name the player,or post whatever you friggin' want

In 20 years from now or sooner, normal people will be considered outcasts, saying good morning to a stranger will be an open invitation to getting mocked.

 

i guess the pooch doesn't have any rights?

wtf is wrong with people ? wow, this ruins my day. what a world we live in...

skinny--im headed up on Saturday to see my sister for her Birthday and I'm finally giving her the book!!!! CAn't wait.

 

Cat, that guy looks like one real sick fuk.

 

yeah - pretty sick. i posted a story on the ditch thread that may take the cake...

 

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-national-guard-bonus-20161020-snap-story.html

I hate this story on so many levels.

Bonus money had typically been paid when personnel had qualified for their bonus money.
They changed the practice to give the money up front creating a big mess.

It's the same as getting busted in an audit as far as I'm concerned. If you're innocent, you get a headache and they fix it. If you're not, you have to give the money back you weren't supposed to have. These were vets, they knew how fucked up DOD pay adminstration is, has been, and will be. I'm not really sympathetic. The DOD always gets their money back. In training, even decades ago, they're told to make sure you don't spend the money in case you weren't entitled to it, because they take it back.

At least this will bring light to a problem area that needs to be fixed.

 

You give somebody $15k and in a year or two it's gone, just human nature. Spending is the easy part, paying it back 10 years later? Not so much.

 

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/liberals-promise-bring-yazidi-refugees-192241143.html

 

http://fortune.com/2016/10/24/kfc-lawsuit/

Here's a woman that was so tired of going through life being named after a hamburger that she decided to take it out on the chicken.

 

but if they were promised the money, then why are they asked to pay it back? this is bullshit! they were asked to go back and did and got paid for it and now are asked to pay it back? great government Obama!

 

I saw this. haha. At first I thought the lady from Wendy's sued KFC. haha.

 

Yeah, there is a wendy thomas.

Here's a reasonable question, "why not just have them fill it to the top?. Some lawyer will take this on and try to get a cut if there's a payout. If there is an actual payment, I give up on humanity.

 

They were promised money based on meeting the criteria for the bonus.
The military has many pays based on type of duty, zip code, allowances for expenses, etc. They're talking about bonus payments. When you sign a contract there is a page outlining the bonus amount, the payment schedule, and the duty that qualifies an individual for the bonus.

Often, in an attempt to fill billets in time of war, the DOD creates new types of enlistment incentives. In this case, it was paying bonus money up front for reenlistees. The Army, particularly the manpower decision makers with the Natlgaurd, fucked up by boosting bonus money up and then boosting the payments up front.

That does NOT excuse service members from personal accountability. These weren't 20 year olds running from their old neighborhood, 22 yr olds kicked out of mom's basement, or 18 years olds looking to get out of a rural area, these were veterans, not new soldiers on their first contract with no clue how things work.

If disadvantaged folks cheat the system for entitlement, many are up in arms. This is the exact same thing with the exception of disadvantages (for the most part).

I'm sure there were some that felt they met their obligations to receive the bonus, but I would be shocked if they were the exception and not the rule. There are 10s of thousands of reservists and active duty and retired armed forces members who will be making a shit storm if they're allowed to keep the bonus money they weren't entitled to because they've had to deal with the DOD making payment corrections on them for years, often because of far more innocent mistakes.

 

Anyway, I really dislike how this story is presented in the media.

The reason so many soldiers were retained was because of the bonus money.

It's not really more complicated than that. The different components of each branch were under tremendous pressure to meet manpower needs when the economy was doing very well.

I'm very confident that the program was pushed without much training having gone into properly explaining the bonus criteria to most of the soldiers, but again, these were veterans. You don't spend money unless you know you were entitled to it, that's what every command tells their people because of the tremendous hardship and stress financial matters can have on their personnel.

 

It's now become an election issue, trump and clinton both speaking out against it.

 

Of course they will. If I was a politician, I would speak against it too.

Sacrilege to diminish any part of the service of firefighters or armed forces unless copious amounts of criminal evidence is piled against them. Has to be something else, no way could they have fucked up. Lordy help us if they suggest that many of these people wouldn't have stayed without bonus incentives (ie cash grabs).

That's why I can't stand the story. I don't think either candidate would have the same stance if they were NOT running for office.

The story has been framed in a way that a politician would be a fool to say something along the lines of
"well, almost all of these soldiers fucked up more or less. There was a problem with the way the program was administered, but we can't just pass out 15K to people who didn't earn it. We should look into it and make sure the ones that earned it get to keep it but the rest should pay it back because it's the right thing to do".

There may be hundreds of thousands that missed out on sea-pay hikes, haz duty bonus payments, extended deployment duty payments, etc. by a few days here or there because they were reassigned or took orders to a new command a little early since Kosovo through today.

This is a going to be a very expensive can of worms to open....but the story has been framed as "the government is robbing the troops".

Like I said, I hated this story. First glimpse I had of it made me physically upset. There are so many thousands cursing at the TV and media and DOD right now because they missed out on money by a few days either way.

Imagine the poor fuckers at DFAS (DOD money people). Somebody was told to audit records and check the accounting and now their whole department is getting slammed by the same politicians for fixing something that the same politicians created themselves (ordering deployments, authorizing money, authorizing bonus payments, approving manpower, and then bragging about how they were legislating a path to victory)

 

Pre-paid bonuses are riduculous to begin with, asking for it back is a disaster. You put $15k in somebody's bank account and expect them to practice self-control is being dumb. That money could be needed for thousands of good reasons and anyone in their shoes would use it. The politicians will throw the system under the bus if they could gain, that goes without say.

 

The DOD payment structure is so complicated that errors are inevitable. Base pay, based on pay grade, is only a part of the pay calculation. For veterans, it's often less than half of their total paycheck. Pay changes everytime a member has a change in duty location, type of command, change in dependency, change in where they live, etc. Payments are deferred because of transfer dates and assignment dates and any little mistake filed by a 19 year old could have financial consequences for the service member.

These people reenlisted when a full blown war was on going and units were facing sever manpower shortages. That's the only reason the bonus money was paid up front. The root of the problem was the war itself and the questionable decision to deploy Natl Gaurd units.

And no, not everybody uses it just because it shows up in their account, especially veterans. I bet anybody in the service has seen 18 -23 year olds ignoring the warnings about overpayments to accounts and spending the money. I'm sure many would spend an up front bonus payment too That's not who most of these soldiers were, they were reenlistees. They know or should know better. If anybody digs (who would want to touch this in a negative light?), I won't even blink when they find out many or most of those soldiers knew they were supposed to ask questions about that money.

 

hbob--did they get notices or warnings to not spend it and that is was an over-payment versus the bonus that was promised? the article doesn't seem like it was made clear to the Veterans who reenlisted what it was. they reenlisted and were promised money as a bonus. they see it in their accounts - why wouldn't they think this was legit from the arrangement they agreed upon versus a over-payment unless a fat WARNING came with it?

im not picking a fight here. just asking questions bc i don't know the answers.

 

Bonus payments, and they're criteria are laid out on the actual extensions. If it wasn't signed and in their service records, I don't understand how they could have ordered a payback of the money.

It seems many contracts were frauded, but I don't know how many yet. It also appears that errors or frauded loan repayments were are lumped in with the bonus story. Those are separate animals. I am very sympathetic to any member scammed by the repayment program incentive, it's much different to me. That type of thing is much more difficult to process and few service members outside of recruiting/retention wouldn't have a clue if things were legitimate or not in my opinion.

Until they tell us that thousands of these contracts were frauded with bonus incentives I'm guessing most of it was members not paying attention to their reenlistment docs and service members spending other entitlements that they weren't supposed to. I think all of these stories of collection are being lumped together when they shouldn't be.

The root of the problem was the continued deployment of National Gaurd components. It was part of the inevitable long term costs to the taxpayers, gov, and individual members nobody tells anybody about when we mobilize for some arse kickin.

 

great info. you better go back in the bunker as they have spies everywhere and always watching...