Prospects, and the future of the NHL

Discussion in 'NHL General Discussion Board' started by KilkennyDan, Nov 1, 2014.

  1. hockeybob Hall-of-Fame Blackhawks

    That's how it wrapped up.
     
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  3. KilkennyDan Let's Go Buffalo! Patreon Champion Sabres Bills Kilkenny

    Time to start tiering the 2016 draft class.

    This year, as like 2015, there is a clear top-two tier 1 with Matthews extremely likely to become a Leaf and the Jets getting Laine. The Jackets have no alternative since tier 2 has only one prospect, Puljujarvi.

    The next tier runs from #4-8 to 10 depending on who's doing the evaluating. I am very glad that Buffalo is within this range as all of the prospects in tier 3 project as future stars. There are three defenseman worthy of consideration at #8* and a few wingers. No one in tier 3 should be expected to make their team next season, (although some could surprise), but could be only a year away.
    (* The last time Buffalo picked 8th they took a Finnish blueliner; Olli & Rasmus would be a fine tandem for the next 15 or so years.)

    Teams outside the top 9-11 should consider moving up, although I doubt any team in this enviable zone would trade down unless they were given ridiculous compensation**.
    (** It would be ridiculous for a team to offer an NHL-ready top prospect and a good first round pick. However, due to cap considerations, some teams may be willing to consider this.)
     
  4. rediiis Guest

    if generous jim benning wants a defenseman, trade down dammit. dubois is very interesting.
     
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  6. hockeybob Hall-of-Fame Blackhawks

    If I'm an owner, I push for this hard.

    Something big and dirty here. Owners obviously get cost control with more developed players at lower risk. CHL gets to slow down the erosion of their product. Agent losses are minimal depending on what happens with FA clocks.

    Looks like the NCAA is the only one that will take it in the shorts, besides all the young players. I see no gain for these programs with a change to 19. I'm not a fan of the NCAA, but I'm not a fan of the CHL either so I would just assume let the kids and their families have a choice rather than weighing the benefits heavier in one direction or the other.

    I think it takes too much of the gambling out of the draft and offsets one of the few advantages the big market teams have in the cap era, the ability to buy a huge scouting and developmental program.
     
  7. hockeybob Hall-of-Fame Blackhawks

    I haven't spent much time thinking about it but I would want to see the following changes to go along with the change in draft age:

    -Tack on an extra year to draft eligible age
    -Shift ELC compensation for drafted players to close the gaps
    -Lower the age for AHL players
    -Eliminate 6th and 7th round picks since drafting was made so much easier and poor front office performance will benefit most.
    -Tweak the CBA FA clock table a little bit to make sure owners aren't getting a free year of cost control to really good players

    I have to think more on this.
    The NHL is inviting more Auston Matthews scenarios (playing overseas by top players)
    There will be some backlash from top player rep agencies
    There will be a pile of unintended consequences for the USHL and CHL and I don't trust the CHL to be forward thinking on any aspect of the sport.

    I say leave it. I prefer the league draft older players, but there's too much downside.
    Given the salary cap, I don't like the idea of a shitty front office having so much risk taken out of early draft picks and then possibly getting an extra year of cost control without a tweak in the FA table in the CBA.

    If they're going to go to 19. I would prefer they just go to 20 like it was before I was a hockey fan.
     
  8. KilkennyDan Let's Go Buffalo! Patreon Champion Sabres Bills Kilkenny

    A lot to mull over there, Bob. I'm going to just post my random thoughts more than cogent responses.

    If they're going to move draft age eligibility from 18 to 19 then they're going to need to phase that in gradually over at least six years, (move the DoB cutoff date back 2 months each year until you get to 12 months). In June 2016 all the 19 y.o. prospects were already drafted as 18 y.o.'s in 2015.

    Remove the CHL's heavy handed control over youngsters by allowing drafted 19 y.o.'s to go to the AHL.

    Gain PA respect and support by not using this change to push contract controls past where they are now. This could mean shorter ELC's or less service time required to get past RFA status.
     
  9. hockeybob Hall-of-Fame Blackhawks

    I just want to know where the big push is coming from.

    Is it the WJC canada people, the CHL folks, owners collectively looking to gain another cheap controlled year on good players, or if it's small market teams sick of the advantages bigger spenders have in front offices and attracting UDFAs?
     
  10. skinny123 Guest

  11. hockeybob Hall-of-Fame Blackhawks

    Always impressive to see the Belarus blueline get lit up.
     
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  13. hockeybob Hall-of-Fame Blackhawks

    I spoke too soon


    So let me get this straight, elite talent looks awsum against not very good competition?
     
  14. mattymcgee55 Legend Patriots Bruins


    its like Tom Brady vs the AFC East.
     
  15. KilkennyDan Let's Go Buffalo! Patreon Champion Sabres Bills Kilkenny

    Braggard!
     
  16. mattymcgee55 Legend Patriots Bruins

    lol, its been said.
     
  17. KilkennyDan Let's Go Buffalo! Patreon Champion Sabres Bills Kilkenny

    Sometime in ten years or so he's going to retire. Then what?!
     
  18. mattymcgee55 Legend Patriots Bruins

    then we'll see. until then i enjoy the ride.
     
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  20. Willie Head Coach Manager News & Notes Vikings

    Canucks sign Laplante to a 3-yr, entry level...

    Laplante was originally a third-round pick of the Arizona Coyotes in the 2013 NHL Draft, but the team opted not to retain his rights.

    The 21-year-old spent the past season with the Gatineau Olympiques of the Quebec Major Junior Hockey League, scoring 35 goals and 65 points in 63 games.

    He also represented Canada at the 2012 Ivan Hlinka Memorial hockey tournament, winning gold.
     

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