Looking Forward to the 2021 AFC North

It must be hard to be a Pitt fan right now. Everyone is talking Browns / Ravens for the title, and the Big Ben train is making it's final stops on the way out.

They are a franchise with a proud history, not least of all taking the crown just last year. Is everyone mis reading these tea leaves?


I don't know, but I'm a very excited Browns fan.... and maybe for the first time in 40 years, I can believe!

Watching my Browns come on as Baker learned to master his 4th offense in 3 years, I saw the light come on, and can't wait to see if Steph and the boys can pick up where they left off.

Worries:
#1 we won't get 4 gimmee games from the NFC North this year.
#2 while I believe, our division isn't a walk in the park
#3 Will Garrett have the wind, after COVID
#4 Can Ward stay healthy
#5 Will OBJ be OBJ, or some lesser version
#6 Can our "all new" D bottle up Lamar

I'm feeling good, but 40 years of futility, leaves scars, and those scars leave me worrying. What gives me comfort is I truly believe Stephanski is the guy.

 

Has anyone else had issues with the site while on the phone intermittently going out? Try to post or even change to a different storing and the screen just goes white, won’t do anything.

 

Hostgator switched up my cloud connect sometime Friday afternoon.

Things should be normal again by the end of the day.

 

Meh, SAS was also captain of the "Quinn to win" ship. However, I think it's more interesting how he's adamant on calling Lamar a RB, meanwhile Jackson has a higher CAREER completion percentage, higher career yards per attempt average, higher career TD %, LOWER career INT %, higher career QBR, and high career PASSER rating than Mayfield........all with far less offensive weapons.

Either he struggles hard with the concept of a dual threat QB..........or he must secretly think Baker is trash to have a "RB" doing better at the QB position.

 

lol! That's a lot of percentages, which can be a bit deceiving....

In the 46 contests in his career, Mayfield has connected on 932 of his 1,506 attempts for 11,115 yards. He averages 241.6 yds per game through the air.

In the 46 contests in his career, Jackson has connected on 606 of 947 tries for a total of 7,085 yds. He averages 154.0 passing yards per game.

One guy survives by his arm, and the other by his legs. I'm pretty sure this is what SAS is referencing when he calls Lamar a RB. At the end of the day, there is a reason why F/A receivers don't want to come to Baltimore and play with Lamar. So all those little percentages that you lined up in comparing him to Baker Mayfield don't mean a hill of beans. I like Lamar Jackson. He does things his way and it's fun to watch. He applies pressure to the defense in a different way, and get's results in the way of victories, but comparing Jackson's passing game to Mayfield's, and claiming he comes out on top, is comical.

 

Hmmm. Did those numbers upset you? I use percentages because cumulative numbers only show that one guy threw more. For example, you're touting total yards....ok. in 2019, Jameis Winston had the most total passing yards in the league. He was also, IIRC, #2 or #3 in total passing TDs. Using your logic, that means you think he was great, if not the best QB in 2019 right?

For the record, I haven't said anything disparaging towards Baker. Just given factual stats and info. That said, see the end of that post about SAS not understanding the concept of a dual threat QB. You're pretty much doing the same thing. I haven't done it yet, but if you want total numbers, compare their total yards and total TDs as starters and we can see who does more overall.

I also see that you're counting the games Lamar wasn't even a starter and coming in for 1-2 plays a game, but you knew that would drop his totals even more so I get why you did it .

Edited for spelling

 

Not in the least.

Your example is so absurd it doesn't deserve a response, but since I'm bored...I'm touting production throwing the football. You realize we won 12 games last year, and almost knocked off the mighty Chiefs in the playoffs, right? WTH has Winston ever done, besides turn the ball over more than anyone QB ever?

I complemented your QB and said he gets results (W's) in different ways, and it's fun to watch....If you can't except that, sorry. He's nowhere near the passer that Mayfield is. Plain and simple.

lol! That's ridiculous. Both players have been in NFL same amount of time.. Geez. Trust me, I didn't care enough about this to research anything other than career production since both players entered the league at the same time....and FTR, don't forget, Hue had Baker on the bench behind the great Tyrod Taylor to start out his career.

 

You must only read what you want to read....The main thing I judge a QB by is, does he win?

How many times do I have to say that Lamar get's the results (W's) in different ways?

 

I fully agree it's absurd, but it was your criteria right? Jameis Winston survived by his arm. Did that make him good? My comment was that it's funny SAS would call Lamar a "RB" when he has better passing statistics. You brought up that Baker passes more and idk what it was meant to accomplish, hence I asked a question using that criteria you introduced to see if you thought that meant they were good. You apparently don't so I really don't get the point of bringing up volume now.

Again, higher completion %, higher yards per attempt, more likely to throw a TD, less likely to throw an INT, far more efficient when throwijg the ball (passer rating) all with vastly worse talent at the WR position.. Lol I fully agree that they aren't on the same level.

Hmm. So to defend your QB as a passer, you only looked up total passing yards for both players and total game appearances. Didn't even see if the numbers I gave were accurate? Or maybe you found the one area your QB was better and chances are this will be the only time you compare two QBs by just total passing yards.

 

Have I argued this? You came into this with a post about passing yards. Clearlynif I didn't respond to something then I agreed with it. I didn't think who wins more was worth discussing.

 

Where is this going?...Obviously, you've got a burr up your ass about something, and now it's turned into an agenda to twist everything I say into your own weird interpretation... Lamar is actually one of my favorite QB's. Too bad he plays for Baltimore....Regardless of how you try to spin this, the football world knows that LJ is no gunslinger. Sorry to break it to ya...He's still a good player though.

 

sound familiar;
After latest failure to sign a WR, are the Ravens in trouble?
The Baltimore Ravens swung and missed yet again this offseason. For at least the second time, Baltimore made a compelling offer to a free-agent wide receiver and was turned down. First, it was JuJu Smith-Schuster and this time it’s T.Y. Hilton. If you’re a Ravens fan, it’s enough to make you go nutty.


there is a reason.

 

Lol you post this and talk about twisting arguments. Incredible. Where have I said Lamar is a gunslinger? Where have I ever cared if he was classified as such or not? I maintain what my first post said. Lamar's career passing statistics are all better than Mayfield's. There's no real debate there. At all. Mayfield does throw more so hurray for that I guess. Amazing how hard it is for you to stay on topic for something you jumped into

 

Lol you know we signed free agent Sammy Watkins right?
And I know you don't like research, if you did you'd know that 1, I agree there's a reason. 2, it isn't Lamar. WRs that have left have nothing but love for Lamar but hate the scheme. Former WRs and QBs have all gone on record to say Roman's passing schemes are some of the worst they've seen (Kurt Warner has a whole video on it. Steve Smith and Brandon Marshall have discussed it a lot). If you actually did research you'd know, but you admittedly don't.

For someone that likes Lamar so much, you sure are quick to regurgitate bs claims that have already been proven wrong. Actually, you didn't mind researching for that article. So maybe it's only some research you hate

 

Lamar Jackson’s passing percentages get blown up when he plays against defenses that can’t stop him from destroying them with the running game. Then his WRs are wide open and he still makes them work hard to catch a pass half the time. When he plays good defenses he turns the ball over more and doesn’t have as good percentages because his WRs aren’t wide open.

 

I'm not sure why you being such a douchebag, but I'm sorry you don't like your OC's scheme. Anyone with a brain would realize that was intentional due to the limitations in Lamar Jackson's arm talent. But if you want to keep pretending that you guys have a fast version of Johnny Unitas, have at it.....

Are ya just having a bad day, or are you frustrated that the Browns have surpassed your Ravens in the eyes of the majority, as the team best equipped to knock off KC in the AFC?

FTR: Nobody else wanted Watkins, congrats on finding one guy willing to except the overpriced offer the Ravens had to throw at him..

 

I appreciate this comment, Gidion, because it's an example of people making up things, or repeating what they heard, with zero knowledge of if it's true. Lamar gets that a lot. Let's see how he's done against "good defenses" just from a passing perspective only. I'm skipping the 7 games in 2018 because he wasn't passing much due to scheme. Let's see if he turned the ball over a lot or sucked passing.

2019
#1 defense - 74%, 1 TD, 0 INTs
#2 defense - 61%, 1 TD, 0 INTs
#3 defense - 64%, 3 TDs, 1 INT
#5 defense - 68%, 1 TD, 3 INTs (Steelers)
#7 defense - 65%, 5 TDs, 0 INs
#13 defense - 75%, 5 TDs, 0 INTs

Against top 15 defenses, that's 15 TDs and 4 INTs. He has good percentages in every single game against a top defense, so you were wrong (not surprising). He has 1 game with a bunch of turnovers, which was against Pittsburgh.

2020
#2 defense - 67%, 2 TDs, 1 INT
#3 defense - 46%, 2 TDs, 2 INTs (Steelers)
#8 defense - 86%, 0 TDs, 0 INTs
#12 defense - 65%, 2 TDs, 0 INTs
#15 defense - 71%, 2 TDs, 1 INT

Against top 15 defenses here that's a little worse with 8 TDs, and 4 INTs. His bad game here is against the Steelers again. So overall, you were wrong with your statement (which is normal for you). Lamar has been bad against the Steelers though. Outside of the Pittsburgh games, in 9 games against top 15 defenses the last two years, he has, 20 TDs, 3 INTs, and something around 68% in completions. Try another narrative. I have time today

 

Thus far, I've committed 0 name calling towards you and haven't attacked any Browns player. So I'm apparently being a "douchebag" for pointing out that Lamar has been a better passer than Mayfield, with less talent to throw to, and that using cumultive passing stats to rate people is misguided. Funny how that works. I am now going to attack your comprehension ability though. Where did you see my comment my opinions on my OCs scheme? Is reading that hard? Is this why you don't like research? I pointed out what actual current and former NFL WRs and QBs have said(you know, the guys that know more about passing then keyboard warriors like yourself). And you know what, you're so right. Lamar's abilities are why Greg Roman is running the same schemes he's been running his entire career as a coach. Every passing attack Roman has ever had was bottom 10, but that's becasue of Lamar including the ones from before Lamar was his QB. Again, a little research would help you a lot. But I guess it's too hard.

lol you came with insults, talking about what's up someone's ass, and argued tons of things I never said, but I'm having the bad day? Projection is real I guess. For the record, I don't really care who people think have surpassed who. Cleveland was the uninamous pick for 2019 divisional champs too, one guy had y'all going undefeated.......

Now noboy else wanted him. Amazing. And when JuJu shot down KC to return to Pittsburgh, that's because he didn't want to play with that terrible QB in KC either huh? I'm sure your reasoning for this will change too. Goal post always move when bs is called out.

Again, I have time today