MONDAY MORNING QUARTERBACK

Holy-what-in-the-flying-fuck-is-this?

@xinik ?

 

It was an eye catching report that Yahoo Sports put up and then took it down, I was shocked when I seen it and the report looked to be brand new and incomplete, so I went to GIANTS WIRE just a moment ago and found this...

More recently, a handful of NFL executives expressed their belief that Jones would land a deal with a floor of $35 million annually.

Those anonymous executives appear to be correct.

Jordan Raanan of ESPN reports that the Giants and Jones are expected to come to an agreement on a long-term contract that will, in fact, pay him an average of just over $35 million annually.

The expectation is Jones’ new contract will come in at over $35 million per season, according to multiple sources in and around the team and the quarterback.

A contract of that size would put Jones in the top 10 among quarterbacks league-wide. However, the market will likely be reset a year from now, leaving Jones in the middle of the pack.

Anything slightly over $35 million per season would rank Jones’ contract ninth among all quarterbacks. By the time next season comes around, however, Jones will likely be closer to the top 15, assuming Justin Herbert, Jalen Hurts and Joe Burrow — and Lamar Jackson, if he doesn’t get tagged — get new deals.

A deal is likely to get done before the start of the new league year on March 15.
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So, Im not real sure whats going on at the moment, but it looks like a possible huge pay-day is looming for Jones.

 

PS - Its back up on Yahoo Sports and just says what I posted from Giants Wire.

 

I... I don't think I like that move. lol

 

Woah....

Tyler Huntley is a Pro Bowler, what is HIS new contract going to be worth {sarcasm font on full force}

 

Awesome job tracking this, Willie.

 

Derek Carr set to visit Jets this weekend

Quarterback Derek Carr officially became a free agent this week and he’s set to meet with a possible suitor this weekend.

Mike Garafolo of NFL Media reports that Carr will visit with the Jets. He met with the Saints before being released by the Raiders this week ahead of $40.4 million of his compensation becoming guaranteed.


Jets owner Woody Johnson has made no secret about his willingness to spend on a veteran quarterback this offseason. Aaron Rodgers could wind up at the top of that wishlist, but everyone remains in the dark about his plans and Carr is the only player in that category who is available to sign right now.

The Jets hired Todd Downing as their passing game coordinator this week. Downing was the Raiders’ quarterbacks coach and offensive coordinator early in Carr’s career.

Carr could have interest from other clubs as well and he’ll have a few more weeks to talk to teams before free agency gets underway.

PFT

 

LOL!!!

Report: Packers are “disgusted with” Aaron Rodgers, they’re “done with him”



When Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers becomes the Prince of (Four Days of) Darkness, there’s apparently one less decision for him to make.

Bob McGinn, who has covered the Packers for decades, said in a podcast with Tyler Dunne of GoLongTD.com that the team is ready to move on from Rodgers.

“They are done with Rodgers,” McGinn said, citing his own instincts, his knowledge of the league, and “discussions with someone who [has] first-hand knowledge” of the Packers. “He’s not coming back. I mean, they’re disgusted with him, and they’re done with him. And they’re moving on.”

McGinn added that he’s “totally convinced” Rodgers won’t be back as the starter.

Boosting the belief that Rodgers will be gone, as McGinn explained it, is that the team fully believes in Jordan Love, and that the team is ready to turn the page after trading up and making Love a first-round pick in 2020.

McGinn predicts that, if Rodgers does insist on returning, he’ll be the backup to Love.

And it’s not just one person. McGinn said the entire power structure is done with Rodgers: CEO Mark Murphy, G.M. Brian Gutekunst, and coach Matt LaFleur. They think he’s not working hard anymore. They think he showed up for 2022 not in the best possible shape, and that he blew off the offseason program.

It’s a strong statement, and a compelling take. It also sets the stage for an awkward parting, with a trade inevitable — if McGinn’s report is accurate.

The situation should make it harder for the Packers to dictate terms. They reportedly want to send him to an AFC team, like they did with Brett Favre 15 years ago. Ultimately, they may have to trade him to the one team he’d want to play for, even if it’s an NFC team.

However it goes, it could indeed be that Rodgers is going. Last year, he considered walking away and decided to stay. This year, the Packers are ready to tell him to get gone.

PFT
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Could be a nut job report, because its from Green Bay, but dammmm, if this is true, Im well pleased!

 

John Schneider: Seahawks have had “good talks so far” with Geno Smith, “we’re in it”



The clock is ticking toward a couple of key deadlines for the Seahawks and quarterback Geno Smith. Seattle G.M. John Schneider nevertheless believes that the Seahawks remain firmly in the running to bring back the 2022 NFL comeback player of the year.

“Good talks so far,” Schneider recently said in an appearance on Seattle Sports 710, via NFL.com. “We’re in it. We’re just trying to figure out what’s best, and we’ll do what’s right.”


Schneider downplayed the notion that there is, or at least should be, urgency to get something done.

“[F]ree agency doesn’t start until the middle of March so there’s a huge period here where we have time to work through things,” Schneider said.

He’s right, but the tampering starts before that, reaching full boil at the upcoming Scouting Combine. And the window for applying the franchise tag opens in three days before closing on March 7.

The Seahawks may have to worry about the Buccaneers getting involved, now that Seahawks quarterbacks coach Dave Canales has become the new offensive coordinator in Tampa.

“Obviously, Dave has a great relationship with Drew and Geno,” Schneider said. “Shoot, he did a great job working with Geno [and] staying after practice with Drew [Lock]. Those guys would work their tails off for a good hour, hour and a half after practice. They’d be out there in the dark throwing the ball, working on footwork and ball carriage and everything.”

Complicating any effort by the Bucs to pay significant money for a veteran quarterback is the fact that the team is due to carry $35.1 million in dead money for Tom Brady.

Smith’s market is unclear, given that so many veteran quarterbacks will be available in the coming cycle. The Seahawks could squat on Smith’s rights by applying the franchise tag, at a cost of $32.416 million for a one-year deal.

Given that the market at the position now sits at $50 million per year and likely will go up, especially since the salary cap keeps climbing, $32.416 million isn’t a bad deal for one more year with Smith. It gives Seattle one more year to ensure that Smith’s 2022 performance wasn’t a fluke.

From Smith’s perspective, it’s a hell of a pay day for a guy who was written off.

PFT

 

Not saying it's the right move but it isn't surprising. All the starting QBs are overpaid - except Mahomes and Allen.

 

The move would be to tag him (overpay), then let him try to duplicate and improve upon his 2022.

They’re going with a 4 year deal at that number.

It’s borderline franchise malfeasance.

 

Makes me wonder what the likes of, Jalen Hurts, Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert, Tua Tagovailoa are going to ask for, throw in a Lamar Jackson also... seems like the whole thing is getting really crazy.

 

Wow I'm not a Green Bay Packers fan but if true sounds like they had enough of the Aaron Rodgers Drama Queen Bullshit

 

More on my line of thinking with Daniel Jones:

This is a quarterback, as a passer, that only threw for 3200 yards and 15 TDs last season. That's 9 less TDs than his rookie season and only 200 yards more. I understand the uptick in rushing totals with 7 TDs on the year, but he still has to throw the fucking ball to win games.

The contract needs to be extremely team friendly with an easy out on the cap, or else Daboll is going to be married to whatever Daniel is for the next 4 years. That doesn't get them out of what will likely be a shorter window for Hurts and the Eagles, that doesn't make them favorites against the Cowboys and if the Commanders can improve quickly the Giants will have a $35mil dollar pass deficient passer running the offense of a sub-500. team. Unless the line of thinking is that having Jones for the next 4 years is a buffer while we continue rebuilding, in which case I still hate the move because it shows no willingness to move on and work towards the future with some immediacy.

This is a team with 7 wins in their first 9 games, 2 wins in their last 8 (not counting the playoffs). The 2022 schedule shows exactly who they really are. They're still in need of a lot on the roster and to think they can replicate 9 wins going into 2023 is a lot of fool's gold, IMO.

Put the non-exclusive tag on Jones. If someone is willing to make an offer that gets you draft compensation, let him walk. If not, you have him for one season at roughly $32.5mil. It makes no sense to marry yourself to a passer that has proven to be questionable at best through the air for 4 years when you can tag him at a reasonable price and let him walk for a solid return if someone else is willing to take him off your hands.

It feels like the Giants have all of the leverage here and they are simply rolling over out of fear of the unknown.

 

Totally agree and Im also concerned about the report on the contract figures from a 'whats his name from espn'... Its been awful quiet since that was reported.

The apparent reasoning behind the lucrative potential contract was because of the Giants making the playoffs and beating the Vikings in round 1... my thought is so what, its an expanded playoff scenario to begin with and my mom, bless her, could put up numbers against the Vikings defense also. It really makes no sense to pay him that kinda moola and invest in him as the future at that rate.

To me, Jones is average at best based on production and numbers, apparently, if the report holds true, the Giants must think he's going to get better because of a crystal ball conjecture type thing and that doesnt sound like sound logic to me. more like wishful thinking.

I like your analyses of the non-exclusive tender and lets see what he's got. One more season is whats needed to make a decisive decision on whether he's the future. If he knocks them dead, pay the man, but not right now. Youd think the GM and owner would know this and their 'mums the word', non-responsive position is another red flag. I like Jones personally as a starting QB, he shows signs of good potential, but not the 35 million dollar man type.

Where is @xinik when you need him.

 

There's going to be an influx of cash for the salary cap over the next couple of years as the online money starts rolling in (likely another reason why the Giants are willing to spend stupidly).

If I'm Hurts, I'm not doing the team friendly kind of deal that Mahomes did. I'm taking every single penny I can possibly get because the sustainability of his game play should not be viewed with high confidence, IMO.

Burrow and Herbert should both consider going the Mahomes route with their deals. Leave some cash on the table to let the team get you talent to succeed with.

Tua should take every possible dime he can get. The concussion history lends itself to him being on a short career trajectory.

 

What will happen with Lamar Jackson’s contract?



In two days, the two-week window for application of the franchise tag opens. By the time the clock strikes 4:00 p.m. ET on March 7, the Ravens will either have a long-term deal in place with quarterback Lamar Jackson, or the Ravens will apply the franchise tag.

The only other option would be to let him become an unrestricted free agent, or to use the transition tag. The first of those is impossible, the second is pretty close to that.


Barring a dramatic change in position by the team or the player, a long-term deal isn’t happening. Jackson wants a five-year, fully-guaranteed contract, like the one that the Browns gave to Deshaun Watson. The Ravens don’t want to give Jackson a five-year, fully-guaranteed contract.

So what will happen? Our guess is that the Ravens and Jackson won’t work out a long-term deal before the tag window closes. The question then becomes whether the Ravens will apply the exclusive or non-exclusive version of the tag.

The exclusive version means he wouldn’t be able to negotiate with other teams. He’d play for the Ravens or no one. His franchise tender would be based on the average of the five highest quarterback cap numbers for 2023, determined as of a week or so before the draft.

Currently, that’s $45.4 million. But restructurings between now and April will surely change things, dropping the number lower.

The non-exclusive version of the franchise tag, which would result in a tender of $32.4 million, would give Jackson the ability to talk to other teams that have first-round picks in the next two drafts available. (Jackson, for example, couldn’t contact the Dolphins or the Saints until after the 2023 draft ends, since neither has their original first-round picks.)

If the Ravens opt for the non-exclusive franchise tag, Jackson would then have the ability to seek the five-year, fully-guaranteed contract that he wants from another team that has its original 2023 first-round pick: Falcons, Panthers, Jets, Titans, Seahawks, Commanders (if they change their minds about not wanting a veteran quarterback, or if they simply say they never dreamed the Ravens would use non-exclusive tag on Jackson), whoever.

Given that Jackson doesn’t have an agent (as we’ve said time and again, he needs one), how would it even happen? Would he call the teams? Would the teams reach out to him? (Five years ago, in the weeks preceding the draft, interested teams reportedly had a hard time connecting with him.)

Would there be any actual negotiation, or would he just wait for someone to drop the Deshaun Watson deal into his lap?

That’s where a good agent could make a big difference. The agent can explain to Jackson how and why Watson worked the system to get a five-year, fully-guaranteed contract despite more than 20 pending civil lawsuits, and that these offers just don’t materialize from thin air.

What if the blowback the Browns experienced last year keeps another team from offering Jackson a five-year, fully-guaranteed deal? Yes, it takes only one team to do it. Will any team do it?

A trade could be the end result, for something less than two first-round picks — especially if it’s the Falcons (with the eighth overall pick) or the Panthers (with the ninth) that try to get Jackson. In lieu of waiting for someone who drafts lower in round one signing Jackson to an offer sheet (or having him sign an offer sheet the 2023 draft, putting 2024 and 2025 first-round picks in play), the Ravens could accept a top-10 pick and maybe a second-rounder or a third-rounder in 2023, or perhaps a conditional pick in 2024 based on Jackson’s playing time in 2023.

Our current guess is that, unless the exclusive franchise tender dips below $40 million, the Ravens will be inclined to go the non-exclusive route. That would give them the ability to match any offer sheet Jackson signs, to take a pair of first-round picks if they choose not to match, or to otherwise work out a trade.

And if no one will give Jackson the five-year, fully-guaranteed contract he wants, he’ll have to decide whether to play for the Ravens on a one-year tender and do it all over again in 2024, or to accept the best offer the Ravens will make on a long-term deal.

Yes, it would all go a lot more smoothly if Jackson had an agent. Frankly, if he had an agent, he would have likely signed a long-term deal before the 2022 season even began.

PFT
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Ive said all along, Jackson needed an agent, but he's going to do it his way... all by himself.

 

ESPN's Jordan Raanan confirms the "expectation" is that impending free agent Daniel Jones will average more than $35 million per season under his new contract.

It is not breaking news, though it is now a trend. No fewer than three reports have pegged Jones earning at least $35 million per season, and perhaps as much as $40 million. That's due in part to the fact that the franchise tag for quarterbacks is a cool $32.4 million. Raanan reports the tag is the Giants' "backup option," as they don't want that entire salary on the books for the upcoming year. It's far too much money to be paying Daniel Jones per season, but the Giants seem to want to compete now after looking ahead of schedule with first-year head coach Brian Daboll in 2022.

 

Agent change points to franchise tag for Daniel Jones



PFT has confirmed that Giants quarterback Daniel Jones has indeed switched agents, from CAA to Athletes First.

Per a source with knowledge of the situation, the NFL’s in-house database lists Athletes First as the representatives for Jones.


The NFL Players Association currently shows that Jones has no agent. That could be updated as soon as Monday.

Typically, a player who terminates his representation must wait five days before signing with a new firm. CAA, we’re told, waived the five-day period as to Jones.

So what does Jones want? There are two possibilities. One, he’s willing to do a deal for less than CAA was willing to accept. Two, he wants more than CAA was able to get.

As one source explained it, it’s the latter. Jones wants more than the Giants have offered. Possibly as much as $45 million per year, or more.

The Giants could respond by simply applying the franchise tag to Jones. The non-exclusive level would cost them $32.416 million, and it would allow him to try to sign with another team — if that team is willing to give up a pair of first-round picks to get him.

This all would have been avoided if the Giants had exercised the fifth-year option on Jones. They didn’t do it, which amounted to a calculated risk that he’d have a solid year and they’d have to sign him or tag him.

The window for applying the tag opens in two days. The Giants then will have two weeks to do it. At this point, that’s what the Giants are likely to do.

Unless someone else is willing to give him what he wants and give the Giants a pair of first-round picks, he’ll make $32.416 million in 2023 — and he’d be in line for a 20-percent raise ($38.89 million) for 2024. That’s $71.31 million over two years, with Jones then in line to potentially become an unrestricted free agent in 2025, unless the Giants would be willing to give him a 44-percent bump to $56 million for 2025.

Even if they do that, the total investment will be $127.32 million over three years, for a total average of $42.4 million. With the ability to pivot elsewhere if his performance in 2022 ends up being the exception and not the rule.

So if Jones wants a long-term commitment worth $42.4 million or more, why not go year to year under the tag? At least for one year, that’s likely what the Giants will do.

PFT

 

If Jones gets a bazillion dollar contract, what happens to Saquon Barkley?