So if you could combine them, you'd have Hue's ideal prospect. Challenges defense down field, but is deadly accurate, and also can stand strong in the pocket. DeMitchan Petzersky Sounds like a hockey player.
Okay, I'm back. As I have stated (on more than occasion) I truly do not believe ANY of these QB's are worthy of being drafted in the 1st round. I might be swayed to one of them being drafted in the bottom half of the 1st round. Given that . . . it is ludicrous to TRADE UP and draft one within the top ten. Desperate teams do desperate things when drafting a "perceived" franchise quarterback. I shouldn't have to list the losers that the just the Browns have traded up for in the past few years as evidence. Good teams let the draft come to them and draft the best talent available at any given pick. Irish, I know you're high on Deshone Kiser and I don't believe for a second it's because he played at Notre Dame. You have way too much integrity to be like that. Because of that, I went back and looked at film on him again. You keep going back to his 2015 season, but the fact remains 2016 did happen. Yes, Notre Dame uses a pro-style offense and yes, for the most part he is a drop back pocket passer. But what I noticed is this, when rolling out (either by design or because he was forced out of the pocket) he appears to abandon the throw down field too quickly and takes off running much like RGIII did. That may work against Army or Navy, but it will get him killed in the NFL. We will simply have to agree to disagree on this.
EDIT: Update picks with team names, just in case. [notify]Lyman[/notify]... 1. CLE: Myles Garrett 2. SF: Solomon Thomas 3. CHI: Jamal Adams 4. JAX: Leonard Fournette 5. TEN: Marshon Lattimore 6. NYJ: Malik Hooker 7. LAC: Corey Davis 8. CAR: Reuben Foster 9. CIN: Jonathan Allen 10. BUF: O.J. Howard 11. NO: Derek Barnett 12. CLE: ... Sashi called, no takers on the pick - even at a huge discount. Clock at 9:30. Gotta put the call in to Philadelphia. Who are the Browns (you) taking?
FOUL *REF* At least two of the teams from pick 2 to 11 are desperate enough to pick a QB from this motley litter. That means two of the players listed as gone are, in fact, available at 12.
Interesting. I agree with the Kiser assessment completely, but I disagree on the notion that it's ludicrous for a team that has no franchise QB, to trade up for one. As a GM, If you truly believe that you have done your homework and you are looking at a true franchise NFL QB, you certainly don't just sit back and let another QB starved team take him, especially if you have the assets that the Browns have...It all depends on where you value the individual, but if you are needy of a QB in the NFL, you really need to do whatever is necessary to get one if you feel one is there to be had. I truly believe a real QB has a profound effect on the entire teams' play. Linebackers, Corners, DE's, they all play better when they see "winning" as realistic or dare I say, probable....... Without a franchise QB, well, we all know how that goes. The surest way to instantly improve the entire team across the board, get a real QB...Just my take. EDIT: That said, if you are not certain that the prospect has what it takes, then you certainly don't gamble on a trade up for him...As the decision maker of the franchise, you need to be sure...Obviously, Cleveland's track record sucks, but ya just can't let that factor in. Those were past regimes...
[notify]top dawg[/notify] I agree IF there is truely a "franchise quarterback" available and you need one, you do everything you can to get him. That would include trading up. My whole point this entire off season is I do not believe ANY of these guys (especially Watson and Kiser) are 1st round material much less "franchise quarterbacks" I could be persuaded to trade back up into the bottom of the 1st round for Trubisky. But, even then, it would largely be to get that 5th year option on his contract because I think he will need that extra year to develop and then demonstrate he is worth keeping.
If ANYONE felt there was a "possibility" of a future franchise QB in this draft, we wouldn't be talking about Myles Garrett, immortalizing him as a generational player...we would be discussing if the Browns would have that QB signed prior to draft day...or the Mega trade offers being thrown their way to move into #1 to take him for their own team... There is a reason none of that is happening. If you have a guy you are willing to trade #12 and two second round picks to move ahead of someone else to get, you don't mess around, you take him with the pick that is already ahead of everyone else...That guy doesn't exist in this draft. They all have their own special traits that make them worth developing at #33, but there are too many other players with much more potential to get cute and trade away future assets in the hopes you choose the one that might develop some day.
LOL - C'mon, man! It's a hypothetical. There does exist some reality where no QB is taken before the Browns' second pick. I'll give you one... 11. NO: [del]Derek Barnett[/del] Watson/Trubisky How about that?
The universe doesn't exist where the Jets don't take a quarterback. And I will be amazed if the Bears pass on one, as well. These are two franchises that just might be more phuqued up than the Browns.
Or their GMs talk themselves out of it by signing: Bears: Mike Glennon, (paying him $14M/$16M/$15M over the next 3 years, $18.5M guranteed) It doesn't sound like he is going to be set aside for a #6 over all draft pick and we all know John Fox, in his 3rd year, is on his last leg, he needs a win sooner than later and he took that leap with "veteran" Glennon. I'm not convinced they will take a QB for the next coaching staff to try and win with. Jets: Josh McCown to mentor Hackenberg and Petty..however, I do agree, this is where the first QB goes off the board. At the end of the day, we don't see behind the curtain. Every team wants to sit their young QB, that may just be what this coaching staff did...sit him and he might be making more progress than we all know...but I doubt it...
:-/ Fine. 1. CLE: Myles Garrett 2. SF: Solomon Thomas 3. CHI: Jamal Adams 4. JAX: Leonard Fournette 5. TEN: Marshon Lattimore 6. NYJ: [del]Malik Hooker[/del] Deshaun Watson 7. LAC: [del]Corey Davis[/del] Malik Hooker 8. CAR: [del]Reuben Foster[/del] Corey Davis 9. CIN:[del] Jonathan Allen[/del] Reuben Foster 10. BUF: O.J. Howard 11. NO: [del]Derek Barnett[/del] Jonathan Allen 12. CLE: ... Now pick!
Let's see . . . Derek Barnett is now available (where you already said the Saints would go QB but weaseled out and took Jonathan Allen). My pick? Either Budda Baker or Jabril Peppers.
Actually, smart roster building in today's NFL is centered around the fifth year option for your QB. The smart GM's know the best time to win a championship is on that rookie deal. Afterwards, you're dedicated a ton of money and cap space to the QB position, making it harder to compose an overall more talented roster (see: Seahawks, Seattle). The best move for Cleveland could be to move up a few spots from #33 to get a QB in the first round. But the pickings are going to be extremely slim. Smart teams use the fifth year to their benefit, so you could have some teams that don't have a glaring need there today using it to their advantage to get the next guy up. That's especially true in a situation like we have here - where there's no "the guy" at the position, but a ton of players who, in the right system, can be very good pros. Greg Cosell accurately described it as a "beauty in the eye of the beholder" situation. Arizona (#13), New York (#23), Kansas City (#27), and New Orleans (#32) could all be in that QB market. As a result, an already suspect supply could quickly be outpaced by demand. Especially if the QB-needy teams end up pulling the trigger early.
LOL - Because they really wanted Deshaun Watson. O Besides, that's how the draft works. Allen wasn't available for them before. Maybe he's higher on their board than any QB is. Side Note: I do think that between the injuries and arthritis that Allen could slide a bit on draft day. He's still likely a Top 10 guy (definitely no worse than Top 15), but we've seen injuries really slide players down before (Bowers, Jack, etc.). He was mocked in the Top 3 picks early on and now I would suspect he's somewhere in the #9 - #14 range. Honestly, I think if he drops to #12, the Browns would pass (and Irish's head would explode) since those concerns about his long-term prospects would seem in-congruent with an F/O building a team for the "long haul". Thank you! I actually don't hate either of those picks. I could very easily see Baker being a later first round pick, especially without a lot of consensus on the cornerback rankings after Lattimore. Not in love with Peppers, but I get I might be in the minority there. Some people had him as a pre-season Top 5 pick.
I think some of the problem people have with Peppers are his stats. If I recall, he only had 1 interception at TSUN? However, there is no doubt he is a tremendous athlete evidenced by how many different positions he played. I might go so far as to say, if he is allowed to concentrate on one position, he could end up as one of the top players at that position. Add to that . . . If he is on your roster, you automatically have a legitimate threat in the return game.
And that was a tipped pass from JT Barrett in Peppers' final collegiate game. He has only 10 career PBUs and no forced fumbles. The return game is an interesting dynamic, especially since it's such a huge need. That said, do you take a Josh Cribbs (3-time Pro Bowler, yes sir, baby) at #12 overall, because there are legitimate doubts he can produce at a position at a high level. I get what you're saying about defining his position, but isn't everyone suggesting he play the hybrid role at the next level? That's not exactly a defined role. I've seen some scouts say he would make a better offensive player (running back) than defender.
First, I would never spend a 1st round pick on a strictly return guy. There are simply too many good athletes that can help your team as a positional player - plus - contribute even more as a returner. (Confession: I really don't know what the requirement differences are between a kick returner and punt returner.) As far as Gregg Williams' "hybrid role" . . . the way I understand it, Williams considers it one single position that has multiple responsibilities depending on the situation at the time. This guy would line the same every play and then, pre-snap, move to where ever he can best meet those responsibilities. Much like Troy Polomulolulolull (or however you spell his last name).
Yep, Williams took what Seattle was doing in 98(?) under Erickson and McMackin and retooled it. Williams made Barron the focal point in Los Angeles and that type of player is ideal for the role, which is why I tend to agree with the idea of Jabrill Peppers fitting into that slot. It's still essentially a linebacker but he needs to have the coverage skills of a safety.
