In your opinion...I don't see it from film or his attitude. I see him underachieving on a large scale at the next level.
Yes but stating quite frankly he is an unbelievable steal is an abnormally strong opinion, don't you think?
You aren't alone..I've seen others that share your opinion...The WRs are all over the place in evaluations this year.
No one denies that. But the same concerns in November with Treadwell -- whether or not he could produce separation at the NFL level -- have not been eased by an official time of 4.63s in the 40-yard dash and equally slow times at his pro day. Actually, Marshall ran an official 4.52s 40-yard at the Combine and was drafted in the fourth round. Not Top 15 overall. An official time of 4.52s and drafted #24 overall. Gotta echo showstopper... if Corey Coleman is the fifth guy off the board and it happens to be at #32 overall, we might have just gotten the best WR in this draft. I can't say "never" because Ted Ginn Jr. was a Top 10 pick, but if Fuller is the first WR off the board, some team over-reached by about 60 spots. In this case, I believe the author and the source.
Actually those times WERE his pro day, he didn't run at the combine. I think he knew what his times were going to be, I don't think anyone was really surprised but the 4.63. The points on the others were it is very possible to run a 4.6+ 40 and still be extremely good in the NFL. Their "official time" is one thing, but they also ran those slower times. So who is to say which "40 time" is used when they are actually lining up across from a defensive back? The simple answer is Neither, you can throw that out the window once the game clock starts. No one gets in a sprinter position to run their routes in the NFL. That 4.3 40 guy might take longer to get out of his breaks than Treadwell at 4.63. It is an indicator of straight line speed, but Treadwell will not be asked to run straight line down the sidelines to beat CBs...he is a power possession receiver, and by far the best one in this draft. The last point isn't WHERE they were drafted...knowing what we know now, would they still be drafted in the same spots? _______________________________________________________________________________ As for the rest, to each their own on evaluations...If you think that Will Fuller is the 70th ranked player in this draft though, I will definitely re-think ever giving you a credible read in the future...
I know Browns fans want to see this team draft some WR's, but this really isn't a great year for that...I'd consider Doctson at #32, but I'm not crazy about either of the Ohio State WR's there, nor Fuller....In fact, it wouldn't surprise me a bit if my guy Pharoh Cooper out produced them all. I think he's the diamond in the rough...Great football player that isn't getting mentioned with the others because South Carolina was a train wreck at QB.... Pharoh Cooper (WR) HT: 5'11" WT: 203LBS. POSITION: WR SCHOOL: South Carolina ARM LENGTH: 32 1/4" HANDS: 9 1/8" Overview Many college football players are lacking in discipline, driving their coaches crazy. Cooper does not have that problem, as he grew up in a military family -- his grandfather and father were Marines, and his brother is a Marine. After winning back-to-back state high school titles in North Carolina, Cooper used his maturity to get on the field right away for the Gamecocks, receiving Freshman All-SEC honors as an all-purpose back and returner (359 kick return yards). Once given a chance to receive regular touches on offense, Cooper excelled, garnering consensus first team all-conference recognition as a receiver in 2014 (69-1,136, 11 TD) and second team honors as an all-purpose back (200 rushing yards, two scores). His production dipped a bit in 2015 (66-973, nine TD), but South Carolina's offense struggled in many ways this season. SEC coaches still named him first team all-conference receiver and all-purpose player for his efforts. Compact and strong. Especially fast with first three steps off the line. Reaches top speed almost instantly. Should blaze his 10-yard split at combine. Operates with excellent balance and body control at all times. Staccato footwork and seamless change of direction out of breaks opens early passing window. Will break off route and improvise to free space when route is compromised by coverage underneath it. Competitiveness ramps as soon as he hits the grass. Has burst to steam past safety if cornerback takes bad angle on his slants. Strength to play through contact in his routes. Stutter-go release near goal line is difficult to stop. COMPARES TO: Randall Cobb, Green Bay Packers - Like Cobb at Kentucky, Cooper was a do-everything weapon for the Gamecocks who can create with the ball in his hands, taking direct snaps or playing on the outside. IN OUR VIEW: Cooper is an electric athlete in the open field with light feet and creative moves to easily redirect his momentum without slowing down. And those change of direction skills allow him to separate in his routes with the speed and vision to eliminate pursuit angles. Cooper lacks ideal size and strength, but can impact the game in several ways on offense and special teams, which boosts his NFL value.
I didn't go that deep with Cooper..I also like Sterling Sheppard and Charone Peake, but there's a chance none of those guys will be there for us in the 3rd rd...If I was gonna dig a little deeper, I'd say maybe Kenny Lawler or DeMarcus Robinson. Though with DR you've got to get a babysitter, so he's probably out of the question....It's too bad. Hopefully someday soon these guys can build a strong enough locker room, that we don't have to just eliminate any player that's had an off field issue....Young guys make mistakes. Some have the ability to learn and grow up...Assessing the value is the tricky part... We probably should have taken a chance on Dorial Green-Beckham last year when we had multiple chances. I know the risk factor, but at some point the talent becomes worth the risk... I think he's going to be big time this year, and haven't heard any bad news about him off the field either, which is the only reason he wasn't a top 20 pick to begin with....If they could manage to get there collective acts together, imagine the potential in having a duo of Gordon and Green-Beckham on the outside? Oh what could've been......
We only had two shots at DGB, either at #12 or #19... I know you are ALL down on him, but I do believe we have Mack's replacement in house already, with one pro year under his belt. Now he can focus in on one single position and I believe he will look like a different player. Either way, DGB that early was a big risk considering our #1 receiver was found out the week of the draft to be lost to a year long suspension for similar worries on DGB.
Irish, I'm not sure where the random line about everybody being down on Erving comes into play here?? For the record though, he was awful last year...What reason does anybody have to be "up" on him? As far as first round OL prospects go, I've never seen one that played any worse than Erving....I'm hoping the move to center settles him down, believe me..... And I know Cleveland couldn't risk on DGB last year. That's why I said hopefully someday we have a strong enough locker room that we don't have to automatically rule out the character concerns regardless of how far they fall.... I was dreaming of what could've been....
I?m not necessarily a fan of Shepard especially as a second round selection. I see him as more of a slot guy rather than a #2 guy working the outside. I?m of the opinion that the Browns need a bigger more physical player to play either #1 or #2. Not sure why Herr Goodall is dragging his feet on the Josh Gordon decision. I like Peake better, but I think his injury history is a concern, and that has him falling in multiple mocks that I?ve seen. Though I think if the Browns can snag him in the 4th or 5th round he may be a steal. Ok, I can?t argue that Erving looked horrible last season. In that respect though I think that the previous coaching staff and FO personnel led to that. After giving their OL coach his pink slip they DID not seek to replace him and that showed throughout the entire season. Erving never played at guard and likely had no clue as to how to efficiently play the position. Putting Erving and Sheldon side by side on special teams led to several blocked kicks as well. That I put on the coaching staff. I think Erving will show improvement at either Center or RT, where he has previous experience. It remains to be seen where Hal Hunter thinks he can improve the O-line best.
OK, I think we can all agree that the WR position was "considered" by the Browns in the 2016 NFL draft, lol... *DANCE* What did we come away with? Round 1 (15): Corey Coleman, WR, Baylor, well the majority in here got what they wished for, now I am hoping and praying you were all correct. I also hope he gets a new found attitude about plays that don't have a first read effect on him. That is what scared me away in the first place. There is no room for a "me first" attitude in this locker room. We don't have a 10 year veteran QB to look him down and tell him to get in line with the program, he needs to do it on his own. Round 4 (114): Ricardo Louis, WR, Auburn 6'2" 215 lbs, 4.43 40 time. He is the prototypical Hue Jackson size receiver/speed combo receiver. Watching his film he actually reminds me of a faster Michael Thomas. His production at Auburn his Senior Year was actually similar to Thomas as well, except for TDs. Difference in 2nd round and 4th round is apparently, 3 TD vs. 9 TD. I actually feel better about this pick after studying him more. Round 4 (138): Seth DeValve, WR, Princeton at 6'3" 248, They have already moved him to TE in the NFL. This one is still a little surprising to me. What is the brain trust doing drafting a guy with a birth defect that has limited him the past two years" IF they can get that corrected, he does look like a nice prospect, but to have a guy on your roster who has essentially lost 60% of each of his past two seasons to this is a head scratcher. Round 5 (154): Jordan Payton, WR, UCLA, 6'1" 207 4.47 40. Love this pick! Increased his production each of his last 3 years of college and again has the size/speed combination this team was lacking. I see him as a possession receiver in the NFL. Should find pockets underneath with Coleman and Louis spreading the defense. Round 5 (172): Rashard Higgins, WR, Colorado State 6'1" 196, 4.64 40 production, production and more production..that's all I have to say about Higgins. I'm not sure he can change his style of play a tad in the NFL, his lack of speed will certainly hurt him, but this team already drafted speed. This pick was made based on the current roster and honestly, I think his skill set is comparable to Brian Hartline. He could have similar production at the next level as soon as he realizes what he is as a player and settles into a role. Honestly, I could easily see all 4 of these WRs making the opening day roster. I could see a new era of production from the Browns offense with RGIII's arm being capable of utilizing the speed that Coleman and Louis brings. That will open up a lot of underneath routes, similar to what Benjamin did last year. 2016 prediction of the WR corps: Starters: X Corey Coleman Z Ricardo Lewis Y Andrew Hawkins Backups Z Josh Gordon (yes, I think he will be re-instated and no, I don't think the team will immediately insert him in the lineup. I do think he will earn starts later in the season), Rashard Higgins X Ricardo Lewis, Jordan Peyton Y Taylor Gabriel So that puts us at 7 WRs, Coleman, Louis, Gordon, Payton, Higgins, Gabriel and Hawkins...If they cut down to 6 receivers, it could go two ways...either trade Josh Gordon to the highest bidder(no pun intended), or Gabriel could be the one standing without a chair...moving Payton and Higgins to share in slot backup duty in case of another Hawkins injury. Any way you look at it, it will be a tough road in 2016 with so many new faces, but I think they can make strides so that it will look much better heading into 2017, when the Browns can be expected to look more like a playoff contender.
Corey Coleman is a playmaker Irish...He is a dangerous man, and he plays with confidence and tenacity..,.I love the pick, and wouldn't worry about the veteran QB on the roster keeping him in check....Our projected starting QB is a living legend at Baylor. He won't fall out of line... I'm certain Hue won't tolerate selfishness anyway.... I'm okay with the Ricardo Louis pick. It was disappointing at first, mostly because my guy Cooper went just a couple picks later, but clearly the Browns want bigger targets for their QB's, and Louis does fit the bill....I forgot that he was the WR that made that miracle play against Georgia.... I watched the pro-day workout of DeValve on youtube, and he is a beast of an athelete...That's gotta be the most intriguing pick the Browns made in my mind. They may have really found something there....He certainly passes the eye test. Catching radius must be phenominal...
