so you think you know baseball............

Shoeless Joe was banned from ever PLAYING again. There was no such thing as a Hall of Fame in 1920 when he was banned - the Hall didn't officially open until 1939.

Given the murkiness of exactly how Jackson was involved in the Black Sox scandal, I would think one of the commissioners would have re-instated him. But since it hasn't happened by now, I don't see it happening in the future.

 

If Rose gets in then Jackson should already be in.....

 

if i was commissioner i would reinstate rose and jackson on day 1 and have a huge kegger on the backlawn on day 2 and on day 3 - look to expand the building. it' 3 dinky floors and they only expanded floor 1 within the last 9 yrs. this needs to be a huge building but bc of the buildings to the left and right of it, it can't be. i asked the curator when i was there - how much stuff do you have over what you show. he said only 10% due to the condition of the pieces as some can't be moved and the lack of size in the building.

catfish means expansion!

and there's a new book about rose and jim dowd and down admits some over-stepping his ground on the rose case. to me giamatti was a tyrant and wanted to make an example out of rose. once he died, rose's banned died with him for life.

and dont forget selig told rose if he admits on gambling, he would look into his reinstatement on the hof ballot - not in baseball. rose admitted it twice but did so on the day the new hof class was announced which pissed selig off. since then selig has not looked into the reinstatement of rose. joe morgan, who is on the board of the hof and mike schmidt went to selig about his promise and nothing!

why is rose banned from attending reunions and stadiums and pressboxes? dumb. yet when selig wanted to ban him from attending the all-century team in boston, the fans revolted and rose attended. when the phils had a 20 yr reunion of the 1980 ws, like the reds ws reunions, rose was not allowed to go. dumb. one of the players put a red rose on 1b for pete in philly.

to me -- put him on the ballot and if he gets in - put it on his plaque with his accomplishments!

 

axe--always a firsttime for everything. selig is done, so get a real commissioner in there and get things done. with social media now and espn etc the pressure is not more intense on rose and jackson but more people care about their hall inductions than when they retired and def in the time jackson stopped playing and the hof created. get it done and mention their banishments on their plaques.

catfish for commissioner!

 

You got my vote, Fish!

 

Sorry, but it's "no" on Rose for me.

 

and in this country people have been given second and third chances and then some. rose deserves another chance at the hall. i have no ties to rose, but when you got murderer's getting out of jail with shorter terms and sentences, rose deserves another chance. not at baseball, but the hof.

 

ok, bear with me here, cat. i'm not here to express an opinion about rose being in the hall. i honestly don't care enough, one way or the other, to argue the point.

yes, people get 2nd and 3rd chances. but that's a pretty broad statement, so let's try to narrow it down.

yes, murderers get out of jail with shorter terms and sentences. an even better example, imo, is the fact that OJ was acquitted of murder charges. but here's the thing, and i feel pretty strongly about it. it was a mistake, and the way to make it right is not to let all future murderers walk on the basis of OJ walking. if something is wrong, u don't keep doing it wrong out of a misplaced sense of fairness. u try to not make the same mistake again, rather than repeat that mistake forever.

but that, in my opinion, has zero bearing on pete rose and HOF, one way or the other. the HOF is not bound by the US Constitution. they are a private entity with their own rules. a FAR better argument in support of rose, imo, would be to point to gaylord perry and say here's a guy who cheated for years and everyone knew it, and yet HE is in the hall, so why isn't pete?

 

Pete got a chance every single day when he was reminded with the sign that's in every team's locker room: gambling on games is forbidden.

If I'm commissioner, he gets in the day he passes away.

 

lulz---we agree for once. haha.

to me - none of the 4200+ of rose's hits has anything to do with his betting on games! his betting was when he was a manager wasn't it? he never was proven to bet on his own team and never a bet to lose.

to me - never let him manage again. fine. never let him in the front office-fine. but to ban him from every stadium, reunion, pressbox and HOF ballot when the HOF has cheaters, attackers, drug addicts and even though he's my favorite- known racists like Ty Cobb in it's halls. Cobb rumored to beat a heckler with no hands and killed a man who tried to rob him and he's in the hall. AND in the late 1920's pitcher Dutch Leonard had info that Cobb and Tris Speaker fixed games. Landis knew he couldn't afford another scandel after the Black Sox swept it under the rug. So if Cobb is in, why not Jackson or Rose?

Ever hear of Hal Chase? He is the 1 guy you never hear about in the Black Sox scandel or saw in the movie Eight Men Out. He didn't play for the Sox or Reds, but he had a huge hand in the fix with intros of players to gamblers and vice versa. Now Chase isn't in the HOF but Baseball is far from perfect, nor is the HOF and their voting process (see Greg Maddux and the writer who would not vote for him to get 100%).

Yet the Hall and their voters are all holy now about Rose and the steroid guys. Screw all of them. Ruth drank booze and attacked an Umpire. Guys took speed and greenies. Guys beat their wives. Guys cheated on their taxes. Guys took steroids. Rose I'm sure wasn't the only one who bet on games. He just got caught. The world and HOF is an imperfect object and place. Yet they wanna turn their backs on Rose and Jackson and the steroid guys but celebrate Perry, Ford, Cobb and others. Baffling.

 

What MLB catcher has caught the most no hitters and how many?

 

Wayne Gretzky.

Just kidding...I'll guess Yogi Beara, and I'll say 7. Pure guess work, though.

 

Waaaaay off, Will. On the number, and different era's. The catcher is more current.....

 

I'll take Pudge Rodriguez with 4, Mr. Trebek.

 

The number is correct Axe. He is given credit for 4, although he caught 5 innings of a rain shrtened game which they don't count. So all we need is the catcher who caught those 4 games?

 

My first thought had actually been Johnny Roseboro (Sandy Koufax' catcher), but you said more recent and he was only slightly after Berra's time.

Let me ponder...

 

Varitek catching Lowe and Lester, I dont remember the other 2

 

bucholtz and nomo?



why don't they count a rain shortened no-no when baseball does as a no-no or perfecto?

 

ahh never woulda guessed Nomo

 

How about Joe Girardi?