Obviously - or maybe not - the "8-8" declaration was meant to be tongue-in-cheek since it's still early. However, I just have to think that this plan - entering Year 3 - has to start materializing. It's going to help tremendously, in my opinion, that we have a guy like Tyrod Taylor at the helm. Plus we gotta have optimism because if not for that, what else do we have? ... ... ... Right... just booze.
Unfortunately, the first part of your statement is very true. And, for the more frequent offenders, they're most reticent to listen to anyone else. Don't duck out, Lyman. I get the temptation. But, for those of us who mostly just read because posting generally causes some kind of uproar, the sensible posters are the only reason we stick around. So, on a personal level, I hope you stick it out and keep trying to have sensible discussions. Whether or not someone agrees with you at any point in time, myself included, is inconsequential - quality conversation is what it's all about.
"Quality Conversation" around here has gone the way of the Dodo bird. I'm 70 fucking years old. I've been around the block enough times to know when to pack it in and let the milenials have at it.
As a millenial, I don't think that's an accurate assessment. I think the individual(s) doing the most agitation is in the minority. It's the offseason. The ESPN sideshow people are out in full force around here, with the endless, regurgitated tweets and meaningless nonsense. Just wait until there's something of substance to discuss (draft is in a week), and it'll be worth sticking around.
Friendly reminder... *this* caused a ruckus this morning: After posting a prediction the Browns would go 8-8. I've only got a finite amount of daily snark and I don't want to burn through it all. Can we deescalate now? Asking for a friend.
I think that's a severe misunderstanding of the stated problem. It's one thing when you say, "This guy scored 10 TD's!", and another when you say, "The ball was within a certain distance from the player, in a certain position, hence we can classify that as this metric, which we then extrapolate based on..." - meanwhile, the latter of these examples is based almost entirely on subjective measurements, making these metrics subjective and largely useless. Add in confirmation bias and specified selections and you end up with, well, the exact reason why statistics often don't end up meaning much in the sports world. The numbers thrown around on this board frequently step beyond the realm of "reasonable", and are almost exclusively the basis on which arguments and positions are made. Further, any effort at constructive conversation is ended, at that point - individuals point to aforementioned subjective and faulty numbers, and insults are levied against anyone who may try to point otherwise. As someone who might otherwise be a participant, it's unfortunate. Respecting the space of the fanbase and simply being a reader, it's exhausting and discouraging. As a millenial, who you referenced in your post, it's not an accurate representation of how I go about things. I and many others recognize faulty or subjective metrics, and can use them according to their nature, rather than ignoring it and using them as the end-all-be-all. That doesn't seem to be the case, here.
Ever heard the statistic that "80% of all vehicular accidents occur with 25 miles of home"? It's true. But, only because 80% of driving occurs within 25 miles of home.
Once again, this is your opinion, not fact. Some people (present company I would think included) simply don't want to use analytics in any form in life. I understand their adversity to this. But, for many others, in real life and this type of format, they are useful tools of expressing an idea and/or facts. I agree there are biased numbers that sometimes are used in these arguments and in many cases they are challenged. However, I think that is the minority of the metrics introduced into this forum. I don't see anything wrong with using data to back up theories and/or ideas/thoughts in this environment. That isn't a millennial concept, it is an analytical concept. Analytics have been in play for centuries, but access to them has become more relevant in our open source lifestyles that we are currently enjoying. To feel excluded, because you don't like analytics, well, that's just your personal preference. It doesn't take away from constructive conversations.
2 miles is also regularly references, and it is because people check out mentally while driving when they get close to home and get careless. That's not the point though. I understand your point, Lime, I really do. In reference to DLB "subjective measurements" is a completely contradictory statement. A measurement would not be subjective, the interpretation of the data set could be subjective. You can disagree with PFF or NDT or any other scouting/football services advanced metrics all day long, that's fine. We can call it...oh, I don't know...is the term "fake news" a thing? If not, we should make it a saying... At the end of the day these people say "Hey, I have found that if you take this measurement in reference to this, then we get this stat. If you look at these great players they all score X, Rookie Y has this same rating therefore Rookie Y could be in the same class as these great players". I haven't seen a single one that claims to have the end-all-be-all quantifier, but they attempt to find a new way to interpret their data. They're all just tools. From the time you learn to write (in terms of papers, not the physical act itself) you are taught to support your claim. That is all. If anything, a subjective conversation should just advance the conversation, not result to insults being hurled. ::side note:: since our discussion on the ages/birth years of the various generations, I learned that there is a micro-generation between GenX and Millenials, cleverly named "Xennials". They're typically classified as those who grew up while technology advanced in the late 80s early 90s. I know at least myself and Sam fall into that.
