2016 NFL Draft - The Quarterbacks

Nevermind! lol! I don't want to turn this thread sideways...

your thoughts on Johnny are well documented. It was an attempt at humor

 

Honestly . . . I would be shocked if Billy Football ever sees an NFL field again.

Unlike you, I prefer simply to accept the past for the abortion it was, focus on the here and now and look forward to what might be.



P.S. Refresh your computer. I changed avatars two days ago.

 

Nope...still an ashamed little elf. lol!

Geez, You need a chill pill....My point was simply that the scenario I depicted would be "typical" of Cleveland Browns fortunes.....unlike you, I have a sense of humor about the situation...

lets just drop it and not ruin Irish's QB prospect thread....

 

Okay now it's back to the grumpy old guy....perfect. *THUMBSUP*

 

Wow... lot of negativity around the QB class this year!

I see a lot of guys who, with a bit of seasoning, could be very good QB's at the next level. I'll admit I only see two first round picks, but Goff is one of those and I think he's a top three talent in this draft. Now, I'll also concede that this seems like a somewhat weaker draft class.

In Goff, I see a quarterback who has excellent awareness, can make all the throws with both touch and velocity when needed, has great feet (although footwork needs to improve), and who has improved every year as a player. I wasn't as high on Mariota as some of you guys were, but I would rank Goff higher than last year's No. 2 overall pick because he has more traits that will translate better to the NFL.

Lastly, not that it's a major factor in the decision making, but he's been in the position in college that he'd be put into if he were drafted by the Browns. Starting immediately, he finished with a 1-11 season as the Bears were completely re-building. He was a major part of the turn-around there and has been lauded by his coaches for being such a hard worker.

 

SAS, I hope you are right about Goff. If he's as good as Mariota, I'd feel a lot better about rolling the dice...I admit that I've only seen him play a few times, but he was really good. I haven't seen any of his bad performances. Unfazed by pressure, but has good pocket awareness and good footwork....I like the sound of that.

 

There are very few QB prospects who deserve the No. 1 overall selection, but that doesn't stop the need for a franchise QB from driving up their value.

Rewind a few past drafts and try to find -- in the first round only -- who the best pick was and determine how often it was a QB. The only one who comes to mind in recent memory is Cam Newton.

2015
First Player Taken: Jameis Winston
Best Player: Marcus Peters (18th overall)

2014
First Player Taken: Jadeveon Clowney
First QB Taken: Blake Bortles (3rd overall)
Best Player: Odell Beckham Jr. (12th overall)

2013
First Player Taken: Eric Fisher (bust)
First QB Taken: E.J. Manuel (16th overall)
Best Player: DeAndre Hopkins (27th overall)

2012
First Player Taken: Andrew Luck
Best Player: Luke Kuechly (9th overall)

2011
First Player Taken: Cam Newton
Best Player: Cam Newton, Julio Jones (6th overall), J.J. Watt (11th overall) (three-way tie)
**FUN FACT: 15 of the 32 picks that year have been to a Pro Bowl. The Browns' selection, Phil Taylor, is out of the NFL**

2010
First Player Taken: Sam Bradford
Best Player: Dez Bryant (24th overall)

2009
First Player Taken: Matt Stafford
Best Player: Clay Matthews (26th overall)

... obviously somewhat subjective, but I think it holds up pretty well.

 

My previous post is also not to say we ought to draft a wide receiver or someone else at No. 2. It's to illustrate the nature of the NFL these days and how if you're a team without a franchise QB, you're going to have to spend early picks to get "your guy", in lieu of drafting the best players.

The position is simply too important and you heard our own owner stress that repeatedly in his year-end meeting. "The most important position in all sports".

 

I hope you're right too Sam, I just don't see it. I certainly don't see him as being ahead of where Mariota was last year and I didn't see Mariota as a #2 overall pick...


The one thing Goff has going for him is that this is a weak draft class. I think you can find quality into the early 3rd round, but the difference makers just aren't there.

 

I don't disagree with this at all, my only concern is that there isn't a starter quality QB in this draft, at which point you don't just spend your #2 overall, simply to take what you consider the best project available.

Actually, I've seen 4 games so far, but I want to see more...I am almost ready to move Carson Wentz ahead of the other 3 I have reviewed thus far. Still a project and he certainly doesn't score any points for his level of competition, but he reminds me of someone in the league right now that starts...

 

Carson Wentz is the only other QB in this draft I would put in the first round pick category, probably somewhere in the mid-20s.

Not sure who you're alluding to on the reminding of, but I think the perfect parallel is Joe Flacco. Lanky, small-school guy with a live arm and plenty of upside. Some real negatives though, beyond level of competition. He doesn't really seem to use his eyes well and while the offense (I think) isn't designed to be one- or two-read only, it seems he doesn't get through progressions very well.

I can't in good conscious suggest Wentz be picked in the Top 10 because he needs at least a season sitting behind a vet to catch up to the NFL game.

 

You gave us No. 1:

1. Jacoby Brissett

I'm going to guess...

2. Kevin Hogan
3. Dak Prescott

 

Serious question regardless of who the next drafted QB is;

Allow me to harken back to 1985 when the Browns picked up Gary Danielson to be the week 1 starter and groom Bernie Kosar for the starter's role. That plan worked out pretty good, eh?

Is everyone on here going to piss and moan (again) if Josh McCown is the week 1 starter in 2016 with the intent to groom whomever we draft whenever we draft him to ultimately take that role?

McCown did appear to help improve Manziel's on-field performance over 2014. I can only assume (I know . . . anti-analytics) that he could do the same for someone else.

 

Ideally, analytics won't play any role in that decision. Jared Goff, Conner Cook, or whomever the Browns bring in as a rookie QB may be picked based on analytic assessment, but I hope the decision to start a QB is given to the head coach and his assistants and based on football factors, such as grasping the playbook, understanding the game, etc.

If anything, 2016 is the perfect season to let that happen because the Browns are (probably) going to be worse next year than they were this year. The roster is going to have to be re-built, we're talking about casting off solid starters today (via opt-outs, trades, etc.), and bringing in new coaches and systems.

I'd love to Josh McCown to start most of the season. I'm also realistic and understand that he was injured on his first drive in 2015, so I hope we pick a QB early enough that they are able to start as rookies because they'll probably have to.

 

I agree with Sam...Short of signing a "better" vet, which I absolutely don't see happening, I fully expect McCown to start as many games as he is healthy in 2016. I don't know what the answer to keeping him healthy is, but I believe this season will go as far as his health is..if 2015 is any indicator, then 2016 is going to be a very long year indeed.

 

Nicely done. *THUMBSUP*

I think I mentioned Hogan a couple times before but I was intentionally leaving Prescott out of conversation just to save it for this time of year.

How'd you come with those two and should I check my office for bugs?

 

Couldn't hurt!

Actually, those would be the two I would pick. In fact, I've been pretty high on Hogan through most of my "pre-search" for the draft and will probably mock him to the Browns routinely in the R4-R5 range.

 

I think Hogan will probably see his stock trend upward the most out of this group of quarterbacks.

I see Prescott as a rare combo of skill and physical ability. I would really like to see him end up in a situation where he could get quality guidance and an opportunity to learn behind a strong veteran for a couple seasons.

Looking at Hogan and Prescott, what stands out to you the most?

 

I like Hogan. Smart kid (went to stanford) good size and good arm. He could be had in the 2nd or further rd.

 

Mayb I missed it, but how come nobody has mentioned Brandon Doughty?