2017 NFL Draft | Quarterbacks

Discussion in 'Cleveland Browns' started by SAS, Jan 26, 2017.

  1. Underdog Franchise Player Patriots

    And I sense goal post moving imist be your thing. I'm out. Good luck with Kessler.
     
  2. SAS M.V.P. Rams Chargers

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  3. SAS M.V.P. Rams Chargers

    I don't know why, but I'm starting to feel more and more like we're going to be drafting this guy...

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    Here's what PFF.com (basically, the site that confirms all the Browns' bias today) had to say about Watson:

    What he does best:
    • Smooth, efficient delivery.[/*]
    • Throws a very catchable ball.[/*]
    • Displays a complete inventory of passes with zip, firm with touch. Changes the pace of the ball well when needed.[/*]
    • Extremely athletic with the ability to escape when things break down. Good initial burst.[/*]
    • True timing/rhythm passer, heavily reliant on pre-snap reads.[/*]
    • Throws cover-3 and cover-2 seams very well.[/*]
    • Best ?glance? route thrower in the class.[/*]
    • Anticipates well on timing routes outside the numbers.[/*]
    • Flashes good go-ball touch. Good feel for back-shoulder throws to big-bodied receivers.[/*]
    • Delivers in big moments. Confident player.[/*]

    Biggest Concerns:
    • Limited instincts/feel in the pocket.[/*]
    • Does not react smoothly when initial read is not there.[/*]
    • Lacks consistent pocket poise, drops eyes down for a running lane instead of creating within the pocket.[/*]
    • Played in an offense where the field was cut in half with simple reads.[/*]
    • Field looks small to him; limited vision to get through progressions.[/*]
    • Relatively slow post-snap processing speed.[/*]
    • More interested in taking a yes/no go-ball on the outside than reading out the concept of the play.[/*]
    • Overall not as accurate as he should be considering his style of play. Inaccurate on many easy throws in the short passing game.[/*]
    • Played with elite playmakers around him, will have to learn how to function without big-play receivers on the outside.[/*]

    Bottom line:

    Watson is as tough of a prospect to evaluate as there is coming out of college. While he shows flashes with his arm, he is wildly inconsistent and lacks the key traits (pocket instincts/poise and field vision). He will need to play in an offense specifically built around him with a quarterback run game and pass-game scheme creativity. There will be games when the coverage structures will be simple and the route concepts will match up with the route combinations, and he will have success. Then there will be games where the defensive movement will give him problems or the pass rush will force him to move within the pocket and get through progressions, and he will struggle mightily. Watson is not a pure progression passer, with his limited pocket feel and vision, and whenever that?s the case, there will be a huge risk involved when hoping to land a franchise quarterback. The former Clemson quarterback?s work ethic and intangibles will make him an attractive option, but there will be some risk involved.
     
  4. SAS M.V.P. Rams Chargers

    And here...

    [twitter=https://twitter.com/BernieKosarQB/status/836558925608669186][/twitter]
     
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  6. Lyman "Franchise Asshole" Browns Buckeyes

    Where does Jaworski say that the QB has to be "elete" or a "franchise QB"? He doesn't.

    He simply says the QB has to be consistent. I don't believe having 5 starting QB's in one season qualifies as "consistent".
     
  7. IrishDawg42 Legend Manager Browns Buckeyes Fighting Irish


    LOL, I would click on the link, but I was blocked from Tony Grossi about 7 years ago. He was going on one of his Browns rants on Twitter and I tweeted him back that I couldn't handle his negativity any more and was un-following him...next thing I knew he blocked me and I have been blocked ever since.
     
  8. SAS M.V.P. Rams Chargers

    Umm...

     
  9. SAS M.V.P. Rams Chargers

    Just a Tweet from Grossi about the Browns needing to trade for Jimmy Garoppolo and the very wise Bernie Kosar adding his two cents.
     
  10. TopDawg Legend

    (slurring) "Come to think of it, I will have another! Make it a double!".... - Bernie Kosar
     
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  12. igloofn68 Guest

    I am starting to hear more about QB Patrick Mahomes out of Texas Tech. He seems to be moving up. The Red Raiders played a spread offense which seems to be where the game is headed plus the big kid can run if necessary. Strong arm, big body and can move. I would think a team might take a chance on him in the 2nd or 3rd round if he has a good combine. Hopefully, the Steelers grab him in the 3rd round if he's still there.......
     
  13. IrishDawg42 Legend Manager Browns Buckeyes Fighting Irish

    He's not making it to the Steelers 2nd round pick. If they want him, they will need to take him in the 1st...if he's still there at that point.
     
  14. SAS M.V.P. Rams Chargers

    Truth.

    I saw someone mock him to the Browns at #12 overall. He's been compared to Brett Favre a number of times.

    [twitter=https://twitter.com/PatKirwanRFN/status/836551886211792896][/twitter]

    I think the Browns will (and should) pass on him, but if he's still on the board at #33, we could find a way to turn that into future draft gold.
     
  15. Lyman "Franchise Asshole" Browns Buckeyes

    I probably wouldn't object to spending #33 on Mahomes. That'said a helluva lot better than #12 on any of the other three.
     
  16. SAS M.V.P. Rams Chargers

    It's an intriguing thought.

    I can't say I'm 100% convinced that Hue Jackson and David Lee are the type of "QB whisperers" who can develop him to play from the pocket at the next level, and I think the desire to play him (or the need, if 2016 replays itself) early would definitely set him back.

    I also agree with Irish and think that he's likely gone at the bottom of Round 1.
     
  17. IrishDawg42 Legend Manager Browns Buckeyes Fighting Irish

    Maybe the Browns trade up from #33 to...#22 and draft him :lol:
     
  18. TopDawg Legend

    Personally, I think Mahomes is popular here for one main reason, far more than any other....Weary Browns fans think it's a way to possibly find a QB, without spending a first round pick....That's it. That's why Mahomes gets the love here. The other three get blasted mostly because they are presumed to be more expensive...With thoughts of Couch, Quinn, Weeden and Johnny, still fresh in mind, the notion of spending a first rounder on another QB is quickly dismissed...and now suddenly, Mahomes is the next Brett Favre. *DONT_KNOW*
     
  19. TopDawg Legend

    Football fans and mock drafters do not like spending picks on quarterbacks...That is an undeniable fact. So none of this is surprising really... I guess it's fear of the unknown. Plus, nobody likes the growing pains that are endured in developing a QB. It's easily the most difficult position to assess, and therefore it comes with the most risk...That said. Where are the teams that don't have a franchise QB? Spinning their tires in a world of complete irrelevance....
     
  20. Lyman "Franchise Asshole" Browns Buckeyes

    Thank You, Dr. Sigmund Top Dawg. I feel so much better now.
     

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