NCAA stuff

hobie gets voted on before the final, give the tin to ovie, "who cares"

 

In bracket news... Will picks up another 4 points with the Boston Terriers winning their semi-final game and advancing to the finals to face Providence. If the BU wins, Will wins the contest (15-12), if the Terriers lose, I win (12-10).

 

Voting for players based on where they are from is a terrible idea, I don't care which conference it's from. Are you under the impression that HockeyEast players get more votes? that's news to me, I think many of the ex-WCHA/CCHA voters use their hearts more than their brains. Since Ryan Miller won it in 2001 there have been 3 Hobey Winners from Hockey East in the next 15 years, that's including Gaudreau and Eichel. Any claim of an east coast bias is ridiculous, while Hockey East has won the most Titles by far in that time the accolades aren't there. Im not complaining about it because the awards don't mean shit, just pointing out any hypocrisy w/ east coast bias in NCAA hockey. Gaudreau was the best player last year and Eichel is this year, there's no debate.

 

I had no idea i was even in it still... damm.

If i win and even the fact im still alive in this thing is pure luck. I didnt and dont know diddly about these NCAA schools. I simply made a bunch of guesses.

 

thats funny, good job Will.

 

Will, I think that's what most of us did. I guessed lucky on RIT over MN State, but it's clear that you're the best guesser in the house.

It may be a bit premature, but my guess is that BU beats PC. So, congratulations!

 

Thanks Dan.

I used to follow just a little bit of the CCHA when that was going. I remember a lot of Big 10 Schools were in it and Lake Superior State, Michigan Tech, i think... stuff like that.

I think the ol' BGSU Falcons were in the CCHA and were very good and could hang with the Buckeyes and wolverines.

Anyway, when local TV programers decided not to carrry CCHA hockey locally i stoped following closely.

The games i saw with BGSU against whom ever, it was always exciting. Nothing beats those Wolverine and Sparty rivals either, thats good stuff.

 

Ahhh, wasn't Ty Conklin a contender in Ryan Miller's year?

I agree voting, as a rule, is a terrible idea.
I hate that voters pick and chose from the Hobey Baker through the Norris, through HOF committees, etc because of the inherent biases. My gripe isn't at Hobey Baker voting in general because I don't see most of the players let alone have any opinion on how to rank them outside of what NHL scouts say/write about them.

I never said East Coast bias btw, I said Hockey East. It's a good point though, I should look up voting and media rankings for the region vs the rest of the country and final results. I mentioned HE specifically for the same reason North Dakota, Minnesota, etc. get fluffed in the rankings even when the teams aren't that great. HE has more tv, more national exposure and more popularity as a conference. Ever since the big realignment HE has been getting more hype nationally and others seem to have dropped a notch in their national profile. The conference went full Booyah and the Booyahs were happy to oblige. I'm not complaining about it either because it raises the profile of a sport's league that probably deserved a nudge upward.

For example the USA today poll had 4 HE teams in the top 12 for the 15' preseason and 6 in the top 20 and finished at 3 and 5.

My point was that Starman might be countering a Chris Peters-type for example. When most rankings were putting 5 and 6 HE teams in the top 15, Chris Peters was putting 7 last season.
http://unitedstatesofhockey.com/201...ey-preview-conference-by-conference-rankings/ It's possible I'm looking in the wrong places, but I look at quite a few hockey sites that link others and I come across far more writers that seem to have a overwhelming HE bias. I assume most of it has to do with the obvious answer, popularity. Since one feeds off of the other, I have little doubt that some voters, like Starman seemed to do, use votes as microphones .

 

Gino Cavallini '84 Championship winning goal.

 

Not yet, but I haven't looked for annual voting numbers either. I haven't spent any time looking at voting results beyond the top 3 most years. Eichel was the favorite day one this year so I never really thought about it. Same with Gaudreau last year. Since the realignment the writers seem to weigh HE more heavily which is where I was starting from (on Starman) because of this:

I never cared to look at how much fan voting matters. Just having it determine anything has drastically altered my opinion of the award anyway. I think Eichel deserves it, but I can't say why anybody else doesn't deserve it because I don't see enough. Since the arguments against Eichel are few and far between all season, I'm under the impression that some of the voters were indirectly saying something else besides a preference for a different candidate. (like Baseball HOF voters turning in empty ballots, HHOF keeping Shanny off of first ballot, etc.) There always seems to be bullshit, but I don't know enough to find out what direction its coming from or going to in this case.

 

That quote about fan voting is from the hobey baker website btw.
http://www.hobeybaker.com/

 

I should edit this. I meant that my gripe isn't at the voting results in general. I don't like the voting process, but I'm not disputing any particular voting results.

 

i believe he was, he may have already left though. he was on some great UNH teams. Krog had just won it '99 though so giving it to another UNH guy would've been tough regardless.

are Hobey votes archived and public? would be great if you could find that.

and the end poll will probably have 4 HE teams in the final 12 including the top 2 teams.

look at the number of Frozen 4 entrants and Champs from HE in the past decade and you'll see why. That might not mean that HE will be the best next year but I think the media is always a couple years behind. They go w/ recent history.

 

you and me both. imagine if a Latvian is in the running.

anyway you slice it the kid earned it- most points (usually enough in and of itself for awards like this), he's super marketable, and in terms of team value the BU record from last year to this year is staggering and he's the biggest reason why.

i don't like fans or writers (paid fans) voting either. i know Jim Connolly pretty well, his sister Sue and my sister went to school together and are close. i shouldn't say that i know him pretty well, more that we've crossed paths a few times including a Thanksgiving at my sister's a few years ago. Either way, he's a good writer but he's a HE guy all the way, and completely unashamed about it. Im not so sure that I like him voting on the Hobey and I think that he's nowhere near as bad as most in terms of bias.

 

I have no idea. I've never looked but I do follow a number of writers and most say publicly how they vote. I've never paid attention to Hobey voting since I've seldom had an opinion about the candidates being better or worse than others.

To be more specific about my cross sports comparisons, I'm talking about how the 5th team in the HE gets more votes than the number 3 team in many conferences over the last several years, sometimes the 2nd, especially before a year starts similar to how the SEC is ranked.
There's no question that HE has one or more elite teams every year or that it is the best conference (also one of the largest conferences), I'm talking about how the entire/whole thing gets rated so high and how it seems to be based more on familiarity (hype) than on results and talent on the ice.

This year again for example on March 23, RPI has 5 in the top 23 and the USA writers poll has 5 in the top 14. It's a regular thing. I think it's just natural that the votes follow some of the perception even if the results don't align with it.

They rotate board chairman, did a Latvian set up the rotation?
It would explain some of it.

 

i just saw that play. what a punk. thats why i hate BU, that kinda crap isn't uncommon for them.

 

fucking 4 seconds, 2 goals.
Providence w/ the Roger Dorn ole letting the BU center walk in.

 

7 minutes to go. 3-2 BU.

 

OH MY GOD OWN GOAL!!!!!!!!!!

 

3-3 8 mins left