2016 NFL Draft - The Quarterbacks

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2008/02/brady_quinn_part_of_rowdy_grou.html

 

I don't think Brady Quinn could beat up his own Johnson.

 

Even with those guns? Muscle for show, not for go?

 

I would imagine he says "bro" A-LOT

 

I've read that the Redskins will franchise Cousins. Seems like an awful lot of money and leverage to give up. What if they didn't? Any interest in here? He certainly knows the offense.

 

I guess that would all depend on the price tag. *DONT_KNOW* I don't see a 20mil/yr type QB in Cousins. He played well, but was one and done in the wild card round. Perhaps in the 12-15mil/yr range I'd consider it. At that price it's would be an upgrade to the position. *HELP*

 

I will laugh when they Franchise him, he balls out and doesn't agree to a contract, gets tagged again, makes a crap ton of money and then falls on his face.

 

@ beach

I'm not now, or have I ever been a fan of acquiring Kirk Cousins. That hasn't changed even with his nice 2015 season.

In fact, his numbers (playing against the feckless NFC East) compare favorably to Dalton's with Jay Gruden as the coordinator (in the dominant AFC North), which leads me to believe it's more a product of a good offensive system than it is the guy running it.

I'll chalk up the fewer INTs and better completion (and by extension, overall rating) by Cousins to inferior competition.

 

Per Hue Jackson and Pep Hamilton, the two biggest considerations for their QB are: accuracy and leadership.

Pep Hamilton recruited Jared Goff extensively when he was a coach at Stanford (Goff ultimately chose Cal due to family tradition).

Hue Jackson's coaching career began at Cal and he's still very close to "several" individuals in the building there.

Pep Hamilton and Hue Jackson will have the loudest voice in the QB discussion, per multiple reports.

Lastly, one could suppose that having a major say in your QB decision, and boasting the No. 2 overall pick in the draft, would be inciting incentives to a would-be head coach.

Get ready for #16:



Oops... this one:

 

"Don't Buy the Hype on Carson Wentz"

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2609709-dont-buy-the-hype-on-rising-small-school-qb-carson-wentz

 

Wentz's stock is going to continue to cool making the decision for the Browns fairly easy.

There's Goff [insert space] then there's Wentz [insert smaller space] then there's Lynch. I'm not convinced contestants 2 and 3 have a shot at the bonus round but they are a lock for the door prize as they will get extended looks over some of the other QBs in this class.

Right now, unless the 49ers or Rams move up, I am expecting Goff to the Browns, Wentz to the Cowboys and Lynch to the Rams (I expect Kelly to pass on Lynch and Bradford to ultimately resign with the Eagles).

 

Tim, just curious, but how is Carson Wentz's stock cooling? He seems to be rising on draft boards. Looks like about half of the mocks have him ahead of Goff now.....He sort of sky rocketed after his championship game, but I haven't seen or heard anything yet that would indicate his stock is dropping.....If anything, I've heard rumors that Cleveland might have him higher on the board right now than Goff. Pure speculation to be sure, but not out of the realm of possibility.

 

Right now seeing the mocks it's easy to have the impression that a players value is right where they are being slotted by analysts, but mocks tend to slide players up and seldom slide the same player back down, especially quarterbacks.

The trend is typically that a player's value skyrockets after the buzz starts for the draft with the Senior Bowl and Shrine game giving coaches a chance to see these players up close. You get a player that has a little upswing in discussion, a coach mentions to a media type that he could see him going higher than so and so and boom, that player is suddenly the flavor of the month. Then after a couple weeks you will see a couple mockers move him up the list then a couple more follow and before you know it the majority are on the bandwagon.

Less than 2 weeks ago there were questions regarding Wentz's ability to transition to the NFL because of technical errors in his game along with his decision making ability when forced to progress through reads. There were a couple former execs that came out with very low grades on him based on film alone (one had him out of the first round completely). These are the kind of questions that are going to continue to come up that are going to buoy his value some. He is always going to be in the conversation for #2 but unless Hue and co. are looking at his tape and not viewing it as an issue he will still be behind Goff on their board by a good enough margin to outweigh the physical attributes that tilt towards Wentz.

Now, Mayock just went on record stating that Wentz has a Andrew Luck type ceiling and Hue Jackson was discussing hand size for quarterbacks so everyone is convinced that he will take Carson over Goff so the hype train will start picking up steam again.

The see-saw will keep on moving back and forth for the next few weeks but he is a lock for the top 10 (I have him going to Dallas at #4) after impressing interviewers and having a good practice week at the Senior bowl.

 

And in the same exact time frame MORE people have come out with "sources within an organization" or "Scouts" or "High Ranking Front Office Guy"...That states, they see Wentz upside to outweigh Goff's.

This time of year, there is no rule of thumb to getting out information...the only thing they want to do is get SOMETHING said that will get clicks to their page. I get it, it's their job. At the end of the day, none of it influences any team in the NFL, except possibly the Bengals, who seem to follow all of the mocks...the highest guy left on the mock sheets is the most likely next Bengal drafted. Might be the smartest team, maybe not...

 

Which is why you have to take into account what a players estimated value was before the circus came to town. The original value is typically based off of on the field performance as compared to competition. The next grades (closer to the end of the college season) come from the potentials involved, for instance measurable traits such as height and weight.

This is normally when everyone goes off the rails a little with what they project a player to become, not what they currently are. That's not to say there is no projection involved with every draft pick, only to say that this time of year players get impossible tags placed on them as they want to garner attention by media types outweigh realistic reporting of facts or common sense.

Then the inevitable leveling off period occurs. That's when a bit clearer of a picture forms, but every team's decision makers see players different so it's all speculation. All we can do is gather information and process it, but just like the teams that are making choices it's all in the eye of the beholder.

 

I have seen Wentz in a decent amount of Mocks going after the Eagles pick, with them passing on a QB altogether or taking Lynch instead. Wentz going #2, or even first 2 QBs was never a certainty.

 

No coaching staff has had a better opportunity to work with Wentz than the Cowboys. If they pass on him at #4 to be Romo's heir apparent, I could see him going to the Eagles or later.

 

Interview with Jared Goff's former offensive coordinator:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...dinator-dispels-myths-regarding-qb-jared-goff

Now, obviously he has a vested interested in seeing Goff drafting high and really talking him up as a player, but there are some good nuggets in here.

Tony Franklin, the offensive coordinator, was also Tim Couch's offensive coordinator - ironically enough.

 

Saw that Goff also measured exactly as he was listed by Cal:

6'4" 215 pounds. 32 3/4" arm with 9" hands.

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/jared-goff?id=2555334

 

And along the same lines, if the Cowboys were selecting at #2 and the Browns at #4 I would still be mocking Wentz to Dallas over Goff.

The situations are dissimilar enough to justify taking a signal caller with what appears to be a longer learning curve but potentially higher ceiling for Dallas.

For Cleveland, getting a well rounded prospect that can step in and contribute within 2 seasons is more of an immediate concern. Even if Goff turns out to be an Alex Smith clone it is infinitely better than what the Browns have been fielding at the position for an extended period of time and it solidifies the most important position on the field. Plus, if Alex Smith had been in a situation that did not have revolving doors on the office of the OC his career arc would be significantly different IMO. That's one of the reasons why taking a player like Goff for Hue to pair with long term makes a good deal of sense.