I'm not sure if any of you have seen this, but it's a good interview with the prosecutor in the Rice case. http://m.pressofatlanticcity.com/ne...bb4-3942-11e4-a60c-0b72c514d714.html?mode=jqm
my apologies for the "all u care about" part. but u contradict the first line of your post, not only in previous posts, but in this post too. any contribution the league made to the public opinion of ray rice, in my opinion, involves so few people compared to those whose opinion is based on one or both videos as to be statistically meaningless. either that doesn't include the NFL, or u just blamed them there. which is it? i'll say it again - you've blamed the league several times for the public's perception of rice. my bad in saying it was all u cared about, but please don't sit there and say u never blamed the NFL for the public perception of ray rice. here's your first post: if it wasn't the league you're referring to here, i find it odd that i see no mention of TMZ, or the media in general, from u. there certainly weren't any such references in that post, is it so hard to imagine why i got the impression u were laying this on the league, the group u DID mention repeatedly? ray rice fucked himself when he punched his g/f in public, and got taped doing it and arrested for it. if he has trouble finding a job, u need look no further for a reason.
WHERE, in that first post, do I specifically blame the NFL for the public's perception of Ray Rice? This post simply calls out the NFL for their initial mishandling of the Rice incident and their subsequent attempt to do some damage control on the public perception of their punishment by backpedaling and then having Robert Kraft, the hypocrite of hypocrites, shill for the NFL by saying Goodell did the right thing and lambasting Rice as a person. To address your first question, no it doesn't blame the NFL for the public perception of Rice. I've always said that Rice is the one to blame for this, but the public perception of Rice is, in part because of the entire mishandling of this situation and everything that has contributed. In hindsight, it appears that the NFL has done more to make itself look bad with this mishandling and it is starting to make Rice look more like a victim of their incompetence. The NFL has done nothing to promote what the public opinion of Rice has become. The public perception of Ray Rice is what the video has made it. But why should that public perception of Rice be any different than the public's perception of McDonald? For the sole reason that there is a video of Rice and not of McDonald? That shouldn't matter. Wrong is wrong and physical abuse is physical abuse. The fact that you can watch one and not the other shouldn't enter into the equation. The FACT is that the video being seen in all its appalling and abhorrent splendor, is contributing, in large part, to the public's image of Rice. Had their been no video and he was arrested in a manner similar to McDonald, this wouldn't be a blip on the radar.
I agree with this. What's sad is there are other variables to the case/disciplinary action taken that don't get brought up as it may not create the social reaction which brings in more ratings/ profits for TMZ and the other news outlets. Somehow the NFL is more responsible to take action than the judicial system. At the same time it creates criticism of the judicial system that actually deals with this everyday (and their experience has given them the expertise to understand there are valid reasons to choose reform on the first offense in certain cases) by people who have looked into the situation very little beyond what TMZ and MSM media outlets tell them. Rather than helping victims of domestic abuse, look for that to fully leave the thought processes of those people as it will now be replaced by extreme criticism of the child courts and continued criticism of the NFL as now they'll be blamed for creating child abuse.
I believe the 2 game suspension along with a plan of reform has been the norm for first offense domestic violence cases for some time now. What I would like to hear from all the outraged critics is if they have looked into how many players that previously received the same disciplinary action committed a second offense after going through the reform plan. I don't know the stats, but if they can't find that there were any players that committed a second offense after the NFL took the same action for them how can they say the NFL action was wrong (as in these cases in does wind up better for the victims that their spouses stop abusing them vs their spouses losing their jobs and totally puts the abused spouse's life in a tail spin as well.
If you have questions about how previous NFL DV cases have been handled by the league (and by the judicial system), then we've got the answers at L4SN! My first piece after the new format changeover looked back at the league to 2000 and noted all the cases from every team (excluding sexual crimes). http://live4sportnetwork.com/frontend/fans-in-glass-houses/
Here's a problem I'm having now that Adrian Peterson has been indicted for child abuse. There are people on the CBS site that are defending him by saying that children need discipline, as though it is acceptable to bloody and bruise a 4 year old with a switch taken from a tree. Nothing has happened to McDonald or Hardy because there is no video? Please! Abuse is abuse and the ability to watch it on a video shouldn't make a difference. What is wrong with people?
Excellent article Kid! Thanks for posting that! From what I saw there were 9 (or 10 if we count Pac Man) repeat offenders. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't see where anyone became a repeat offender after some sort of plan of Domestic Violence and/or Anger Management (etc) treatment program. I would say that's cause to say there is a good argument to be made that the plan of treatment has had successful outcomes. If that is truly the case, then I don't really see that the NFL was negligent in their initial discipline of Rice (for a first offense) considering how willing he was to acknowledge his wrong and participate in the program. There also seems to be a bigger cry for harsh punishment for him (where impact of the further punishment from the social outcry mob mentality has caused far more long term harm to Janay than what happened in that elevator), then for guys who have assaulted women and a harsh punishment for them would cause no harm to the victim. Also I did not recognize where any of the released players were significant to their teams. Randy McMichael Larry Johnson Brandon Marshall (Have not heard of another incident since he acknowledged being treated for mental illness) Mario Bates Sam Brandon Duane Carswell Michael Pittman Mario Bates Leroy Hill Adam "Pac Man"Jones (Only saw once here, but not sure if he was on a team when TMZ released a video of him slapping a woman who did not have a relationship with him last year). Did not create nearly the same outrage as the Rice situation did.
