DeShone Kizer making case to be Browns starting QB

I want to point out the irony of SAS calling out anyone for "fan-girling" over a QB. That's all.

 

As much as you keep stating this as a reason, the best QBs in the NFL start immediately...Take their bumps and bruised egos in stride and become great. If he can't mentally handle the pressure of learning on the job...he is never going to be one of the great ones, in which case we need to continue searching for that man.

 

So being excited about a fairly spectacular performance by our rookie QB is "fan-girling" now? lol! Feel free to save my comments. I don't think anybody took it as me "anointing" anyone. I meant exactly what I said. The kid is off to a great start, as are the other high profile rookies...If this was a fight. Kizer wins the first round in a landslide. Take a look at who's getting reps with the #1's this week. It's not hard to figure. The Browns are being very transparent about it..I'm not sure if Kessler is gonna even get back in the fight, to be honest...

Perhaps somebody is having a hard time accepting that he might have been wrong about these QB's from the beginning. That's what I think. And not just our QB's, but how many times was I told Cody Kessler was a WAY better prospect than Jimmy Garoppolo? lol! Seriously? Give me a break...Jimmy G will break the bank next year....Cody K. will not.

Seriously man. Irish and I have both said all along that we just want the QB starter that gives us the best chance to win the game. Don't be hurt just because Kizer outplayed Kessler, by a mile, in pre-season game 1.... Instead of giving a crap about that, you should be happy about the performance Kizer put on...

 

There's a QB on the market who's better than 5-6 incumbent starters and no one's signing him purely for non-football reasons. Let's not pretend that it's always 100% about being "the best".

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We have this very macabre approach in Cleveland to quarterbacks. "If he can't handle it, let's get someone else!" What's wrong with allowing a rookie, who by almost everyone's estimation came out too early, some time to absorb his new life? There's more than just the playbook - there's the weight room, the diet, the practices... a lot beyond just how well he can remember the plays that goes into being an NFL player.

The Browns played the draft beautifully, for the record. They didn't reach and still came away with a quarterback - but did so in the second round (and with their fourth pick) which normally would lower the expectations. I get that we're starved for success around here, but c'mon. There's a reason Kizer was available at #52 overall.

 

Not at all. Although outside of Irish, I can't recall a single person advocating for DeShone Kizer.

Cody Kessler is better than Jimmy Garoppolo. Contract dollars are hardly an indicator of QB worth. Pretty sure Joe Flacco is one of the Top 3 paid and is objectively the worst QB in the NFL.

Seems pretty early to make that determination after the first preseason game. I'm also a big picture guy and am willing to trade immediate results for the longer term good. If Kizer is the quarterback of the future, why install him in the present?

This isn't the Cowboys situation last season with Dak. This is a team that went 1-15. I'm optimistic that they've turned a ton around, but they went through six starting quarterbacks in 2016. They lost their best receiver and failed to adequately replace him. They insist (as they did last season) that they're committed to the run, but still called pass plays 66.2% of the time - including four in a row within the 7 yard line on Thursday.

We can start Cody or Brock and move to the rookie once we have a gauge of where the team is at. It's a lot harder to go the other way.

Where did I say I was hurt? Where did I say I wasn't happy?

You two are so blinded by the latest QB crush that I don't know if you're even reading my message correctly.

I'm just confused. I'm used to seeing everyone here clamor for why we need to sit the rookie behind the incumbent until he's "ready" to go. What changed? Was the two quarters of play against, arguably, the worst defenders in the NFL enough to erase two seasons of film and an offseason of debate?

 

So because I didn't advocate for Kizer pre-draft, I'm not aloud to show support for him now? lol! That's ridiculous...

I'll say this SAS, I like what I've seen from Kizer so far. If I'm blinded by the latest QB crush, then you must need a team of Doctors following you around trying to understand this unhealthy affection you have for Cody Kessler...Seriously man....It doesn't make any sense. You gotta get real. Kessler's mom doesn't think he's that good...

Just the fact that you continue to insist that Kessler is a better prospect than Jimmy Garoppolo, speaks volumes as far as Im concerned.

It's okay though. I really don't care. You can like whatever QB you want, but it doesn't make you right....I'd bet the farm that there isn't one NFL GM or coach that thinks Kessler is the better prospect. And it's as obvious as night and day. Garoppolo would start for at least 20 NFL teams. He's a stud QB...Kessler is having great difficulty holding on to 2nd string QB duties with the Cleveland Browns, behind Brock Osweiller...It's NOT even close.

 

So it seems like their screwed w any QB....Kessler has looked below avg, Osweiler has a terrible track record and Kizer hasnt taken a reg season snap

 

SAS, you are one of my favorite posters....Let's just agree to disagree on the QB's. In the end, we both just want the best for our Browns.

I'm not some newbie to the sport. I realize things could change completely in pre-season game #2, next Monday night. Kizer could be awful, and Kessler could play his way back in the hunt. I personally just don't see any reason to think Kessler is going to do that, and neither does the vast majority of the football world. I've thought of him as a back-up QB pretty much all along...

Kizer,on the other hand, has a skillset that I think will fit much better in our division...Maybe some of my enthusiasm about Kizer is wishful thinking. If so, is that so bad? All I want is for the best QB to be taking the snaps...No matter how hard I try, I just don't see Kessler evolving into a legit starter in the NFL..

 

All right!!! Enough of this shit is enough!

TD, if you are allowed to show support for a QB - ANY QB - then why isn't another member of this community allowed to show his support for a different QB? It's not like anyone on here has a stellar track record on annointing the next, great quarterback!

I've said it before and I'll repeat it again. IMHO, none of the QB's in this draft class (or last year for that matter) is the next Otto Graham. None of them. That translates directly to the fact that, as it stands RIGHT NOW, we still do not have our "Franchise QB" on the current roster.

That said, who ever lines up under center for the Cleveland Browns will get my support.

 

Flacco is the one of the worst QBs in the league? Did you forget bout guys like Glennon, Savage, Bortles, Hoyer, Goff, Dalton etc...thats off the top of my head

 

Well, he did say "one of the worst".

 

Lyman, wth are you talking about? when did I say someone couldn't show support for whomever they want???

Just for the record, your opinion does not translate directly to facts....You don't know that we haven't found a QB.

I can't believe how much crap I'm taking because I liked what I saw from Kizer the other night.

 

If you think that's bad, you should try liking what you saw from Kizer but telling people the prudent move would be not to rush him into the starting lineup.

Hint...

 

This is one angry fan base...We can't even enjoy a great rookie debut without a bunch of jaded fans trying to nip the enthusiasm in the bud...lol

 

Ideally, I agree with your logic 100%....But we aren't in an ideal QB situation here in Cleveland. Plus, look around the league. The days of bringing the QB along slowly are gone....If Kizer gives us the best chance to win, then he should start. Period. Same with Brock and Cody (sounds like a Nickelodeon show). lol!

 

There are some really bad QBs out there.

 

You realize this has been a long-standing SAS talking point that I've softened over time from being told to let them wait... right?

 

If we still had Josh McCown in the fold, I wouldn't even consider starting the rookie, but we don't...And if Kizer beats out the Nickelodeon show, which would NOT be the shock of the century, then so be it.

 

Gosh... that is hard. Discounting the rookies, who's the worst potential starter in the NFL today? Flacco is for sure bottom five, but you've got Trevor Siemian, Carson Wentz, Blake Bortles, Brock Osweiler, Jay Cutler, and Christian Hackenberg all as potential candidates.

If he beats out Deshaun Watson somehow, Tom Savage could easily be the worst QB in the NFL.

How about an easier list... (non-rookie) QB's Colin Kaepernick is better than:

1. Tom Savage
2. Carson Wentz
3. Jared Goff
4. Trevor Siemian
5. Mike Glennon
6. Joe Flacco
7. Blake Bortles
8. Jay Cutler
9. Josh McCown
10. Christian Hackenberg
11. Brock Osweiler
12. Bryan Hoyer

At a minimum.