Steelers finally able to hit the free agent market. It's like a dream come true. And if Browns fans have taught me anything over the years free agency is the greatest predictor of future success!! LOL it's gonna be fun bantering with you for the next 8 months.
FWIW... TFQB is 8-22 (.267), so practically the same, but, Watson took a team that had three consecutive 9-7 seasons and went 7-19 with that roster. Baker took a team that went 0-16 (10-54 in the four seasons before he was drafted) and went 1-5 as a rookie, 2-6 with Freddie Kitchens, 3-3 in his first year with Stefanski, and 2-8 after destroying his shoulder and suffering through injuries in 2021 and the team itself was decimated by injury. The stone-cold fact is, Baker was better in every way - as a player, a teammate, a member of the community, and a person but TFQB isn't part of the plans so it's silly to continue to argue that at this point.
Actually said something to this effect somewhere along the way. The Browns shit all over TFQB, miscalculated in a franchise-wrecking manner, and picked up a serial pervert all to still have the third best QB in the division and the gap between #4 (Trubisky) and #3 (Watson) is a **LOT** closer than the gap between Watson and #2 (Jackson). Too early predictions for the AFC North: Ravens 12-5 Bengals 9-8 Steelers 9-8 Browns 5-12
This is more of a Houston Texan thing than a Deshaun Watson thing... Can we get the numbers on current SB champion Matt Stafford vs good teams, when he was quarterbacking the Lions?
Houston's record: 2014: 9-7 2015: 9-7 (0-1 post-season) 2016: 9-7 (1-1 post-season) 2017 (Watson): 4-12 2018 (Watson): 10-6 (1-1 post-season) 2019 (Watson): 11-5 (0-1 post-season) 2020 (Watson): 4-12 2021: 4-13 Davis Mills took the same roster Watson went 4-12 with and did the exact same thing. It's actually more of a DeAndre Hopkins, thing. Most people will see what I'm saying after this season when Watson looks below average in an offense that doesn't play to his strengths and without a Top 3 wide receiver.
He's 9-54 and I think includes his season with the Rams. Only five QB's have a winning record against winning teams: Patrick Mahomes (inherited a winning franchise), Lamar Jackson (inherited a winning franchise), Jimmy Garopollo (inherited a winning franchise), Russell Wilson*, and Tom Brady**. * Seattle had a few down seasons before selecting Wilson, but still saw the post-season six of the eight years (including a Super Bowl appearance) before Wilson was picked and took over the team. ** Tom Brady is the GOAT, but New England saw the post-season four of the six years (including a Super Bowl appearance) before Brady and Belichick took over. Quite frankly, QB winning percentage is a factor of the team in all cases but it was thrown out as a knock against TFQB earlier which is simply not fair to do to him if you don't hold all the others to the same standard.
If you're setting yourself up to hold six first round picks over the next three seasons and you're looking to 2023 when C.J. Stroud and Bryce Young are eligible... why would you take the risk of winning too many games with Mayfield under center? Davis Mills will continue to plug along in the 3-6 win range for the Texans as they set themselves up to get their franchise QB in next year's draft.
lol! Creative, but c'mon... If Baker is what you are saying he is, then we wouldn't be having a hard time finding him a new home, and nobody would be scoffing at his $18.7M dollar salary. That would be a bargain for a star QB. We would be powerplaying a slew of teams, and asking and receiving a king's ransom as we look to replace the multiple first rounders. Obviously, that's not even close to what's happening. To say the market has been cold for Baker would be a huge understatement. Besides Cleveland and Houston, how many other teams have said no thanks to Mayfield? The Saints preferred Jamies Winston. The Colts preferred the aging Matt Ryan and his $35M salary. The Panthers would rather roll with Darnold. New York is good with Danny dimes. Seattle, Pittsburgh and Tampa among others,have no interest at his current salary. Doesn't that say something about #6?
This is the kind of stuff I see way too much of from Baker. This isn't shoulder injury. This is terrible decision making...Just hit the open guy. It's painful to watch.
Or does the fact he only has one year on his rookie option have something to do with it, when the Browns were asking for a first round pick? They were asking for a first round pick, because they might still need him in 2022. If a first rounder came in, then fine, they will move on, but why move him for next to nothing when he does have value and the uncertainty still lingers for their new QB? This has been my contention all along. I freely state that I think Watson is an upgrade at QB, I simply argue that the upgrade isn't worth everything that came with the move. A) $230M guaranteed contract B) inability to sign more free agents because of (A) C) loss of extremely valuable rookie assets. Honestly, if you ask me, the best approach might be to draft a rookie QB in round 1 or 2 EVERY SINGLE YEAR. Use free agency as an avenue to keep your roster stocked at all times, have the best option available from your drafts and have 4 QBs on the roster. One of them should be able to play at a very high level. As they develop, trade them off in their 3rd year depending on which one's the highest asset not being utilized in the starting lineup and always have one younger ready to take over when the best one runs out of his 5th year option. Best way to control the salary cap, you utilize your top draft picks on the most important position in football and you have salary cap galore to remain a constant contender in the league.
No that wouldn't have anything to do with it if he was a top flight QB as suggested. There would be GM's lining up to acquire him.
It wasn't a bad read, it was a bad throw. The defense set up inside with no outside help, so he had his top read one on one, the receiver had his man beat, but he underthrew the route. A good pass has a 20 yard completion, a great pass has an easy TD, the under coverage "wide open" receiver is actually covered by two defenders if he decides to go there, albeit 3 yards off the receiver. It most likely goes for a 10 yard gain, which obviously is a better result than a pick, but the upside on the play is worth the read and the throw. You just can't under any circumstances under throw that route, which he did. The read is correct though, this guy is arguing the wrong point.
Not without an agreed upon extension... What QB in recent history was singed with good compensation in the last year of their deal without a new contract in place?
GM's would be lining up to get that done. That's what I'm saying. Top flight QB's rarely become available, but when they do, there's never a shortage of teams willing to do what it takes. He's not that....
It was a terrible read. There were 3 options on that side of the field at different depths. Two were covered and one was roaming wide open at the sticks, Terrible decision. Terrible throw. It was all bad... Maybe he just doesn't see the field, but I've mentioned it plenty of times before. He misses wide open receivers all the time.
