LOL @ Alexander Ovenchicken.

every era has snipers and they can not be compared to previous eras. ovie in the slot always has a chance. what did i do, praising a guy who has a tramp stamp. must be my cold.

 

Funny, then why do all other era sniper's goal-shot ratios look similar, and ONLY Ovary is the outlier????

ONLY Ovechgoon led the league in shots as much with only leading in goals half the time.

 

You know guys, we all played this game in kindergarten:

One of these things is not like the others.

And in this case, 'the others' are great, and OV is 'one of these things that is not like the others'

 

he's also an outlier with the huge difference in goals he's scored vs everyone else since entering the league.
teh Phil takes tons of shots, even more than usual last postseason. thought he did alright for himself.

 

I take you don't like tramp stamps?

 

That's because he takes so many more shots than everyone else!

How do you laud him for that when he has gotten like a hundred more chances every year?

 

He also gets at least 100 shots off better than anybody else in the league.

I want to bash the guy overall, for a pile of reasons, but he's the one wing in the league that ALWAYS dictates the matchup. Even the Great PHIL or Kaner can't say that. He's done it longer than Nash, Kovy, or Hossa were able to too.

 

i more have a problem with your notion that more shots is a bad thing. its hard to quantify bad shots and there still isnt a good uniform measurement for those, nor will there be, imo. of course he takes some bad shots but every single goal scorer in history has and does.

what are your thoughts on analytical stats used in the NHL?

Ovechkin's career shooting % is 12.4 and on par with every other player thats laced em up and produced since he's been in the league. the difference is how many moar goals the Ovenchicken has buried than everyone else. its staggering and way more than i thought it would be.
and i hate Ovechkin.

 

1 More shots isn't necessarily a bad thing. More misses is.
2 Are you reffering to something specifically, or are you asking my opinion on all of them? Not sure how to respond.
3 This just isn't true. There are 38 other active players with a better shooting % than OV. And the only thing that is staggering is the number of shots he gets more than the next most prolicfic shooting player each year.

Not counting this year, since OV has been in the league, he has led the league in shots every year except 1, and he only was 10 shots back.

However if you take how many more shots OV takes over the #2 most prolific shooter (which has never been the same player even twice) - just against whoever is #2 than ovary has gotten SIX HUNDRED AND TWELVE MORE SHOTS than all #2s, including (-10) the one year he was #2.

Now THAT is what is staggering!

 

I seriously think too many people have bought the hype without actually looking at the facts.

 

This is my take (alert: I'm simplistic about this):

1. I like players that shoot. It is a general observation that I've made that for every goal I've ever seen, a player has shot the puck.

2. I like players that make their team better. I'm pretty sure the Caps are better because they have him. (I know the Sabres would be better with him.)

 

I compare OV to that power hitter that hits over 40 hr's but will strike out 150 times, swing for the fences.

 

1) true, although possession stats these days are based on shot attempts and not sog.
2) all of them in general, sort of ties in to #1^.

3) lol, better shooting percentage equates to so little when the difference is as small as it is. the number of shots he gets off is the reason why he has almost lapped the field in goals scored since he joined the league.

4) and much more importantly, he's lead the league in goals how many times?

5) goes to show you how reliable he is in regularly suiting up. also shows you how he can adapt to different systems and coverages and gets shots through and often in. whoever is 2nd in goals to him isnt far off in shooting % but is far off in # of goals.


few players are as dependable as Ovechkin and make other teams adapt to him specifically..... i hate that im supporting him here. i feel like this sort of argument is as nonsensical as railing against Tom Brady's # of incompletions.

 

absolutely, but i think youre talking about 50 homeruns per.

 

Yes, I was just taking account the seasons that he didn't get over 50.

 

Which facts are you talking about?
I'm not looking at goals assists or points, and I'm not looking at any of his pp TOI.

 

According to Behindthenet:

For 5 on 5 play OV missed the net (blocks, misses, etc.) 29.6% of the time, from a distance of 33feet.
The PHIL was at 24.8% but he was 3feet closer and against easier competition.
Taylor Hall is at 25.1%...but his shots are also an average of 5+ feet closer than OV.
Tarasenko is at 26.1% but his shots are 3+ feet closer on average.
CROSBY missed 32.8% (although draws top defensive matchups similar to OV unlike the rest)

Here are some other scoring wings for comparison, guys that look to shoot first last year.
Pacioretty missed 29.9%
Beleskey missed 39%
Toffoli missed 37%
Wheeler missed 30.7%
Forsberg missed 38.8%
Benn missed 30.7%

And I can go on and on and on...and on and on. OV is among the top players at getting a shot to the net at even strength or 5 on 5 close scenarios.

I think you're looking at the aggregate, it makes more sense as to why he's really really good, when you pick it apart, especially under Trotz. That's how I changed my mind on him a number of years ago.

Misses on the PP are not statistically damaging, and the underlying numbers suggest it actually does more to create more prime scoring chances than scoring chances against in my opinion. Unfortunately, I can't claim that as statistical fact (yet). The geeks in the hockey universe are still working out the kinks for those metrics and NHL gms have proprietary rights on many of the good number systems. I digress, back to Ovenchicken.

Anyway, to simplify about OV and his missed shots, you're absolutely wrong statistically. There's nothing there in the numbers that suggest he's less than really good at shooting and helping his team win...regardless of his personal production.

 

Please allow me to be the first person to congratulate (perhaps a bit premature) the Crapolas for their grand achievement of obtaining another Presidents Trophy (the bloody cursed hunk of metal). To be honest, I want them to win it. That will make their early exit from the playoffs that much sweeter. So suck it Ovul8r! and you too, ShatNtwerk... or whatever your name is. GO PENS!

 

Time to close out this thread (for the season) with some taunting of Ovi and his mates. Let's begin!

 

https://www.hockeyfeed.com/nhl-news...s-of-alex-ovechkin-s-injuries-revealed?ref=jo

we all love busting on ovi for losing again in the playoffs. if this pix is real and that's his hammy? wow.