MONDAY MORNING QUARTERBACK

Thats good stuff Tim. I would've thought you'd hold them higher though. They're on course for about a 10-6, thats a 4game improvement on last years 6 win record. Pretty much anyone should be happy with their team doing that year on year.

Sure there are weaknesses as we both say, but they can run the ball and get after the passer. Those will always be powerful traits in this league.

As for your numbers, true of course, but they did have a good win over the Colts and their Defense is giving up about 13ppg over the last 3 weeks.

Anyway no question to me they are going in the right direction. AFC North to be a powerhouse division in a few years time?

 

That depends on where you are when you pass out.

You really should know by now you're not smart enough to play this game with me.

 

Well if you're stupid enough to hold you're breath somwhere that would cause you to die when you pass out that is on you not on me.

 

Dude you haven't got out of stupid since this whole exchange started, you're not qualified to pass judgment on anything at this point. I would've thought you'd have a lot of experience of this kinda thing tho, waiting for someone to compliment one of your hot take posts.

Any reason you're being not critical of Miami playing Tua? Is it cos he isnt injured yet?

 

To answer your questions I don't make post in the hopes to get a crap ton of likes nor do I care if anyone agrees with them or not. They are my oinion and while you may thinkmthey are stupid (whichnis your opinion) I'm not changing it just because someone storms in acuses me of drug use and then tries to beat me down on it by saying I'm stupid. Maybe it is stupid but I'm willing to bet everyone on this site has said something stupid here at one point or another.

Secondly I disagreed with the switch to Tua in miami for 2 reasons.

1) Because the team was playing well with Fitz at QB.

2) My mind set to rookie qbs is let them sit a year on the bench to start their careers. Some believe you should start them right away and there is evidence out there that supports both sides of the argument. Even had burrow survived the season I would have still said sit him the first year. You might not agree with that strategy but again I'm just stating its my way of thinking.

 

I'm not going comment on Burrow's particular situation but I think a lot more goes into the start or sit decision than whether or not someone is a rookie. My feeling is that, if a team has a modicum of talent around the QB, it may be a good thing to get him out there. One example would be the 04 Steelers. Now, I know that Maddox did start that season and Ben only came in due to injury but when Maddox was ready to return, he did not. I felt the Steelers and Ben benefited from those growing pains as they won XL the next year. Conversely, I thought Philip Rivers was helped by sitting. The Chargers were terrible, even with Brees at QB in 03. But they had to choose at the 2006 season and Rivers was probably better for it.

Still, in the end, you're right. There's support for both sides of the coin and you're just as right as me or anyone else.

 

In this case thats probably a very good thing.

Obvs we should leave game threads out of this cos everyone's drunk and fired up in game threads and thats the way it should be God Bless game threads. Other than that im not sure i agree. You can be wrong, we're all wrong sometimes. But wrong and stupid are two different things. Sorry but what you were suggesting and particularly how....was stupid and no amount of doubling down will change that. And yes you have the right to share whatever you want. So do I.

But we're not on Twitter, we can be better than a brain fart here. Personally i think we all deserve it. Since we're now self-evaluating, yes i will be an asshole when my time gets wasted reading something dumb. But i'll also shower with praise something great that benefits us all. You're better than the Gap jeanquev. Be better than the Gap.

I actually felt exactly the same way. I went on record here saying so although i didnt see you do that.

Funnily enough i am also a believer of letting a QB sit as long as you can.....in most circumstances. But Burrow doesnt include that, and sorry, but suggesting they try to parlay covid into making it come about is just not happening for all the reasons stated and a few more.


But Happy fucking Thanksgiving!

 

Thats all well and good Dirk, but two things:

1- This conversation has morphed somewhat into now discussing do you sit rookie QB's, but this represents another subtle shifting of the goalposts.

The debate was about the specific rookie Burrow and this came about purely because he got injured. jean made no posts about benching Burrow, or Tua for that matter, that i saw prior to the injury. Its an important distinction. Talking about sitting rookies in generality is one thing, piping up post-injury that Burrow should never have been out there in the first place and the Bengals should've engineered(and possibly broken league rules in the process) a means to sit Burrow, is something different entirely.

2- IMO there is a clear difference when looking at this, between a #1 overall pick and later in the draft pick. And you can say there's support for both sides but you know what, the argument for playing the #1 overall pick is the one thats right and thats not coming from me, its coming from the teams themselves.

Teams are starting the rookie as soon as they can every time in this situation. That goes for Burrow or Kyler Murray, Baker Mayfield(may have sat like 1 game), Jameis Winston, Andrew Luck and on and on.

You take a QB 1st overall he's playing no ifs no buts. He sure as hell isnt sitting an entire year.

 

Oxymoron alert.

 

Haha Ha.... *crickets*

 

The Colts are going to be shorthanded on defense against the Titans this weekend, but they will have quarterback Philip Rivers in the lineup.

Rivers did not practice on Wednesday because of a toe injury that he suffered in last Sunday’s win over the Packers. The Colts didn’t practice on Thanksgiving, which made Friday a big day to see how he’s feeling for this weekend.

Colts head coach Frank Reich said, via Olivia Ray of WISH, that Rivers “looked good today” and he is on track to extend his consecutive games played streak to 239 regular season games.

Reich also confirmed that defensive linemen DeForest Buckner and Denico Autry will miss the game while on the reserve/COVID-19 list. He also said that linebacker Bobby Okereke has been ruled out with an ankle injury, so the Colts will be thin in the front seven against Derrick Henry and company.

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Bears confirm Mitchell Trubisky will start on Sunday



The Bears released their injury designations for Sunday shortly before head coach Matt Nagy met with the media on Friday afternoon, which took some of the intrigue away from Nagy’s announcement of a starting quarterback against the Packers.

Nick Foles was listed as doubtful after missing three practices with a hip injury, which made it all but impossible to imagine he would get the nod ahead of Mitchell Trubisky. Nagy confirmed that Trubisky will get the start at the beginning of his press conference.

“We’re excited that Mitch is ready and it’s an opportunity for him,” Nagy said.

Trubisky started the first three games of the season, but was benched during Week 3 after the Bears fell way behind the Falcons. Foles rallied the team for a win in that game and they opened with five wins in their first six games, but they’ve lost four in a row since that point and the offense has struggled throughout the losing streak.

Now they’ll get to see if Trubisky provides a spark to the team and boosts his rep in his final weeks under contract to the Bears.

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Tua Tagovailoa’s status for Sunday is up the air



As of Thursday, Dolphins coach Brian Flores wasn’t concerned about quarterback Tua Tagovailoa‘s thumb injury. As of Friday, Flores seems to be.

Flores told reporters on Friday that he needs to watch the film from practice before making a decision on he question of whether Tagovailoa will play.

Tagovailoa injured the thumb in practice on Wednesday by hitting it against a helmet.

The Dolphins removed Tagovailoa from Sunday’s loss to the Broncos, for performance reasons. Flores said after the game that Tagovailoa will start this weekend.

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Teddy Bridgewater's one-week stay on the sideline is over.

Panthers coach Matt Rhule told reporters Friday Bridgewater is off the injury report and will be good to go in Week 12 against Minnesota.

Bridgewater missed Carolina's Week 11 win over Detroit with a knee injury suffered in the Panthers' 46-23 loss to Tampa Bay in Week 10.

Backup P.J. Walker started in place of Bridgewater, completing 24-of-34 passes for 258 yards, one touchdown and two interceptions in the victory over the Lions.

Bridgewater is "back to the way he was before the injury," Rhule said, per the Associated Press' Steve Reed, and will return to a team riding high after its latest win.

As for Bridgewater's key teammate, running back Christian McCaffrey, his odds of playing Sunday aren't as encouraging.

"I'm pessimistic that he'll play, but he's done enough this week to earn the right to have a chance," Rhule said of McCaffrey, via the team's assistant director of digital/broadcasting Bill Voth.


Veteran Mike Davis has carried the load in place of McCaffrey this season, rushing 111 times for 449 yards and three touchdowns. He received 19 carries last week in a contest in which the Panthers more than doubled their rushing output through the air.

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He’s a situational starter at best, but in a solid situation he can be adequate.

I wouldn’t trust him to be the Dilfer type but he can bridge a few starts and keep a team floating.

Or, maybe, ‘could’ is a better choice of framing. He may not have anything left to offer at this point.

 

I have a difficult time trusting Baker to have consistency from drive to drive, let alone game to game, so I tend to hedge my optimism for the Browns.

Without Garrett, the defense feels like a dull spear thrown from a limp wrist. It may hit its mark, but far to often it will glance without impact. Add on the Ward injury and it really feels like they could have a bad team roll up a lot of slow paced offense on them.

I like some of how they’re shifting to towards continuity but I’m less than comfortable with the idea that Mayfield is the long term answer. I could be wrong, but I think the biggest decision that franchise may have faced since their return is whether on not to extend Baker at the end of his rookie deal.

He likely will command money that will be far beyond his production.

 

I hate to even discuss this, as a known Baker apologist. However, somewhere deep down, I think you might be right. I have to say, I love the guy. I feel like he can do anything on Sundays... then it turns into another mediocre outing. I fear his ceiling is an occasional great game, 10 bland games and some stinkers thrown in for good measure. That isn’t a $30M / year guy, but the way contracts are going... I don’t envy Berry on this one.

Unless Baker gets consistently great over the next 2 1/2 seasons, it’s going to be a tough choice. One fly in the ointment, he’s not bad enough to cost them a lot of games. If the defense continues to improve they are going to be drafting in the 15-whatever range during those off seasons, so it may end up they don’t have a choice. What I don’t want is to fall back into what we have dealt with for the past 20 seasons prior to Baker, he is still the best QB in a Browns uniform since the return. Beggars can’t be choosers. I’d rather root for marked improvement year over year and pay the man when the time comes, so that’s how I choose to live life in the moment.

 

Not sure if @Lyman went fishing or not, but it definitely turned out to be a helluva lot closer of a game than most would have guessed.

 

Giants QB Daniel Jones avoids major hamstring injury, has outside shot to play vs. Seattle

The New York Giants got a modicum of positive news regarding Daniel Jones' hamstring injury.

NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported that tests on Jones' hamstring show the QB avoided major injury.

The signal-caller has an outside chance of playing in Week 13 against the Seattle Seahawks, but the team will have a better idea of his availability in the coming days, Rapoport added.

"There's actually more question marks than answers right now," coach Joe Judge told reporters. "We have to see how he moves around in a couple of days."

Jones tweaked the hamstring midway through the third quarter of Sunday's 19-17 victory over the Cincinnati Bengals. He exited after an awkward pass, with backup Colt McCoy finishing up the field-goal drive. On the Giants' next possession, Jones tried to return but looked gimpy and left again for good after just two plays.

McCoy, who started one game for Washington in 2019, would get the start if Jones indeed is not ready to go versus the Seahawks. The 34-year-old QB went 6-of-10 passing for 31 yards in relief versus the Bengals. After finishing the first drive with a field goal, the Giants scored two additional field goals on five possessions with McCoy at the helm to outdistance the two-win Bengals.

The Giants sit atop the NFC East heading into tonight's Monday Night Football game between the Eagles and Seahawks. Big Blue has a tough slate ahead with games against Seattle, Arizona, Cleveland and Baltimore on tap before finishing up with Dallas.

Hamstrings are tricky injuries to play through without tweaking, so Joe Judge's team might need McCoy to steady the ship if it is to remain in the division hunt through that difficult stretch of games.

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All three quarantined Broncos quarterbacks test negative again



The Broncos had to play a game without a quarterback on Sunday because one quarterback, Jeff Driskel, tested positive for COVID-19 and the other three quarterbacks on their roster all had to quarantine because of close contact with Driskel. But none of the three quarterbacks caught the virus from Driskel.

Mike Klis of 9 News in Denver reports that Broncos quarterbacks Drew Lock, Brett Rypien and Blake Bortles all tested negative in the latest round of testing, as they have every day, and are now cleared to return.

That means if the NFL had delayed the Broncos’ game until tonight, rather than forcing the Broncos to play with practice squad wide receiver Kendall Hinton at quarterback, the Broncos would have their quarterbacks on the field.

The Broncos are not happy with the NFL for forcing them to play under those circumstances, but the quarterbacks themselves bear plenty of blame, as they were together in a meeting room without masks, in violation of the NFL’s COVID-19 protocols.

Lock is expected to start at quarterback for the Broncos on Sunday night against the Chiefs.

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