MONDAY MORNING QUARTERBACK

Jeanqev were you really really high when you wrote that?

I can think of a few others off the top of my head, all of which i'd consider more important than your reason btw.

Maybe so you can see what you actually have LOL! It wasnt predestined for Joe Burrow to be an instant success at NFL level you know, same as with any other player.

Maybe so that you dont create a massively disgruntled young player who will def want to play and who wont be purely cos of you. Same player you kind of need buy in from since you're about to try and build your entire team around him for at least the next decade.

Oh and one more, DEVELOPMENT!

You understand its called "voluntary opt out". The team can't tell him he's opting out lol. "High risk" opt outs need to have a serious medical condition to qualify.

"Yeah Joe we know how much you love the game and how excited you are about starting your NFL career but your gonna have to sit out the entire year now. Oh and that 24 million dollars you were going to make this year? Its going to be $150k now."



#putdowntheblunt

 

EXACTLY!

There were multiple ways they could've gone in FA depending on whether they wanted short term established vet or longer investment in younger talent. They had the cap room for either approach. Conklin, Bulaga, Warford, Halapalaapouvititi.

Even if we said they stood pat with the Tee Higgins pick, there were a load of OL options open to the Bungles at the top of the 3rd round. Guys who are already starting and doing well.

This wasnt just one freak hit and he's gone. Burrow has taken a beating from week 1 all season long, if it wasn't that play it could just as easily have been the next. The Bungles could and should have given him better protection and they failed.

As you say, young QBs processing slower is a known entity. Can't really blame them for it, its part of the learning curve. What you've highlighted is merely another reason why you protect him better.

 

Totally right.

I wasn't really talking about the Bengals specifically. I hear people make the comment all the time that you have to have pieces in place first before you select your QB. And it's odd to me because, typically but not always, the teams in position to take QBs within the first few picks of the draft don't have pieces in place. But you're not gonna pass up these QBs.

 

It's certainly not my intention to berate or undervalue Burrow because he was doing great and I think his upward trend will continue.

It's just with a subpar defense and Mixon out, I don't really see more than 2 victories at best.

Still, my point was that their victory outlook may not change but they won't be bad enough to go for Trevor Lawrence, which they shouldn't do anyway.

 

I agree with you that it's paradoxical, as you illustrated earlier. And I absolutely think you need to grab your QB whenever you're in a position to do so. But I think the landscape has changed - 20 years ago, there wasn't a need for a first year QB to start and succeed. Now, it's expected. So now you have to put that kid into a situation that's as favorable to him as possible. If I'm drafting in the top 5 and I think I've got my franchise QB, I'm using every asset possible to get him help NOW.

Spend in free agency, trade away your picks this year and next... Let's say you sign a RT in free agency, trade your early 2nd pick for an OG, add some complementary weapons via any combination of FA, trade, and draft... that's not a hard commitment for a bad team to make and still gives their young QB a better base to work off of.

But just throwing the kid in front of a firing squad and planning on getting more talent later can be disastrous. As Ev said, Burrow could've gotten hurt on any play, but you increase the odds when he's getting hit so often.

 

There are reasons why some teams will continue to draft in the top 10 year after year. They can't spot talent well enough and when they do...they don't know how to treat it.

 

Very fair. I just hope Burrow doesn't permanently suffer from it.

 

No I was not high. Thank you for participating your consolation prizes will be in the mail.

 

Bruce Arians: Bucs’ offense comes down to whether “quarterback plays well or not”



The season-long dance of the awkward continues between Buccaneers coach Bruce Arians and Buccaneers quarterback Tom Brady.

The Bucs have won seven games and they have lost four. When they lose, Arians has no qualms about placing blame on Brady, if need be. On Tuesday night, Arians painted with a broader brush.

“[O]ffensively, it’s just a matter of each and every week if the quarterback plays well or not,” Arians said on his weekly radio show, via JoeBucsFan.com. “And our job is to make sure he’s comfortable and let him play well.”

In the same show, Arians said the pass blocking against the Rams was “really, really good.” Arians also reiterated that the interception from Brady that sealed the defeat late in the fourth quarter “was just a poor decision,” that Brady “did not read the coverage properly and threw a poor ball.”

Although Arians has at times made it clear that Brady still needs time and continuity to become fully comfortable in the offense, that sense doesn’t become obvious in sound bites that come off as dumping blame on Brady. At a time when it’s believed that the Buccaneers’ primary objective for the rest of this year is to ensure that Brady will be back for another one (one in which all tickets hopefully will be available for sale), Arians either didn’t get the memo — or he’s not fully on board with the idea.

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I guess Arians job is to keep shooting down Brady... seems like Arians is a work in futility when it comes to building confidence in a QB. Maybe, just maybe, Arians should coach instead of bitch and call plays or have plays that play into Brady's strengths. Sure Tom makes plenty of mistakes, but for Arians to air it out publicly is stupid.

 

Report: Bengals plan to start Brandon Allen at QB



The Bengals turned to Ryan Finley at quarterback when Joe Burrow suffered a season-ending knee injury against Washington last Sunday, but they are not expected to give him the start against the Giants in Week 12.

Mike Garafolo of NFL Media reports that the team plans to start Brandon Allen. Allen was promoted from the practice squad when Burrow went on injured reserve on Monday.

Allen started three games for the Broncos last season and went 39-of-84 for 515 yards, two touchdowns, and three interceptions. Those are the only regular season appearances he’s made since entering the league as a Jaguars sixth-round pick in 2016. He also spent time with the Rams while Bengals head coach Zac Taylor was on their staff.

Finley was 3-of-10 for 30 yards after replacing Burrow last week, although the passing game was a net negative since the team lost 31 yards on four sacks. He started three games for the Bengals last season, but it would appear Taylor and company have seen enough of the 2019 fourth-rounder for the time being.

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No, Arians is totally in the right here. Brady comes in with a huge contract, making all sorts of personnel and scheme demands, and yelling at anyone and everyone he perceives as doing less good of a job than himself. ... Then he doesn't play very well. There's no kid gloves with him - just a coach telling it like it is.

And remember, we're talking about Tom Brady - he is fully capable of making whatever adjustments he wants to at the line of scrimmage. Arians calls in a play he doesn't like? Brady didn't come here to be on a leash; he changes the play to whatever suits him. This is not a case of "poor Tom Brady".

 

I agree its not a case of "poor Tom Brady"... my opinion was that its a case of Arians airing it out to the media. It just seems 'awkward' for the coach or any coach to publicly whine about his QB... Just seems counter-productive to me.

 

Tom publicly accosts anyone who he feels isn't doing their job up to his standard - in front of national cameras in real time, not in some post-game presser that people might read about. He yells, rants, acts like an upset 5 year old.

Arians isn't "whining", he's calling out his child of a quarterback. That's his job - to get the best out of his players. And if he didn't say anything publicly, tried to defend Tom, etc, at some point you'd have the other guys on the team feeling awfully upset at how Tom gets babied, but then gets to yell at them whenever he pleases... And don't act like Brady doesn't call people out in pressers, either. He usually does it with some underhanded, passive-aggressive comments and a wink and smile so everyone gets the point, without having to say a name explicitly, but he's still doing it. To me, that's a whole lot worse.

 

Ok... Brady and Arians both have some issues, at least I think Arians is partly to blame for the riff going on. Quite frankly, I think its comical in a sense... One thing they better do is find some common ground and work with each other. Im of the belief you let the music do the talking...

 

Mike Glennon to start for Jaguars



The Jaguars are turning to their third starting quarterback of the season.

Mike Glennon will start for the Jaguars on Sunday against the Browns on Sunday, coach Doug Marrone announced today.

Marrone said that he appreciated the work Jake Luton has done as the starter the last three weeks, but feels it’s time to try to turn things around after the Jaguars lost all three games. Marrone also said Gardner Minshew‘s thumb injury is healing and he may be available as Glennon’s backup, but Marrone wants Minshew to have a full week of practice before his next start.

So that means Glennon, who hasn’t played at all this year and last started in 2017 for the Bears, will get the call.

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Lot of us on this very board said some and brucewould not be a good match because of styles and systems.

 

Browns 149 Jaguars 3

 

You think Glennon gets them in field goal range? I just don't see it.

 

I was thinking one random good punt return.

 

Just to irritate the both of you...

Glennon never posted a negative TD/INT ratio for a season as a starter until he became a Bear.

The opening line for this game was CLE -6 and has only shifted .5 against JAC since the announced change at passer.

This game is probably going to be an uncomfortable one for the Browns faithful.