Offensive Woes

Discussion in 'Pittsburgh Steelers' started by beachbum, Oct 12, 2017.

  1. MaineofSteel Franchise Player Steelers

    :wall::foil::rake::yuck: and it doesn't seem as if the pundits, local or national are on to this at all ...

    :oops:he's getting away with impersonating an NFL QB right under their/our noses... and it's going to cost us sooner if not later.
     
  2. gidion72 Legend Steelers

    I think Ben had too many head injuries and it is effecting his decision making.
     
  3. beachbum Legend Manager Steelers

    It's funny I was thinking the other day that maybe my analysis is really off because you rarely see anyone call Ben out for his poor play. Even the bloggers like Steelersdepot who poor over film have taken a pretty hands off approach to Ben. Surely they're seeing what I'm seeing - Ben locking into his first read. Is it loyalty?
     
  4. MaineofSteel Franchise Player Steelers

    beach;
    It's funny I was thinking the other day that maybe my analysis is really off because you rarely see anyone call Ben out for his poor play. Even the bloggers like Steelersdepot who poor over film have taken a pretty hands off approach to Ben. Surely they're seeing what I'm seeing - Ben locking into his first read. Is it loyalty?


    Your analysis is not off. Both my boys are and have been on to him for weeks, and they have the same reservations as you. I didn't really catch wind of it until I noticed his erratic throwing motion, and your last set of pics (only one pic of 2-1/2 qtrs you looked at) are damning and are not wrong. He has multiple options and constantly seeks his easiest and best target in AB, even in triple coverage. Was it you? i think that said the other receivers must be totally frustrated (maybe demo) ... whomever said it is, I suspect, spot on...

    Ben is a shadow of his former receiver seeking self and if Haley really thinks Ben's problems are more in relation to insufficient receiver comfort because he's working with different guys is at best only a symptom of his erratic, seemingly lazy quarterbacking that again, i say, will cost us dearly in a close game sooner rather than later.
    http://www.steelersdepot.com/2017/11/haley-roethlisbergers-first-half-hes-working-different-guys/

    You honestly could not have convinced me he would be our biggest problem coming in to this season, but he is and unless he sees it, it won't be corrected. The second half of our season will be all pins and needles when, at least to some extent, it could have been closer to easy street if only a better surveying of the field would take place.
     
  5. gidion72 Legend Steelers

    If anything us Steelers fans should know it don't come easy. There is always something that slows our beloved team down. They can't just come out and kick ass like the paper says they should. Why do you think all Steeler households come equipped with a defibrillator ?
     
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  6. manosteel9423 Franchise Player Steelers

    I would be awfully curious to see an analysis like these ones on one of the elite QBs. I mean, we all know that Ben is not in the same category as Brady or Rodgers when it comes to the intellectual side to the game, but I would be very interested to see how many times Tom Brady makes the wrong read or throws to a covered receiver with an open one somewhere else, or how many times he stares down his primary target. Maybe that would give us some insight into why the coaches aren't as concerned about this as we are. Is Ben maybe not that far removed from the other elite QBs in the league? Is this something that we are overreacting to?
     
  7. Lyman "Franchise Asshole" Browns Buckeyes

    Most definitely !!!
     
  8. ajmtanas Franchise Player Steelers

    Easy peezy lemon squeezy
     
  9. Jeanquev Legend Steelers

    Could some of his woes be related to no longer having Heath Miller as a safety Valve?

    Looking at just the time with Haley as the OC
    With Miller
    65.7% completion
    5.1 TD%
    2.2 Interception rate
    288 yards per game average

    Without Miller
    63.3%
    5%
    2.8%
    267 yards a game.

    Yes its not a big change but it is more of a change than most people would think. Some will point out that the change in completion percentage is only 1 or 2 catches a game and that is true but what is the context of those 1 or 2 catches a game. If its to Miller snagging a first down and extending a drive how big is that 1 or 2 extra catches a game?
     
  10. greatwazoo Home Town Favorite Steelers

    Piggy backing your Miller idea. Once Heath left, it left Ben as the senior guy on the offense. None of his peers to keep him in check. No Hines Ward, Heath Miller or Jerome Bettis' anymore who have the power to hold him responsible for his part in the offense. Just an idea, since he is an immature ass of a human being outside of football. IMHO
     
  11. firehalo Guest

    The only time I can remember Brady staring down a target and hitting it was when the Steelers were trying that "Cover ZERO" scheme against New England. Gronkowski. But that was ZERO coverage, not triple coverage.
     
  12. gidion72 Legend Steelers

    I would stare down Gronkowski against the Steelers too, he is always open.
     
  13. ajmtanas Franchise Player Steelers

    If Benny boy retires after this season, any chance our beloved Super Steelers go after Kirk Cousins?

    Please advise
     
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  14. gidion72 Legend Steelers

    He will be coveted by many teams in this league. I believe the Steelers will go the draft route for a new QB. We will trade up.
     
  15. ajmtanas Franchise Player Steelers

    But what if he does a “Joe Haden” and wants to come to Pittsburgh for less than what other teams offer?
     
  16. gidion72 Legend Steelers

    Why? Is he a Steelers fan?
     
  17. beachbum Legend Manager Steelers

    They already did that. #JoshDobbs
     
  18. ajmtanas Franchise Player Steelers

    Is Joe Haden a Steelers fan?
     
  19. dirk275 Franchise Player Steelers

    I'd like to see that or maybe Alex Smith.
    This team is built to win now. IMO getting a veteran to start for a few years makes sense. At this point, the way Ben is playing, Smith would have more success with this team.
     
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  20. ajmtanas Franchise Player Steelers

    IMO the next “franchise” QB is not on this year’s roster nor is one of the current backups capable of winning a SB.
     
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