggeman, DT, Minnesota

31. Denver Broncos- Marcus Roberson, CB, Florida

32. Seattle Seahawks- Ryan Shazier, OLB, Ohio State




ROUND 2


33. Houston Texans- Morgan Moses, OT, Virginnia

34. Washington Redksins- Marcus Martin, C, USC

35. Cleveland Browns- Xavier Su?a-Filo, OG, UCLA

36. Oakland Raiders- Odell Beckham, WR, LSU

37. Atlanta Falcons- Austin Sefarian-Jenkins TE, Oregon

38. Tampa Bay Bucs- Scott Chricton, DE, Oregon St.

39. Jacksonville Jaguars- Jimmy Garappolo, QB E. Illinois

40. Minnesota Vikings-Trent Murphy, DE, Stanford

41. Buffalo Bills- Joel Bitonio, OT, Nevada

42. Tennessee Titans- LaMarcus Joiner, CB, Florida State

43. NY Giants- Jason Verrett, CB, TCU

44. St. Louis Rams- Ka?Deem Carey, RB, Arizona

45. Detroit Lions- Deone Buchannon S, Washington State

46. Pittsburgh Steelers- Davante Adams, WR, Fresno State

47. Dallas Cowboys- Bradley Roby, CB, Ohio State

48. Baltimore Ravens- Kyle Fuller, CB, Virginnia Tech.

49. NY Jets- David Yankey, OG, Stanford

50. Miami Dolphins- Tre? Mason, RB, Auburn

51. Chicago Bears- Allen Robinson, WR, Penn State

52. Arizona Cardinals- Kyle Van Noy, OLB, BYU

53. Green Bay Packers- Jaylene Watkins, CB, Florida

54. Philadelphia Eagles- Bashauad Breland, CB, Clemson

55. Cincinnati Bengals- Kareem Martin, DE, North Carolina

56. S.F. 49ers- Jordan Matthews, WR, Vanerbilt

57. San Diego Chargers- Carlos Hyde, RB, Ohio State

58. New Orleans Saints- Adam Richburg, C, Colorado State

59. Indianapolis Colts- Cyrus Kuanjio, OT, Alabama

60. Carolina Panthers-Gabe Jackson, OG, Mississippi State

61. S.F. 49ers- Stephen Tuitt, DT, Notre Dame

62. New England Patriots-Travis Swanson, C, Arkansas

63. Denver Broncos- Trevor Reilly, DE, Utah

64. Seattle Seahawks- Jaylene Watkins, CB, Florida




ROUND 3


65. Houston Texans-Jimmie Ward, S, Northern Illinois

66. Washington Redskins-DaQuan Jones, DT, Penn State

67. Oakland Raiders- Brandon Thomas, OG, Tenn.

68. Atlanta Falcons-Jerimiah Attachou, OLB, Georgia Tech

69. Tampa Bay Bucs- Martavius Bryant, WR, Clemson

70. Jacksonville Jaguars-JuWann James, OT, Tennessee

71. Minnesota Vikings- Jarvis Landry, WR, LSU

72. Cleveland Browns, Donte Moncrief, Ole Miss-

73. Buffalo Bills- C.J. Fiedorowicz, TE, Iowa

74. NY Giants- Florida Louichez Purifoy, CB, Florida

75. St. Louis Rams- Jared Aberderis, WR, Wisconsin

76. Detroit Lions- Chris Borland, ILB, Wisconsin

77. S.F. 49ers-Stanley Jean-Baptiste, CB, Nebraska

78. Baltimore Ravens-Billy Turner, OT, North Dakota State

79. Dallas Cowboys- Ahmad Dixon, S, Baylor

80. NY Jets- Troy Niklas, TE, Notre Dame

81. Miami Dolphins-Dakota Dozier, OG, Furman

82. Chicago Bears- Will Sutton, DT, Arizona State

83. Cleveland Browns-Cyril Richardson, OG, Baylor

84. Arizona Cardinals-Craig Loston, S, LSU

85. Green Bay Packers-Telvin Smith, ILB, Florida State

86. Philadelphia Eagles-Terrance Brooks, S, Florida State

87. K.C. Chiefs-Marcus Smith, DE, Louisville

88. Cincinnati Pierre Desir, CB, Lindenwood

89. San Diego Chargers- Carl Bradford, OLB, Arizona State

90. Indianapolis Colts-Chris Smith, DE, Arkansas

91. New Orleans ? Victor Hampton, CB, South Carolina

92. Carolina Panthers- Bishop Sankey, RB, Baylor

93. New England Patriots-Anthony Johnson, DT, LSU

94. S.F. 49ers- Keith McGill, CB, Utah

95. Denver Broncos- Ego Furguson, DT, LSU

96. Minnesota Vikings- Bruce Ellington, WR, South Carolina

97. Pittsburgh Steelers- Yawin Smallwood, LB, UConn


98.Green Bay Packers Charles Sims, RB, West Virginnia


99. Baltimore Ravens Ed Reynolds, S, Stanford


100. S.F. 49ers Kelcy Quarles, DT, South Carolina

 

I already caught a mistake. Kyle Fuller got moved down. Crap, I have us taking Davante Adams.

Grrrrrrrrrrrr. At least I can EDIT the thing now without going through Tim.

 

Okay fixed that but not I have Jaylene Watkins twice, man if anyone has ever done one of these, I mean not just pulling names out your azz, it's a real Mutha.

 

Ok team Mocking Fuss, I will fix some crap tonight, I'll have to go through all 3 rounds looking for mistakes. Again, anyone that want to be constructive and suggest positive things, I am all ears.

 

I just saw you posted your 3 rounder ny.
Here is my first go around with my 1st RD Mock

1 Houston - Blake Bortles
2 St. Louis - Jake Matthews
3 Jacksonville - Jadeveon Clowney
4 Cleveland - Sammy Watkins
5 Oakland - Greg Robinson
6 Atlanta - Khalil Mack
7 Tampa Bay - Anthony Barr
8 Minnesota - Teddy Bridgewater
9 Buffalo - Aaron Donald
10 Detroit - Taylor Lewan
11 Tennessee - Justin Gilbert
12 NY Giants - Timmy Jernigan
13 St. Louis - Mike Evans
14 Chicago - Ha Ha Clinton-Dix
15 Pittsburgh - Darqueze Dennard
16 Dallas - Louis Nix III
17 Baltimore - Calvin Pryor
18 NY Jets - Odell Beckham Jr.
19 Miami - Zach Martin
20 Arizona - Johnny Manziel
21 Green Bay - C.J. Mosley
22 Philadelphia - Kony Ealy
23 Kansas City - Marquis Lee
24 Cincinnati - Ryan Shazier
25 San Diego - Bradley Roby
26 Cleveland - Derek Carr
27 New Orleans - Dee Ford
28 Carolina - Kelvin Benjamin
29 New England - Ra'shede Hageman
30 San Francisco - Brandin Cooks
31 Denver - Kyle Fuller
32 Seattle - Eric Ebron

 

Love Greg Robinson over Jake Matthews as the first OT off the board - higher ceiling in my opinion. Good stuff

Enjoy,


one of the idiots

 

NY,
Maybe I am wrong but don't the teams with identical records rotate positions every rd.?