Even if he is cut. Which he could be. Smith is a better QB then Carr. Gruden tried Carr for a year and failed, thats what taking a QB @4 would admit. Andy Reid traded for Alex Smith, so he likes Alex Smith. Hue Jackson, traded for Tyrod Taylor so he likes Taylor. Gruden was left Carr from a former GM, plopped in his lap, tried him for a year and failed. Why would he try him again? Gruden is also a baptism by fire type of coach, so I think whatever QB he gets he is going to put him in sooner or later. Pretty much day 1. I would treat this like the Panthers when they drafted Cam Newton, (they had Jimmy Clausen) Jimmy who?
Because QB's don't grow on trees. Carr isn't horrific....I've got Tyrod Taylor on the roster too. He's a total pro that the rookie can lean on in his rookie season of learning.....
I don't think Gruden wants a failed player, and I don't think Carr wants to play the for Raiders to be a punching bag, while Haskins grows.
Obviously I wanted to trade Carr, but I'm not giving him away....Next season, we can walk away with minimal hit. If DC steps his game up and plays well, then we have a valuable commodity...I think it's a win for Oakland all the way around.
Why would he be a punching bag? I've invested heavy in O-line reinforcements, as have the real life Raiders...Plus, now Derek actually has a couple star WR's on the roster...
TD when you draft a QB you are getting pennies on the dollar for your old QB. He'd need to show value like Alex Smith to get something for him NEXT year for there to be any decent value.
If you like Carr and you view him as a franchise guy then don't take a QB at 4. By taking a QB at 4 he is leftovers, no one cares about Carr if you have Haskins.
Alex Smith is an exception, because he was viewed in NFL circles as a borderline starter. Carr is viewed far from Smith.
And you don't think it's possible for DC to elevate his game to the lofty standards of Alex Smith? With AB and Tyrell Williams added to the mix?
Good convo going on here... My two cents..I am with TD on this one. Carr's $27M dead cap to trade Carr right now gives Oakland little motivation to move on from him immediately. Rookies are a fickle beast. Some can step in and start, but most struggle that first year when they have to. Giving him a year to acclimate and learn would help boost his career, much like Mahomes was. They could trade Carr before the 2020 League year begins and only have $5M in dead cap...They can even cut him before the 3rd day of the league year if that's what needs to happen. IF they can get Carr to have an impressive year with added weapons around him, they can evaluate on a much better footing what they need to do moving forward. If Haskins moves ahead of Carr in practice and/or game situations depending on how the season goes, then they can trade or cut him. Right now, keeping Carr costs them $22.5M, cutting him cost them $27.14M, trading him would cost them $7.6M and the prorated amount the trading team is willing to pay of his guaranteed $19.9M salary. More than likely the $22.5M, if they traded him immediately, would turn into something like a $14M cap hit in 2019 and maybe a 3rd round pick. If they keep him through the season, he doesn't cost them an exorbitant amount in 2020 and if he improves on his 2018 numbers, he will garner at least a 2nd round pick in 2020. The only reason the Raiders would take a QB in this draft is if Gruden wants "his guy" to be anchored to. Carr was a 4,000 yard, 19 TD QB in 2018, without many weapons around him.
Smith was also a case where he was just getting old. Still useful but the team had a chance to go young. Moving from Carr isn't simply going young, it's a clear attempt to upgrade. The leverage just isn't there unless he starts and does well.
So Carr would probably start while the rookie gets ready (unless he blows it away in Camp like Russell Wilson) and then either outright keep the spot because he kills it or the rook isn't ready or does well but the rookie gets his chances and flashes. In that case you can trade Carr the next offseason for much better value and it also wouldn't hurt the cap situation as much. (although that may lose some leverage since you can just cut him to save $19M if there isn't a market outside 1 team.)
Moving from Carr isn't simply going young, it's a clear attempt to upgrade. Exactly, Moving on from Carr says he isn't good enough for the Raiders.
