First of all, those broad stroke comparisons are ridiculous...Each is his own man...Trubisky is Hogan??? Gimme a break... You really don't think that a 2nd rd pick with 2 years of NFL experience, working side by side with the greatest coach AND QB of all time, wouldn't have been a better option this past season for us, than a rookie 3rd rounder that was 3rd string, and nobody expected to play in the first place? lol! That's silly... I'm glad you guys already have your minds made up about every QB....I don't even know what those generalized comparisons are supposed to be...
Actually, that seems like a compliment. [notify]Lyman[/notify] really likes Hogan. A guy who injured himself six quarters in (behind a much better offensive line, with a much better running game, and with an elite receiver/tight end) wouldn't have done much good riding the bench for us. Secondly, assuming that just because a guy is Tom Brady's back-up means he'll amount to something is insane. Brian Hoyer, Ryan Mallett, Kevin O'Connell, Zac Robinson, Matt Cassel, Kliff Klingsbury, Rohan Davey... what did these guys contribute? Brian Hoyer (now on his fifth team) was probably the best of the bunch with a career 59.5 completion percentage and 84.8 QB rating (Kessler's is 65.6 and 92.3, respectively).
[/b] You mean it doesn't always work??? oh no....I guess we might as well quit trying then. Our panel of experts has determined there are NO QB's that could possibly improve the Cleveland Browns...What a shame...Maybe we can go 1-15 again, and set our sights on 2018 or 2019 for any real improvements...or whenever the next "better than Kessler" prospect emerges, which might never happen... Nice. More broad stroke comparisons, only with some different comps...smh.
TD I said Browns fans wuld b talking draft after week 6 if they settled on RG3 or Kessler...a full yr 2 break down his film and his weak arm will b disastrous...u already stated u can think it's Garropolo, Watson, Trubisky, etc but if the front office agrees or selects another guy there isn't anything we can do bout it...I said after watching film I feel Trubisky is the best QB and is an upgrade over either of these guys
Here's the thing. There is no way for any of us to know if any of these prospects will emerge. Every year we go over the QB prospects. We discuss the pros and cons. We look at everything we can to try to determine if a guy is gonna be successful as an NFL QB...and we are wrong a LOT. Hell, the pros are wrong MOST of the time on QB's. There is no guide to evaluating QB's. It's the hardest thing for any GM...So when I hear a pure amateur, that has never got to sit down or talk to any of these prospects, just come out and declare him garbage, it has zero merit...ZERO.
With all do respect Lyman, you are the one acting superior, as if you have some crystal ball...You've already made all your determinations and comparisons about who will be good and who won't, and you are trying to convince me of it all..lol! I have never claimed superior insight...I just know QB evaluations are extremely difficult. You don't know what kind of fire burns inside Mitch Trubisky or Deshawn Watson any more than you know tomarrow's lottery numbers.None of us do...For all we know, Deshone Kizer might be the next great one, that most didn't see coming...We just DON'T know....Nobody saw Prescott coming, and I only had to go back one year for a prime example...So please don't try to tell me that none of these young QB prospects can help the Browns, because you don't know that...We all are entitled to opinions, and I respect yours, just don't present them as facts, and get upset if I disagree..
I don't think anyone's opinion of the QB's is that they're "garbage". And that's fine if you don't want the amateur's opinion... plenty of analysts and scouts say it, too. Several GM's and scouts have Deshaun Watson as a third round prospect. Mel Kiper Jr. said he would believe it if no QB's were drafted in the first round this year. Then, it still leaves us with the million dollar question: I won't argue that Trubisky and Watson have a higher ceiling than Kessler. That said, they also have much further to go towards reaching it - perhaps even as long as the nine-year plan with Matt Ryan. I would argue that neither is going to take this team from 1-15 to 15-1 and the uptick in wins one of them would bring would be less than what Kessler and, let's just say, Myles Garrett and O.J. Howard could do. I am not saying that Kessler is our Tom Brady. I am saying that maybe, just maybe, in this new NFL where franchise QB's are tough to come by and there's two or three dynasty teams (New England, Pittsburgh, Green Bay) who are always competing, maybe using a slew of high draft picks on players to instantly improve the defense and running game will allow us to make a push towards the playoffs with a guy like Kessler as the only other teams to make the Super Bowl with QBs drafted this decade have done. I'd much rather be in the position of the Houston Texans where they've got an elite defense and a good running game and they are just in the same position we're in - finding a QB. They go 9-7 every season with, arguably, worse QB play that we have. We just went 1-15 and have gone 21-69 since Jimmy Haslam took over ownership of the team.
Also, if you want to draft an elite RB in the first round and pick up a QB in the fourth, I'm actually all for that. 1-1: Leonard Fournette 4-97: Josh Dobbs
The Matt Ryan 9 year plan! lol! That's funny....I agree across the board SAS, and I understand that it is a real possibility that we don't add one of the bigger name QB's....I've said all along that if Hue Jackson likes one of these players, I will embrace it. If Hue loves Trubisky, we should take a shot at #12 (if available) Regardless of how well you sell Kessler, and believe me it's really really good, I still don't think we have a guy that scares anybody. We should at least have one guy in the mix that has the elite arm talent to make all the throws, but even if we can't get that, competition is never a bad thing. I will be surprised if we don't somehow wind up with one of the bigger names of available QB's this year, and Jimmy G IS one of them. The hype on him will probably get annoying. If Hue wants him, they still shouldn't give more than #33 at most. If somebody wants to give more than that, let him go...I want to use that first pick on Myles Garrett no matter what...After that, who knows? Anything is in play at #12...
You'd be all for Fournette with the first pick, and thus passing on Garrett??? lol! I don't think so. What happened to all that chatter about Mr. Garrett being "Myles" above the rest? ....besides, Dalvin Cook is the one ya want.
Believe it or not, there's probably 4 teams looking at Jimmy Garoppolo.... Cleveland, Chicago, San Fran and Houston are the teams already rumored to be interested....Not a doubt in my mind that New England will deal him, it's just a matter of who ante's up the most. I think people favor Cleveland because we have the most ammo to go get him if we choose...Well that and Mary Kay's declaration that we WILL attempt to trade for him, as if it's a known fact.....
SAS, here's the difference those teams u listed revolve their team around Ben, Brady and Rodgers and not defense and a running game...can they still play that part of the game...yes but take them off the team and u have .500 record or somewhere around there
Irish, I'm just curious....I'm not going to quote crop again, but how did you determine that it's a "fact" that no QB in the 2017 draft is near the level of Teddy Bridgewater, Jared Goff, Carson Wentz or Paxton Lynch coming out? *DONT_KNOW* I'll give ya Andrew Luck, but you gotta be kidding me with the rest of that list...
I'm curious also....so.... I went ahead and quote cropped... When did I say it is a fact that no QB in the 2017 draft is near the level of Bridgewater, Goff, Wentz or Lynch? As far as this list is concerned, one I didn't make by the way, the only one I have really ever elevated to a fairly high level was Teddy Bridgewater, whom I had in the top ten...but take it with a grain of salt because I also had Manziel in the top ten that year. I was, to the bitter end, against Goff, Wentz and Lynch as a first round prospect. I am, in fact, in the same frame of mind on several QBs in this class. I, in fact, would not be against them using the #33 pick (although I would prefer #51) on any of the following(in no particular order): Deshone Kizer Deshaun Watson Mitch Trubisky Pat Mahomes Davis Webb AGAIN, I am in fact, getting blue in the face repeating myself, I am not against attempting to improve the QB position on this team...I am VERY MUCH IN FAVOR of doing so...but I don't see any prospect, including Garoppolo worth passing on one of these talented prospects at #12 overall, let alone #1... Then what did you mean by this: Although I don't LITERALLY think the world would end, this statement tells me you are not opposed to them using the #12 overall pick on a trade for Garoppolo. I understand you clear your thought process up at the end stating you would rather them use the #33 or #52, but it is still a little murky that you would think that #12 is over spending on a guy who was passed up 61 times before the Patriots took him...So, over the course of 3 years, he has started 2 games, getting hurt before the second half of that second one, and you are trying to sell me on the fact he has improved his draft stock by 50 draft slots? Simply because he is sitting behind Tom Brady? Here's the thing, you hearing the talking heads tell you he is the best option at QB has you convinced he is an improvement over Kessler..I don't know that he isn't, I am not saying he isn't...my point is, no one knows that he IS. No one has spent that type of "currency" on him in the past, so why all of a sudden would he be worth that now? The only fact we know is he had an injury after 6 quarters of starting football? An injury, mind you, to his throwing shoulder. That , to this ignorant novice, downgrades his value to at the very least...NOT a first round draft pick in compensation. I would go as far as to also "guess" they would be very hard pressed to get a contract extension done prior to a trade being executed. Then his value really drops in my opinion. You are in a no win situation if you trade a first round pick for a guy that will need a contract negotiated within 365 days until he becomes a UFA. I'm not paying more than our 4th rounder for a guy with one year left on his contract...Which ironically is about the price we paid for a PROVEN Jamie Collins.
I actually think you're right on here, Lyman. Garoppolo is from Illinois, played at Eastern Illinois and the GM of the Bears, one Ryan Pace, is a graduate of... you guessed it: Eastern Illinois. Plus, saves us from making that colossal mistake.
