My solution would be ban the owner from using the feature the rest of the season if they abuse it. Plain and simple. If the owner starts someone on their PS, ban then from using the spot entirely for the duration of the year. Would have to continually be policed by the commissioners but makes sense. Of course, the week the PS player is started, the points get reversed as well. One could argue that it is an honest mistake but I am of the mindset that you should always know the details of your team. If you do not have time to keep up, don't play. If an owner requests a PS move after the deadline, reject it as commissioners. If you do not meet a deadline you have no rights to the move requested. My views may not be the most popular but in a money league I do not like any bending of the rules because someone forgot to do something.
Along those lines, we could make it an automatic loss if you start someone on the PS. It would probably be easier than having to monitor their roster the rest of the season to make sure they only carried 30/31 players. I had a PS player in the IR for 2 weeks this season and even though I had a player on IR that I could have moved to that slot (line up fuck up), technically, I was not within the rules for that period. We would need to have something in place for a situation like that as well.
I saw ban the PS spot if it's done twice in 1 season. I fine with being hardline but I think a compromise would be best as long as we are consistent. A 2nd unrelated roster offense in the same season is pretty inexcusable. And some people are really bad with the deadlines. If they miss a PS deadline then it should just be last def/off player added to the roster if the last guy that was on the PS is no longer on the roster. If they want to use them well they should have paid ore attention. It's not like we are being secretive about the deadlines.
A few other thoughts/suggestions: - If any errors happen with roster moves, say an add-drop in error it has to be brought up ASAP or it's tough to reverse it. Especially if any news gets updated on said player. I had an issue where I released the wrong Reggie. I made sure to bring it up ASAP. If I waited a bit longer it may have become an issue to reverse, especially if there was a player update. Commish discretion. - I think starting next draft the only thing to break record ties for draft picks should be points regardless of their division or conference record. A team can finish ahead of another team in the division on tiebreakers but they can still get the higher pick if they scored less points. - I don't think an automatic loss is fair. Okay maybe it is fair but I think voiding the player is enough of a handicap. At least on the 1st offense of a season. Also if anything it shouldn't be an automatic win but instead just a vacated win/tie for the offender if they happen to still win after removing the score of the illegal player. - If a team has an extra player than legally allowed the last added player is immediately released to free agency. And if he was used it counts as an illegal player. There are a few cases in which this could happen but the most likely is by having a PS player designated on IR and then signing an extra player, like Tim's own example. - Back to what we discussed before about the draft. Having it "offline" and done on the forum so it can feel more like an nfl draft room and facilitate draft day trades. I had a few more but can't remember.
lol I hear ya. I'm an outsider and not in the Dynasty league but here is an outsiders opinion for you all. I think the loss is a bit harsh if it s a first time offense it truly could be an honest mistake. However if the same owner seems to do it over and over either in the same season or every season then drop the hammer. Of course one way in addition to lost draft picks is to punish them by of course subtracting the points of the player who was started off the practice squad. First time offense could be loss of draft pick plus you loose double the points of the offended player. This could of course result in a loss but may not always mean a loss. The second time you triple the points lost and the 3rd time you quadruple the loss and so on and so on. Between the loss of draft picks and the loss of points growing each time a mistake is made they will not make the mistake multiple times. Or if you want ot be more harsh in addition to the lost draft pick you could start out double point loss the first offense, quadruple the second and 8x points loss the third, 16x the 4th ect ect. Not only does it punish them for the game which they likely loose but loosing points to that magnitude could and would effect their ability to make the playoffs. I dont know your scoring system sure its in this post somewhere but if an illegal player was started by an owner who committed a second offense and that player scored 11.5 points he would loose 92 points. A third offense with the same score would be a loss of 184 points. if they had a 4th offense at that point (368 point loss) id just call them stupid kick them from the league and find a replacement owner lol.
One thing i would like to say... If we are going to have a Practice Squad... have to keep track of dates and write stuff on paper, I dont like this. We should have all tools and fixes available electronically. I set my weekly lineups based on what the roster says and I am guilty of starting PS players for an honest mistake of not having notes written down. I just think we should stick to the technology available or do away with PS stuff all together if its not part of the actual system. Having to keep track of things that are not part of the web-sites actual system is whats going to lead to trouble... at least with me.
No offense to Will but I would be strongly against doing away with the PS. Plus you ca always just refer to the fleaflicker message board where you post your PS players if you can't remember 2 players.
Well, whatever we decide im all in. Ima team player. I just think using the already given web-site tools would be enough. ________________________________________________ As big as the non-starting roster is the PS players dont really have an impact to begin with. ________________________________________________ I certainly want to play within the rules, but i have made a mistake or two already because of PS related stuff... but i'll get it right.
Speaking from experience an inadvertent mistake can happen easily but with the help of others it's something that can be corrected. I'm going to email FleaFlicker about it to see if there is anything I missed within their software that may help us out. Having the designated thread here on the forums will help. It's our first season in a complex league and I thought things ran very well to start off what is a very long journey. The PS will become something that we are all accustomed to simply by having it more than one season and we will all learn to police our own rosters as well as the other owners without putting much thought into it. Everybody did a great job this season. Now we get to see what happens in our first off-season.
This is the first ever pay/comprehensive League i'v ever done. It was a load of fun and im glad to have been involved. I too am looking forward to the post-season and of course next year. I am going to be more prepared next season and have learned alot from you guy's. I even have learned a few tricks i put up my sleeve. I dont have a problem with keeping extra attention on things, paper records/pc files, whatever it takes to make the League a success... Im all in.
This line of thinking should follow through with all issues. If you think something may be wrong or if you simply have a question you should bring it up immediately so that we can sort it out. As another example - Truth noticed that a WR on his roster had not been awarded points for a kickoff return TD. He quickly posted about it, I reviewed the scoring rules, double checked with the site rules and got him an answer quickly. If issues are approached in this manner we can sort them out in a timely fashion. I would consider this and even take it to vote this season. The one thing that I would put up right now is that a playoff team can have a worse record and less points than a non-playoff team that will get a higher draft pick because of the division they are in. That is the main reason why I have it so that division records carry weight before points in tie-breakers for the draft. I'm open to listen to any suggestions on the matter whether from someone in the league or from an outside suggestion similar to Jeanquev's. Whatever the fix, it needs to lean on the side of simplicity for the aid of everyone involved in the league. In my circumstance I had already placed a player on the IR and picked up another before bumping a PS player into the IR while shuffling my starting line-up. If I has simply realigned it before the start of the games my line-up would have been legal. Having played two games with the PS player on IR that would have made my line-up illegal for 2 weeks, regardless of whether or not I had someone on my roster (K. Allen) that was actually on IR for both of them. There are varying degrees of mishap with the PS so we will need to have multiple 'fines' to cover these. I am all for this. It is only 10 rounds and can be done in a workable amount of time. We would need to come up with an allotment of time for each pick. There is some software I looked at awhile back that we may be able to utilize in conjunction with a forum thread. I'll check into it. We got time, but as soon as you do please post them up.
I'm keeping this post to bring up later when we start discussing this more. Thanks for thoughts and suggestions. *DRINK*
The wording here is confusing. Are you saying that a playoff team that wins their division should have a worse pick than a non-playoff team with a better record? If so then that division tiebreaker isn't necessary. Non playoff teams gets allotted the first 6 picks and then the rest are awarded by elimination order with record and then points breaking determining the order. Also if that is the case it wouldn't affect the draft order this year as the current tiebreakers give the same results as sticking with points only.
%) Right now it's a non-issue. But a team could win their division to get into the playoffs while having a worse record and less points than another team in the same conference. The team with the better record and more points would get a higher draft pick because they did not make the playoffs. When it comes to slotting draft picks if we go by high points only it goes against one of the tie-breakers to win your division (division wins). If we change it to total points in one circumstance it does not fix the issue in another. That's why the weight is set the way it is. It's not perfect but it's fair because of our playoff system. The part in bold was meant to reflect how one division may be significantly weaker than the rest of the league in wins and points creating the issue.
I still don't get it. The 6 playoff teams pick last anyways and ties to get in are broken by standings tiebreakers. Are you worried about a scenario where a team makes the playoffs on division tiebreaker and a team with more points and equal record in the same division misses out? Or conference for a WC? I think perhaps you are overthinking it. The NFL has the same thing. Playoff teams pick last in order of last-man standing with ties broken by SOS. All non playoff teams, regardless of division placement have ties broken with SOS.
No, what I am saying is if we go be least points on the top 6 we can still end up with a guy that has fewer in the bottom 6 so switching it strictly to points doesn't help a guy that was eliminated in the first round. I'm not seeing a reason to change it for the top 6. Just pointing it out is all.
Well playoff elimination is all OOC anyways and goes straight to points in our current tiebreakers. And I'm assuming you realize record is before points. As for a reason to change it what if BOMBERS and ANED still had the same record but BOMBERS won another division game and lost an out of division game instead. They still have equal record and less points compared to ANED but now are higher on division tiebreaker. Instead of BOMBERS having the #1 pick they would fall to #2 behind ANED. They are both non-playoff teams. Should priority be given to division standings to break them up first or should it go straight to points? Heck if there is a 3rd team out of conference with an equal record but less points than ANED but more than BOMBERS then BOMBERS instead of being #1 based on points would fall to #3 thanks to ANED having to be placed first.
