Dynasty League

Discussion in 'L4SN Dynasty League' started by Campbell, Jan 1, 2015.

  1. IrishDawg42 Legend Manager Browns Buckeyes Fighting Irish

    Yes it should be reset weekly, but it should still be "based" on the yearly accumulative. I've never seen a league that would allow a team that hypothetically started the week 9-0, but lost 120-30, then have the number 1 priority because of the one week fluke.

    The weekly waiver reset avoids leaving the waiver being set to the draft order all season long.

    I'm in the same boat...I am 6-7,in last place in my division and have a total point scored of 1,209.25, Tiger Style, who is leading their division and have a total point scored of 1,301.8 are also 6-7, but I have a lower waiver priority...doesn't make sense...it's happened several times all season. It must be a glitch. I am assuming it is because I beat them head to head, but that should have nothing to do with waiver priority.
     
  2. IrishDawg42 Legend Manager Browns Buckeyes Fighting Irish

    OK, I see that it does go by record first, so that would eliminate my previous example...however, it still shouldn't allow for two teams that are both 5-5, one has scored 900 points in the season, while the other has scored 1200 points in the season...the lowest average should get the waiver priority, I've never heard of waiver priority being set by division record...divisions aren't equal...

    (edit:) This wouldn't explain mine and Tiger Style's discrepancy either...he would be the higher seed...hell I didn't even make the playoffs, he did...His division record is 2-2, mine is 1-3.

    In no way, should he have a higher waiver priority.
     
  3. Campbell Administrator Manager Commissioner

    Division records hold weight.

    And I didn't word that properly in a previous post. It does go by the yearly record but it resets weekly based on the results of the week prior and after Wednesday it resets after any owner moves.

    The list that I posted in bold is all of the possible changes that a commissioner can make in the waiver process. If you go to the league activity now you will see that there is a league executed change in the playoff seeding. Anytime there is a change in the league you will see this notifier. Fleaflicker set the seeding for the league as a whole and had non-conference teams playing each other in the first round so I corrected it.

    As for the waiver - I have watched it all season and it has been correct. If there was an issue prior it should have been brought to my attention or the attention of one of the co-commissioners to be discussed and in the event of a mistake to be corrected. There is no reason that anyone should wait this long to mention it as it had the potential to change the entire outcome of the season.
     
  4. Campbell Administrator Manager Commissioner

    I'll go back and look at it again Irish but this should have been brought up sooner.
     
  5. IrishDawg42 Legend Manager Browns Buckeyes Fighting Irish

    Well, one a season starts, you shouldn't change what ever the settings are anyway...It is obviously something that the website does, so you adjust accordingly. Rules are rules after all, but I think it needs to be addressed next year.
     
  6. Campbell Administrator Manager Commissioner

    Actually, in this case we would be trying to ensure that the rules we set at the beginning are being followed so we would have changed them if we had the ability. That's why anything like this that someone thinks is wrong should be brought up immediately.
     
  7. Campbell Administrator Manager Commissioner

    Ok, I found it Irish -

    Power & Playoff Rank Tiebreakers

    Best division record (same division only)
    Best head-to-head record
    Most average points/game
    Hardest schedule (points)
    Hardest schedule (record)


    You beat TigerStyle head to head so you have the higher power ranking on the season.
     
  8. IrishDawg42 Legend Manager Browns Buckeyes Fighting Irish

    That's what I figured, which is why I didn't mention it...I just think we need to discuss that..

    My ONE week win over that team that has scored on average 10 more points a week than me, may have had 4 bye week players, which gave me a one week advantage. The waiver wire is there to improve teams for the sake of parity, not reward a team that lost on their major bye week.

    That said, I doubt very highly that it effected anything in the end results. It, at the most, will effect two teams in any given week. Unless a team was able to pick up a player that became a top ten player, that one move most likely isn't going to upset the entire season, although hypothetically it could.

    I just have never been in a league that overall points scored didn't decide waiver priority with teams of the same record...doesn't mean other rules don't exist.
     
  9. Campbell Administrator Manager Commissioner

    Neither have I and, for the reasons you stated, that's why we have the tiebreakers set up the way that we do.

    Most points is the first thing that we go to when deciding tiebreakers for draft positioning with the thinking behind it of "the team with the least points needs the most help".

    It's the same during the regular season but the division records were to be the first determiner followed by points. HTH is to be a tiebreaker in the process but not a highly weighted factor and definitely not before points.

    Most likely we will have to remove HTH from the tiebreakers next season so that it goes immediately to points after division record to ensure that the breakers are weighted properly.

    The reason why I strongly stress so much about bringing things to someone's attention immediately is the fact that up until the rules locked (just recently) I could have made the necessary changes to make sure that the rules on the first page are the ones that are being followed.
     
  10. Looks like I'm the beneficiary of a weak division getting in at 6-7. I've won 3 of my last 4 and 5 of my last 8, so I wasn't bad down the stretch, but my 1-4 start would have burried me too deep in any other division.
     
  11. LAOJoe Assistant Coach Manager Patreon Silver Maple Leafs Eagles

    Although I agree with you on least points between tied teams should have the higher draft pick I thought you said clearly enough that draft positioning was done by applicable tiebreakers. They wouldn't be different this year but if the division record of ANED was worse than BOMBERS, by league rules they would have the #1 overall draft pick instead.

    Also I don't know if FF is technically right because it is in the power ranking rules or if it is wrong because it contradicts ours but I believe waiver priority order can be fixed in the settings. I don't know about the priority between you and I because of points but I do think Tiger Style should be dropped 2 spots behind Irish & Spicyweiner.
     
  12. Campbell Administrator Manager Commissioner

    We cannot change it now as this has been the order for the entire season.

    Division record counts within it's own division. Not against teams outside your division. So if two teams have the same record, and are not in the same division, it is points first and foremost.

    Again, if this was noticed earlier in the season as you stated previously then it should have been brought up immediately.
     
  13. LAOJoe Assistant Coach Manager Patreon Silver Maple Leafs Eagles

    I thought it was weird last week after waiver claims went through with you claiming ahead of me. It didn't affect who was grabbed. When the standings updated early this morning and I checked I saw it again.

    The playoff team ahead of 2 non-playoff team irks me a bit though. Just seems wrong.
     
  14. Campbell Administrator Manager Commissioner

    Considering that the wire is open to everyone and this is a dynasty league with non-playoff teams getting the opportunity to build their roster up until the final date of the regular season there is no way we can change the order now.

    At the beginning of the year the settings for scoring were off and we scored fractional points the first game. This is something that I know for sure was set to non-fractional before the start of the season. You can view the league reports and see that I corrected it. It could be that the weight for waivers in the FF default has the HTH set higher than points. If this would have been noticed before the ability to change it was locked than we could have corrected it for this season.

    If there are any other issues that you guys have noticed that you have not brought up, now would be the time to do it.

    We will need to discuss at the end of the season how we will handle situations where owners mishandle the PS spot and if there are any other rules that people care to look at.
     
  15. IrishDawg42 Legend Manager Browns Buckeyes Fighting Irish

    Sorry, I just assumed the end of the season would be the time to discuss rule changes. I've never changed rules mid stream, so I didn't think it was a big deal.
     
  16. RTTRUTH Legend Manager Colts

    First idea, being penalized draft picks. Maybe the forfeiture starts at the 8th round and gets more drastic for 'repeat' offenders...just an idea to consider
     
  17. Campbell Administrator Manager Commissioner

    That's not a bad idea. Have it set up on a graduating scale depending on the type of mistake.
     
  18. Good luck to everyone going into the playoffs!
     
  19. rediiis Guest

    rotsa ruck playoff-bounders
     
  20. LAOJoe Assistant Coach Manager Patreon Silver Maple Leafs Eagles

    FIFY
     

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