Looking forward to 2019, Browns NFL Rookie Draft

In fairness....things stay stupid here....it just doesn't get pointed out regularly.

 

Yeah, and it's my fault for thinking any one stupid thing was more worth pointing to than another.

TopDawg, you seem to agree with me. It's good of you to admit your original statement was pretty silly. I appreciate it, and am glad we can be rational, mature adults. What's with the name calling, then?

 

(sigh).... uncanny comprehension skills exhibited once again.

 

I mean, you seem to be saying that all I'm doing is stating the obvious, and all I'm doing is telling you that your original assertion is silly, so... Unless you've got something constructive to add; anything remotely constructive at all, please. It would be a welcome change.

 

You know what, no. I'm not gonna do this. You're immature, but I sure as shit don't have to be. Say what you will - enjoy yourself. Apologies for the interruption, everyone else - I shouldn't have tried, or continued the nonsense once it started. Peace.

 

hallelujah. From the beginning there was never a point to this...

When I mentioned Mayfield/Isabella and Brady/Edelman, nobody took it to mean play for play and exact offenses except you...Lyman mentioned right away another comp in Brian Brennan, an undersized over achiever from the mid 80's Browns that had a knack for getting open and producing....Geezus. I honestly don't know what your problem is, but this is not at all unlike when you went berzerk on me a while back for daring to say that Mayfield could win an accuracy contest...lol!
You just take things and run with it in your own weird way...I don't know how else to put it. Andy Isabella gets compared to Julian Edelman all the time. Geezus, just google 'Andy Isabella comps" if you don't believe me. Julian Edelman is the first name that pops up. There's plenty of articles making the comparison. It's not fair to Isabella, but it is what it is.... If anything, what sets them apart is that Isabella will likely be drafted much earlier than the 7th round.

 

https://www.news-herald.com/sports/...cle_98889b14-23d0-11e9-98cf-5f5d6985cf2e.html

There ya go. Save ya the effort.

 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft...rime-example-of-slot-receivers-growing-value/

 

Probably about 15% of the time he will fall to #17 in the mocks, but in reality I think we'll have to trade up if we want Rashan Gary. He was the #1 H.S. recruit in the country in 2016....

 

Christian Wilkins
6'4"/300
This is another 5 star guy...Probably doubtful he gets to #17, but I gotta believe we'd be very interested if he does.

 

I know this is the Browns thread..but I am curious on everyone's thoughts on Edelman. Is he able to get open because its just one hell of a scheme for the O or does he just see the field that good and adjust (perhaps because he was a QB), or a combination of both?

 

I can't explain how he does it, but he does. If I were guessing, I think it's a combination of both. I think he and Brady are so in sync that they both see the defensive alignment and just know when and where. That's a product of two guys being on the field together for 10 seasons. His first 4 years, he didn't do shit...then things started clicking and they have worked well together ever since, if he didn't fight annoying injuries his entire career, you'd probably be hearing his name as a HOF candidate.

 

Edelman gets open because he's one of the best route runners there is plus the Patriots know exactly how to use him and his strengths to get him open. Scheme is a large part of it.....the other part is being dedicated to your craft and working your ass off every single day to improve.

 

Just MHO, The Patriots scheme requires ALL of their receivers (along with Tom Brady) to see the field and make the appropriate adjustments. More often than not - both Edelman AND Brady see the same thing and make the same adjustment.

 

The Patriots use stacked formations with their receivers better than any team in the game and very few teams know how to defend it properly.

Also...watch Edelman and any Pats receiver after they catch the ball. They always have their feet moving forward to get any extra possible yards. We are in an era of football where a lot of players will run side to side or backwards in order to try to go forward. Edelman and guys like him will pick up a lot of extra yards that don't look like much because they are only concerned with running straight ahead.

 

No question about it...It's special when you have a combo like that. And the fact that Edelman is a former QB doesn't hurt. Those guys are definitely on the same page.

 

I really can see this being another one of those years where the Browns walk away from Day 1 with two players...With picks #49 and #80, we have the perfect ammo to move back up into the first round if we chose, and we'd still have the 3rd rounder from N.E. in the pocket....

Say we grab DT Christian Wilkins at #17, and then jump back in around pick 30 and snipe a top WR or CB, that would be another big first round for the Browns....

 

It's very much both, but the scheme has to exist in order for him to be effective, first.

If you watch that Super Bowl closely (or any game prior), you'll see one very telling pre-snap element: Edelman in motion. When the ball is snapped, New England often has Edelman in a stack formation, behind another receiver and off the line of scrimmage. Prior to the snap, however, he's lined up elsewhere, and motions into that position. What this allows is several-fold:

- Edelman and Brady can both identify the defense's reaction - whether they're playing man, zone, some combination thereof...
- Edelman and Brady can both identify the specific coverage's alignment - is the guy manning up on Edleman playing inside / outside leverage, etc
- It ensures that Edelman won't be touched off the line of scrimmage, which is paramount
- It potentially disrupts the defense, ruining even well-intentioned and drawn up coverage

From the snap, Edelman runs his route based on what the defense has shown him, taking whatever space they're providing him. If they're not giving him any because they're dedicating more than one coverage man to him, Brady sees that and looks elsewhere, knowing he has favorable space / matchups elsewhere. Ideally, Brady never has to move beyond his first read, because he identified where he's going to throw it pre-snap. Edelman makes that easy, and it's why he had over 100 yards in the first half of that game, alone.

Edelman's ability to process and take advantage of what he's being given is certainly amongst the best in the league, and is damn frustrating for any defense. But he's able to do it because the scheme allows him to, and they get the results they do because Brady is so familiar with it as well.

It's not hard stopping New England's offense. Remember, they only scored 13 points in that Super Bowl. But, if you're going to stop it, you have to know how they do it, and you have to know that you're going to give up annoying first downs to Edelman quite a bit. Where you win is by giving him a few yards, and no more. Make Brady go elsewhere, contest those catches, and make sure tackles as soon as the ball is caught. The Rams did a lot of that. Not enough. And their offense certainly didn't help.

 

Edelman isn't some unique player - his scheme is getting him matched up on an opposing team's third-best cornerback OR a linebacker or safety who probably grades even lower in coverage.

Same thing New England has been doing with its slot receivers since McDaniels took over the offense.

McVay showed no ability to adapt in that game, so it's not surprised he ran roughshod over them. Phillips' defensive philosophy still held up - they kept the Patriots to three points late into the fourth when New England's top receiver (Rob Gronkowski) delivered a couple clutch plays and sealed the game.

 

What in the motherfuck are you talking about?

People, please - don't give this guy any credence. This is pure nonsense.

We'll just take the Super Bowl, for example:
When the Rams chose to cover Edelman in single man coverage, it was almost exclusively Talib that was doing so. There were instances where a LB or Safety was providing some man coverage on Edelman, but it's because they were doing so with the benefit of another zone or coverage nearby. Ex: S/LB covering inside, CB in the flats. This is pretty standard.

Not only is Edelman not being matched up against bad coverage players, he's only doing it from the slot on occasion. To call him a slot receiver is a gross mischaracterization.

Doubts? I only watched the first few snaps of this, to make sure the guy talking was giving what he promised (did it with the sound off, so maybe he's a total moron. I don't know). At the very least, he does a good job showing you every single catch Edelman had, so you can see exactly who is covering him and how.