Off the top of my head, the same could be said for Drew Brees and Russell Wilson, right?....And the Kessler=Garoppolo thing doesn't make much sense to me either, honestly...I think a better comparison to JG would be Romo, but it's just a comp. and we get carried away with comps around here...JG is JG. There is only one... How do we know he's not the next great QB that's been honing his craft for a few years on the sidelines, like Aaron Rogers? We don't. We haven't seen enough. ..But what we did see in that very small sample size was impressive. He was calm and confident and throwing darts all over the field. He completed 70% with a 114.0 QB rating....
You can craft the wording any way you want, and I would still pick option 1 every day of the week over option 2.
Well, if Tyrod Taylor is the plan we will know soon....I would take Garoppolo all day over Tyrod, but I know we have a coach with ties to him so it's a possibility. Sadly, the same could be said for AJ McCarron.... Take Trubisky or go get JG......That's where I'm leaning.
What did you see in one-and-a-half games that makes you confident that Garoppolo is the long-term answer at QB for the Browns? What makes that different from the offseason, pre-season, training camp, and daily practices his current team sees him in and has determined he's not the long-term answer at QB for them?
Everyone missed on Wilson, obviously. If he were 6'4", he'd have been the #1 overall pick his year over Andrew Luck. I believe Gil Brandt even said that. What separates Wilson from Garoppolo is that Wilson is a mobile, sturdy QB with an elite arm. Brees was a Top 32 pick, despite measuring at 6'0" and Brees did suffer through injuries early in his career, to the point where only two down-trodden franchises were the only ones interested in his services. Since signing in the right situation, he's posting Maddden-like numbers season in and out, but only has one Super Bowl and that was eight seasons ago. Both Jimmy and Cody are not checking the physical boxes for a quarterback but both are more cerebral throwers who rely on their accuracy as passers and making smart decisions. Romo is a great comp, too, for these same reasons. We don't... but the Patriots might. Despite some of the narratives, New England could easily keep him and Brady on the team for another contract. They're something like $66M under the cap and just won a Super Bowl, so they don't really have a glaring need to address. In fact, in an article I posted a while back, it could be argued the biggest need for New England is Tom Brady's heir. If they believed in Garoppolo enough (and they've had more time with him than anyone else talking about this), they'd retain him. Throwing six yard passes to a Super Bowl winning roster. I know. I remember Matt Cassel looking pretty sharp, too.
Oh man, that's right! I got hosed in my first two fantasy football games this season because he was a scratch.
1) Pats already have their long-term QB. They're not out there actively looking to dump JG, but he's a FA after next year either way so it would certainly behoove them to see if they can extract more value out of him than his current value of 2017 backup QB + 2019 3rd round comp pick. Particularly where it would help them recoup some of the draft value they loss to the Deflategate punishment. 2) They have a lot of cap space but they do have a number of contracts to address (e.g., Hightower, Butler, etc.) and BB has stated in the past that he prefers to have his #2 QB on his rookie contract because it's too much money to tie up in one position that only one of them can be on the field at a time. 3) Cassel was running a simpler version of the offense and had Moss and Welker to bail him out. They barely even let Cassel throw the ball the first 8 weeks he was starting, and he never ran the full offense like JG did. You've obviously made up your mind on JG, and I'm not saying he is Canton-bound or anything, and I can certainly agree that he's probably not going to be as good outside of the Pats system as in it, but I will reiterate having watched every snap both of them have played running McDaniels' offense as the starter that I'm very confident he's significantly better than Matt Cassel. edit - The injury thing is certainly a legitimate concern, but OTOH maybe give him some benefit of the doubt that he'll learn from that mistake and not put himself in position to get pile-driven onto his throwing shoulder the next time?
I haven't seen anything that says he ISN'T. Forgive me. I was not aware that the Patriots shared their long term roster plan with you.
If they are shopping him for a draft pick, then they obviously don't think he is a long-term quarterback option. Brady is old, he could go at any given time.
Assuming your take is correct (and I don't believe it is) . . . The entire free world knows that Brady will outlive Jimmy's next contract and that his next contract will not be for backup money. Plain and simple . . . He is an asset that can be converted into another, more useful asset. Classic Bellichick. Along those lines, IF Tyrod Taylor is a viable long-term solution, then why would Buffalo not want to keep him there? (He is signed through 2021 with a team escape clause that could be enacted now). What's the difference other than Taylor is already the Bills starter?
True, and Cassell was also better than anybody we have. lol! Look it's not fair to compare JG to other Brady back-ups. Other than the fact that they were teammates with Brady, there are no other similarities...Each is his own individual. And lets not forget this nugget from Josh McCown; Seen by many around the league as a coach in the making, McCown swatted down the idea that Garoppolo is simply the latest Brady understudy to be overvalued by teams desperate for a consistent starter. He sees no comparison with Matt Cassel, who netted a second-round pick from the Chiefs in 2009. "When you turn on the tape, one has an elite skill set and one doesn't," McCown said. "I like Matt and he's a pro quarterback, but Jimmy has a chance to be elite." Then he added: "I saw some things in Derek Carr early on in the 2014 draft that reminded me of Aaron Rodgers and I thought 'this guy is going to be pretty good,'" McCown said. "I see the same things when I watch Jimmy: quick release, strong arm, athletic. I'm not saying he's Aaron Rodgers, but he's got some traits in the same mold, and he's got tremendous upside."
We already saw two greats this decade tailspin into abysmal numbers when their ends came (Favre, 2010 and Manning 2015). Here's a second-to-last and last season comparison for both guys. Farve: 363 of 531 (68.4%), 4,202 yards (7.9 YPA), 33 TDs, 7 INTs, 107.2 QB rating (12-4 as a starter) Farve: 217 of 358 (60.6%), 2,509 yards (7.0 YPA), 11 TDs, 19 INTs, 69.9 QB rating (5-8 as a starter) Manning: 395 of 597 (66.2%), 4,727 yards (7.9 YPA), 39 TDs, 15 INTs, 101.5 QB rating (12-4 as a starter) Manning: 198 of 331 (59.8%), 2,249 yards (6.8 YPA), 9 TDs, 17 INTs, 67.9 QB rating (7-2 as a starter) In both cases, neither made it through a full 16 games. When Brady (40), who's right between these two in terms of age when they collapsed does the same, it's going to be quick. They're also in a very unique position in that they won a Super Bowl and aren't set to lose a ton of talent. Brady, who's been taking well under-market on contracts for years, and Garoppolo share an agent, so it's not a stretch to think they couldn't keep him at a blended rate (somewhere between back-up and starter). Lastly, they still have an option of tagging him in 2017 and trading him away then. They're capitalizing on a weak rookie class and poor free agent lineup (bravo, to them, BTW) and trying to deal a back-up who's had almost no exposure for what is rumored to be a very high first round draft pick. Cassel's first two games: 29 of 41 (70.7%), 317 yards (8.4 YPA), 1 TD, 0 INTs, and a 101.4 QB rating. Garoppolo's first two games: 42 of 59 (71.1%), 496 yards (7.7 YPA), 4 TDs, 0 INTs, and a 119.0 QB rating. I don't think anyone anywhere ever said that Cassel was worth a first round pick. And unlike Garoppolo (man, I'm getting tired of typing that name), Cassel actually showed a full season worth of tape where he didn't get injured after only six quarters. I would hope so, since Cody Kessler has a better QB rating (92.3) than Cassel (79.2) and Charlie Freaking Whitehurst came close in his one game for Cleveland this year (78.8). Isn't he some savvy QB apprentice that's spent the last three seasons learning from one of the best? I say the same thing about Cody Kessler.
Whatever happened to AFC North QB's need to be big, like Blake Bortles, and put up at least 6'5" and 240? Oh yeah, we go way back. Doing their due diligence and shopping him right now, trying to take advantage of blood in the water (e.g., bad teams in need of QBs, a bad incoming crop of rookies, and a bad free agent pool) and seeing what they could get? Fine. Trading away a second round pick back-up when Brady is 40 and could go at any minute? That is pretty much an admission that they don't think Garoppolo is the long-term answer. Peyton Manning didn't look like he was slowing down in 2014 when he set every NFL record or even 2015 when he still passed for a ton of yards and scores.
Why does everyone believe Tom Brady can play until his mid-40s? Farve was the only QB to play well at 40 and it fell off at 41. The Patriots don't have to re-negotiate a deal with Jimmy G. until 2018 when he's actually a free agent. That gives them one more year to evaluate Brady's physical well-being. For starters, completely different franchises. One is the model of stability, the other just recently employed two Ryan brothers. They're run by a GM in Doug Whaley who benched Taylor and refused to discuss it. It's very well-known that Taylor was the object of Rex Ryan's affection while Whaley preferred E.J. Manuel (let that sink in) and that it was Whaley, not Ryan who survived the ax this offseason. Buffalo also lost - to our gain - a coach responsible for Taylor becoming a Pro Bowler in David Lee. So you've got the incumbent GM who doesn't appear to be a fan, a new HC and OC who haven't worked with him and who may prefer their own guys. All this is compounded by the fact that they have a decision to make soon on picking up his deal, so they're having to make decisions in a narrow window of time and Taylor just recently was declared healthy by the medical staff.
Maybe I don't want Josh to come back and coach, then... His opinion is well and good, sure. What are his thoughts on Deshaun Watson? Tyrod Taylor? Mitch Trubisky?
He didn't really say, but he was clear about the direction he thinks we should go... While McCown?s time with the Browns has been marked with injuries and losing, he said that he?s ?sad about leaving just because once you?re there and you?re part of the community you want to see that team succeed.? That success probably won?t come until the Browns find themselves a franchise quarterback and McCown knows that releasing him gives them a spot to use in that pursuit. ?You need to take as many stabs at this as you can,? McCown said, via Cleveland.com. ?That?s why I wasn?t as bummed out as I could?ve been when they released me. They need the roster spots to get this right and they?re committed to it.? If they fill the spot with a trade for Patriots quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo, McCown would be a fan. He said he believes Garoppolo can ?carry a franchise? and has ?some traits in the same mold? as Aaron Rodgers that have been boosted by years of playing with Tom Brady. He didn?t go so far as to say that the Browns should give up the first overall pick, but he definitely put himself in the Garoppolo camp on his way out of Cleveland.
You have your YPA numbers reversed. So you're saying they asked JG to throw more than they did Cassel, and he did so more effectively. Thanks for proving my point. And with all that tape to look at, the only two teams that were interested in him were the one whose GM drafted Cassel and the one whose new HC had been his OC in NE, and neither of them would give up a 1st rounder. Yet now we're hearing reports of multiple teams with no NE connection wanting to make a run at JG. Strange, no? I guess if your expectation is that a young player should be able to go from the meeting room to the field on Sunday as a finished product and shouldn't ever need to learn anything from actual game action, you're probably going to be pretty disappointed in whomever your next QB is.
For starters, I've yet to see a point from you. Second, Cassel threw it 516 times in relief of Brady. Garoppolo's 16-game projection would have been 472 times. Pretty sure 516 > 472. And the fact that both completed a high percentage of their throws and posted very high QB ratings shows they were both effective in the New England system. We don't know what Garoppolo will look like outside that system, but every other QB has been a tire fire. Not really. No major roster moves between now and March 9th so there's a lot of speculation for sports writers to capitalize on. Never said that - I'm sensing comprehension is a major struggle of yours?
